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fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
85,651
50,912
136
The people raised to hate communism are already Trump supporters, and they despise socialist programs precisely because they're socialist. Those are already lost souls.

They definitely are not. Everyone in the US was raised to hate communism from around the 50's through the 70's and plenty of them are exactly the voters we need to reach out for.

I sincerely hope you're right, I just hope we aren't talking on this board in another 9 months, with our shitposters in here saying 'herp derp I guess the Dimocrats didn't learn anything from 2016! Why'd you pick an unelectable candidate with a history of corruption!'

But Biden literally has absolutely no history of corruption. Like, none. Republicans have tried to INVENT a history of corruption, but they would just lie about that with any candidate. Again, that was the whole reason behind the Ukraine scandal, they couldn't find any real corruption on Biden so they were trying to invent some! The well was so dry Trump got himself impeached over it!

I personally think 'Bernie is a commie and here's proof in him saying how much he loves commies' is a stronger attack than 'your son got a cushy job' but you're right there's no way to know. I also hope in 9 months we aren't sitting here thinking about what we could have done differently because that means we have some dark, dark times ahead of us.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
15,301
13,611
146
They definitely are not. Everyone in the US was raised to hate communism from around the 50's through the 70's and plenty of them are exactly the voters we need to reach out for.
Exactly, uneducated 55+ yo's. That's Trump's base already, I don't see it growing because 'some old dudes are talking about supposedly scary shit that wasn't scary from half a century ago'.
But Biden literally has absolutely no history of corruption. Like, none. Republicans have tried to INVENT a history of corruption, but they would just lie about that with any candidate. Again, that was the whole reason behind the Ukraine scandal, they couldn't find any real corruption on Biden so they were trying to invent some! The well was so dry Trump got himself impeached over it!
But there's the rub, there is history of it, established during the impeachment proceedings. Again, the fact that it's a lie doesn't matter, not a single bit. You just need proof of the lie repeated endlessly for it to be true. That's been established, and as such the reality shard has been created that he's corrupt. Enough people believe it that it ends up being true enough to throw an election.

I personally think 'Bernie is a commie and here's proof in him saying how much he loves commies' is a stronger attack than 'your son got a cushy job' but you're right there's no way to know.
I fully expect all our resident idiots to meander through here come two weeks after election if Trump gets re-elected saying 'welp, if only the Democrats had put up <theotherguy.jpg> I would have voted for him! Too bad, had to vote for Trump!'
we have some dark, dark times ahead of us.
I believe this is true, without the initial sentence qualifier.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
36,178
30,638
136
Honestly, I think the 'he supported communism!' regarding Bernie would be even better. Hell, half of America supports socialist programs, and most young adults are smart enough to know that the 'communism' scare of damn near a century ago isn't relevant anymore. As a 30-something, I'm personally far more in favor of voting for someone being accused of being a communist because they support socialist programs than I am of voting for someone who's very clearly supporting nepotism.

To put it into a little sharper perspective, which candidate do you think will 'get out the vote' with 18-35 year olds? Bernie or Biden? Remember who 45+ people are voting for.
Most young adults are morons. This is true of any group of people. Most Boomers are morons. 60%+ of the human population is borderline retarded or worse, and those numbers increase even more as soon as you introduce groupthink.
 

Meghan54

Lifer
Oct 18, 2009
11,684
5,222
136
To put it into a little sharper perspective, which candidate do you think will 'get out the vote' with 18-35 year olds? Bernie or Biden? Remember who 45+ people are voting for.

The answer to that is simple....the youth just don't get out to vote. Period. Never have, never will. Talk a lot and loudly, but actually go get registered to vote and then follow through and vote?


Hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
 
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ewdotson

Golden Member
Oct 30, 2011
1,295
1,520
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Honestly, I think the 'he supported communism!' regarding Bernie would be even better. Hell, half of America supports socialist programs, and most young adults are smart enough to know that the 'communism' scare of damn near a century ago isn't relevant anymore. As a 30-something, I'm personally far more in favor of voting for someone being accused of being a communist because they support socialist programs than I am of voting for someone who's very clearly supporting nepotism.

To put it into a little sharper perspective, which candidate do you think will 'get out the vote' with 18-35 year olds? Bernie or Biden? Remember who 45+ people are voting for.
No one's going to get the vote with the 18-35 year olds. If there were, Sanders would be a slam dunk for the nomination.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
14,698
1,909
126
How EXACTLY is it a Joe Biden problem? Agreed he needs to hit Trump back but that is the only "problem". Can't let smears slide. John Kerry learned that.

