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Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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Imagine how many pearls he would clutch if someone here said winning with rural voters wasn’t winning the ‘right way’.

The ‘this elitism is how you get Trump’ letters on his keyboard would be worn down into nubs.
And yet here you are clutching pearls for the consultant class. Friends of yours?
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
85,651
50,912
136
And yet here you are clutching pearls for the consultant class. Friends of yours?
Lol, I’m just pointing out your hypocrisy. The ‘right way’ to win is, and always has been, to get the most votes. The only things I’m against are things that prevent that.

I believe all Americans are real Americans and the right way to win is to appeal to them. Unlike you I don’t think winning by having certain people vote for you is winning the wrong way. Disgusting.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
14,698
1,909
126
If they wanted a swamp they would vote Republican. Even Biden supports getting money out of politics.
Just not when it comes to his grifter son. I’ll vote for the guy to get Trump out, but status quo joe isn’t touching the swamp.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
14,698
1,909
126
Lol, I’m just pointing out your hypocrisy. The ‘right way’ to win is, and always has been, to get the most votes. The only things I’m against are things that prevent that.

I believe all Americans are real Americans and the right way to win is to appeal to them. Unlike you I don’t think winning by having certain people vote for you is winning the wrong way. Disgusting.
Hypocrisy not found. Appreciate your concern.

You believe all Americans are real Americans, except of course the disdain you direct at those who don’t vote the way you think they should. Hypocrisy indeed.

Elections are won by coalitions. I don’t care for the swamp dwelling consultant class.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
85,651
50,912
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Hypocrisy not found. Appreciate your concern.

You believe all Americans are real Americans, except of course the disdain you direct at those who don’t vote the way you think they should. Hypocrisy indeed.

Elections are won by coalitions. I don’t care for the swamp dwelling consultant class.
Please quote a single post of mine where I have said or insinuated that certain Americans’ votes should count less or that winning with certain types of votes is bad. I’ve certainly argued that people shouldn’t have extra special voting power, but I’ve never argued that any vote should count less.

I will definitely remember this the next time you complain about someone being elitist. Again I can only imagine how offended you would be if someone said winning with rural voters is winning the wrong way.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
14,698
1,909
126
Please quote a single post of mine where I have said or insinuated that certain Americans’ votes should count less or that winning with certain types of votes is bad. I’ve certainly argued that people shouldn’t have extra special voting power, but I’ve never argued that any vote should count less.

I will definitely remember this the next time you complain about someone being elitist. Again I can only imagine how offended you would be if someone said winning with rural voters is winning the wrong way.
I wouldn’t get offended.

Quote where I said someone’s vote should count less.

I only engage those conversations when people express their elitist disdain for rural voters. I don’t recall you ever making such a statement towards rural voters.

I also don’t recall you ever assertively challenging those who do for the same reasons you are so assertively challenging me.

I do find it hilarious that it is now elitist to express disdain for elitists.
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
24,254
4,090
136
I don't disagree, but since it is the "Democratic" Party, the Candidate should be chosen Democratically. There should be no Elite inside group, they can vote based on their Residence like everyone else. The Party management has technically "chosen" the Candidates when it allowed them to Run as a Candidate. Their job is to organize the Events around the selection process, not to tip the scales to particular candidates.

Honestly, why?

The party is trying to move its agenda forward and is a more technically unified body than the "Democratic party" electorate? How many Trumpsters have you seen even on this forum say that they'll vote for Bernie in the primary just so Trump can beat him? These are the folks honestly voting in the primary in a "democratic" fashion.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
36,179
30,638
136
Just not when it comes to his grifter son. I’ll vote for the guy to get Trump out, but status quo joe isn’t touching the swamp.
His son is not involved in politics, and yes, Biden has repeatedly stated he wants to get money out of politics just like all the Democratic candidates have.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
85,651
50,912
136
I wouldn’t get offended.

Quote where I said someone’s vote should count less.

I only engage those conversations when people express their elitist disdain for rural voters. I don’t recall you ever making such a statement towards rural voters.

I also don’t recall you ever assertively challenging those who do for the same reasons you are so assertively challenging me.

I do find it hilarious that it is now elitist to express disdain for elitists.
I find it funny that the people who describe themselves as ‘real Americans’ as opposed to the ‘elitists’ don’t realize they are being elitists themselves.

Regardless, it’s shameful that you described winning due to the votes of people you don’t like as winning the ‘wrong way’. They are Americans the same as you.
 
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Nov 29, 2006
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The party should pick their candidates. That isn't a flaw or a bad thing.

I actually disagree with that. To me the party is supposed to represent the people that have declared themselves members of that party (the people). The people should all vote in the same day just like the presidential election. The candidate with the most votes becomes the candidate for the party in for the president. Their should be no superdelegates and all that crap. Just straight up votes from verified registered democrats on said day.

That is my opinion at least on how a system should work. Same reason the EC is stupid. To many hands in the pot of the people.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
14,698
1,909
126
I find it funny that the people who describe themselves as ‘real Americans’ as opposed to the ‘elitists’ don’t realize they are being elitists themselves.

Regardless, it’s shameful that you described winning due to the votes of people you don’t like as winning the ‘wrong way’. They are Americans the same as you.
When you’re done beating up the poor straw man, give me a shout
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
36,752
28,943
136
Just not when it comes to his grifter son. I’ll vote for the guy to get Trump out, but status quo joe isn’t touching the swamp.
What in Joe Biden's history indicates he was involved in corrupt practices?