Was Hunter Biden being on the board of Barisma an indication of corrupt practices by Joe?
Joe Biden was a Senator and VP of the United States. His son benefitted from a string of cushy government jobs, and then grifted to go make money off the people who were targets of his father’s anti corruption efforts.

I will vote for Biden over Trump

Doesn’t change the fact that this is a topic Biden will need to address.

It’s going to come up.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
36,178
30,638
136
No one's going to get the vote with the 18-35 year olds. If there were, Sanders would be a slam dunk for the nomination.
Exactly, if young adults voted like Boomers, Sanders would have already locked up the nomination.
 
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sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
70,231
5,807
126
They definitely are not. Everyone in the US was raised to hate communism from around the 50's through the 70's and plenty of them are exactly the voters we need to reach out for.



But Biden literally has absolutely no history of corruption. Like, none. Republicans have tried to INVENT a history of corruption, but they would just lie about that with any candidate. Again, that was the whole reason behind the Ukraine scandal, they couldn't find any real corruption on Biden so they were trying to invent some! The well was so dry Trump got himself impeached over it!

I personally think 'Bernie is a commie and here's proof in him saying how much he loves commies' is a stronger attack than 'your son got a cushy job' but you're right there's no way to know. I also hope in 9 months we aren't sitting here thinking about what we could have done differently because that means we have some dark, dark times ahead of us.

Everyone has their criticizable issue. Re:" Bernie Loves Commies", he said the same things Obama did.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
15,301
13,611
146
The answer to that is simple....the youth just don't get out to vote. Period. Never have, never will. Talk a lot and loudly, but actually go get registered to vote and then follow through and vote?


Hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
I'll just leave this here, in hopes that it's relevant in a few months.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
70,229
28,937
136
Then why the pretext of this process? If the Party Elites have such an agenda already, they should select their Candidate like Cardinals select the Pope and end the sham of Democratic selection by the voting public. The time of Party Insider selection occurs at the point one attempts to get on the initial ballot, not during the process when you have opened the selection up to the Public.
The parties like the primary system because it generates brand loyalty among voters. That being said, the "Party Elites" are simply people who care enough to show up regularly and pitch in.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
15,995
1,686
126
No they didn't.
Yes, they are. Luckily we can check what they say vs. what they vote for for most of them. Do you really think that if HR1 cleared the Senate that Biden would veto it?
Taking money is not proof of corruption no matter how much you think it is. It's only corruption if taking the money is illegal and if the person votes differently than they would have if there was no money. If you think Biden would veto HR1 you are crazy.
The idea that Hunter got that job because of political connections is pure bullshit. It is well known that he got that job through connections he made in college.

Please read this quick blurb from an excellent article in the Atlantic. This is why the Hunter Biden stuff will be effective.


The President Is Winning His War on American Institutions

This is the story of how a great republic went soft in the middle, lost the integrity of its guts and fell in on itself—told through government officials whose names under any other president would have remained unknown, who wanted no fame, and who faced existential questions when Trump set out to break them.

...

Cashing In
There’s always been corruption in Washington, and everywhere that power can be found, but it became institutionalized starting in the late 1970s and early ’80s, with the rise of the lobbying industry. The corruption that overtook the capital during that time was pecuniary and mostly legal, a matter of norm-breaking—of people’s willingness to do what wasn’t done. Robert Kaiser, a former Washington Post editor and the author of the 2010 book So Damn Much Money: The Triumph of Lobbying and the Corrosion of American Government, locates an early warning sign in Gerald Ford’s readiness to “sign up for every nasty piece of work that everybody offered him to cash in on being an ex-president.” Cashing in—once known as selling out—became a common path out of government, and then back in and out again. “There was a taboo structure,” Kaiser told me. “You don’t go from a senior Justice Department position to a senior partner in Lloyd Cutler’s law firm and then go back. It was a one-way trip. That taboo is no more."