If you are referring to Hunter that is not a Biden problem it is a corporate problem. These boards are incestuous and are loaded with members just for their names or possible contacts.

What do these people have in common?

Gen. James Mattis
Sec of State George Schultz
Sec of State Henry Kissinger

They were all board members of a corporation formerly known as Theranos. I guarantee you none of then knew squat about titrating blood.

Hunter Biden being on the board of Barisma is not a Joe Biden problem. The perception problem is Hunter's. He is an adult.

BTW - Have the standards all of a sudden been raised back to a perception of corruption? Funny those voices have been silent for the last 3 years.
 

ewdotson

Golden Member
Oct 30, 2011
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So what's the conspiracy ideation? The progressives complain about the endorsements because endorsements heavily favor the establishment side for obvious reasons. The same people who have no problem with endorsements tell us it's bad for certain states to go first or that the EC is fundementally unfair ironically dismissing that endorsements could effect a primary even more than EC does for the general, which probably tops out around 2% for most possibilities.
The difference is that neither endorsements nor candidates dropping out impacts the value of an individual vote. Mayor Pete/Klob voters were perfectly capable of ignoring the endorsements and voting for Sanders if they wanted. In contrast, the EC has some votes count for more than others, simply by virtue of arbitrarily drawn state lines.
 

Perknose

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
Forum Director
Oct 9, 1999
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LOL Trump is that way as well. Both are senile and out of touch.
Neither are senile, imho. Both have problems expressing themselves perfectly in the 24/7 crucible of our modern political spotlight.

Let me ask each and every one of you here, regardless of your fucking age:

Honestly, how do YOU think you'd hold up under the rigors of this unrelenting spotlight? Perfectly? Yeah, sure!
 
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Feb 4, 2009
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Neither are senile, imho. Both have problems expressing themselves perfectly in the 24/7 crucible of our modern political spotlight.

Let me ask each and every one of you here, regardless of your fucking age:

Honestly, how do YOU think you'd hold up under the rigors of this unrelenting spotlight? Perfectly? Yeah, sure!

dude of course perfectly this is AT P&N, I also make $300k per year, work two days a week and never have lost money in the stock market and I alway pay below value for everything

Don't you?
 
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IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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Their job is to organize the Events around the selection process, not to tip the scales to particular candidates.
It absolutely is the party's job to "tip the scales" toward candidates that 1) represent the party's values/ideals/policies and 2) they think can win. Party politics aren't a democracy. This is exactly why I advocate to get government out of the business of helping party's pick their candidates through sponsoring primaries. Party functions should not involve government at all.
 
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TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
24,254
4,090
136
Neither are senile, imho. Both have problems expressing themselves perfectly in the 24/7 crucible of our modern political spotlight.

Let me ask each and every one of you here, regardless of your fucking age:

Honestly, how do YOU think you'd hold up under the rigors of this unrelenting spotlight? Perfectly? Yeah, sure!
Tangential but related story.

I interview many candidates for our medical residency program. We score these candidates based on our discussions with them so that we have some objective comparison.

One subscore is a communication score which basically grades speech along a spectrum from 1 (can't speak English, unintelligible) to 7 (articulate, composed, flawless speech essentially) and I'm generally a "tough grader" because I try to stick close to the rubric.

When my colleagues give me grief about some of my communication subscores, I laugh and say that *MY* score would probably only be a 5-6 depending on when you catch me because I have a tendency to speak very quickly and occasionally mumble. Am I a 7 when lecturing? Yeah, generally, but to your point, all the time? Of course not.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
48,130
37,417
136
Not for the right reasons. If the swamp had an address, it would be the affluent suburbs of northern Virginia. They reject Trump because he’s brought chaos to the system they depend on to fund their soy latte lifestyles.

When I think blue Virginia, the unethical well educated consultant class comes to mind.

That they rallied so assertively for Biden tells me its Sanders they truly fear.


Startlingly close to the sentiments I always heard expressed in downstate IL about how Chicago votes were nothing but blacks on the government dole.

Trump and the GOP are in an ongoing total collapse with suburban voters that surround larger urban areas. Its not by any means limited to Northern Virginia.

Also Trump has done nothing but pour an absolute fuckton of taxpayer money into defense and other government programs that would directly benefit the specific people you're complaining about who are turning against the Republicans. Lobbyists, lawyers, consultants are all huge making bank off this admin.
 
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fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
85,651
50,912
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Do you idiots seriously not realize that there would be a ‘scandal’ about literally any democratic nominee, no matter who it was? Someone’s son getting a cushy job at an oil company where absolutely nothing untoward happened during his tenure is about as mild a thing as you could possibly hope for.

Yes, this will be some sort of thing Biden has to deal with but that’s only due to the craven nature of the media that strives for ‘balance’ and the #bothsides stupidity that some individuals shoot for because they think it makes them enlightened.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
48,130
37,417
136
The difference is that neither endorsements nor candidates dropping out impacts the value of an individual vote. Mayor Pete/Klob voters were perfectly capable of ignoring the endorsements and voting for Sanders if they wanted. In contrast, the EC has some votes count for more than others, simply by virtue of arbitrarily drawn state lines.

Sanders has the right to try getting the most votes but he doesn't have the right to a clear field that favors him which is kind of what people are implying with the complaints of drop outs and endorsements by the more centrist candidates.
 
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