Former members of Congress and their aides cashed in as lobbyists. Retired military officers cashed in with defense contractors. Justice Department officials cashed in at high-paying law firms. Former diplomats cashed in by representing foreign interests as lobbyists or public-relations strategists. A few years high up in the Justice Department could translate into tens of millions of dollars in the private sector. Obscure aides on Capitol Hill became millionaires. Trent Lott abandoned his Senate seat early in order to get ahead of new restrictions on how soon he could start his career as a lobbyist. Ex-presidents gave six-figure speeches and signed eight-figure book deals.

As partisanship turned rabid, making money remained the one thing that Democrats and Republicans could still do together. Washington became a city of expensive restaurants, where bright young people entered government to do some good and then get rich. Luke Albee, a former chief of staff for two Democratic senators, learned to avoid hiring aides he would lose too quickly. “I looked out for who’s going to come in and spin out after 18 months, to renew and refresh their contacts in order to increase their retainers,” he told me. The revolving door didn’t necessarily induce individual officeholders to betray their oath—they might be scrupulously faithful public servants between turns at the trough. But, on a deeper level, the money aligned government with plutocracy. It also made the public indiscriminately cynical. And as the public’s trust in institutions plunged, the status of bureaucrats fell with it.

The swamp had been pooling between the Potomac and the Anacostia for three or four decades when Trump arrived in Washington, vowing to drain it. The slogan became one of his most potent. Fred Wertheimer, the president of the nonprofit Democracy 21 and an activist for good government since the Nixon presidency, says of Trump: “He was ahead of a lot of national politicians when he saw that the country sees Washington as rigged against them, as corrupted by money, as a lobbyist’s game—which is a game he played his whole life, until he ran against it. People wanted someone to take this on.” By then the federal government’s immune system had been badly compromised. Trump, in the name of a radical cure, set out to spread a devastating infection.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
38,433
8,719
136

5.5 hour wait to vote. This should be national holiday type shit.
Been wondering. I voted by mail, yeah, on Tuesday. First time I did this. 2+ hour lines in L.A. to vote. Couldn't those people have voted by mail? I didn't fill out ballot until Tuesday, just had to make sure it was postmarked Tuesday. Why don't more people vote by mail? I didn't before because they charged to do so. Not this time, though.
 

ewdotson

Golden Member
Oct 30, 2011
1,295
1,520
136
I'll just leave this here, in hopes that it's relevant in a few months.
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Sure, turnout is super important! It's really the key issue for Dems - if their voters turn out, they'll win. If they don't, they won't. But you just can't bank on the youth vote. A whopping 9% of 2018 voters fell into the 18-29 age bracket. That number should be a fair bit better in a presidential election year, but counting on them to be the difference-makers is a sucker's game.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
85,651
50,912
136
Exactly, uneducated 55+ yo's. That's Trump's base already, I don't see it growing because 'some old dudes are talking about supposedly scary shit that wasn't scary from half a century ago'.

There are lots of 55+ year olds who aren't Trump's base though. I genuinely think you are underestimating how powerful a 'he's a commie and there's proof' attack would be.

But there's the rub, there is history of it, established during the impeachment proceedings. Again, the fact that it's a lie doesn't matter, not a single bit. You just need proof of the lie repeated endlessly for it to be true. That's been established, and as such the reality shard has been created that he's corrupt. Enough people believe it that it ends up being true enough to throw an election.

Well sure, but if the standard for 'history of corruption' is 'Republicans said they were corrupt' then that's true for any nominee.

I fully expect all our resident idiots to meander through here come two weeks after election if Trump gets re-elected saying 'welp, if only the Democrats had put up <theotherguy.jpg> I would have voted for him! Too bad, had to vote for Trump!'

I believe this is true, without the initial sentence qualifier.

Oh yes, on this we totally agree. It will be, once again, the Democrats' fault that Trump won and not the fault of the Republicans who nominated, supported, and voted for him.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
85,651
50,912
136
Sure, turnout is super important! It's really the key issue for Dems - if their voters turn out, they'll win. If they don't, they won't. But you just can't bank on the youth vote. A whopping 9% of 2018 voters fell into the 18-29 age bracket. That number should be a fair bit better in a presidential election year, but counting on them to be the difference-makers is a sucker's game.

One thing that's very salient to the primary is that Sanders' stated strategy is to create a surge of youth voting as his path to victory. So far in the Democratic primaries at least, no such surge has developed. Instead, the surge has been in older voters.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
14,681
136
Joe Biden was a Senator and VP of the United States. His son benefitted from a string of cushy government jobs, and then grifted to go make money off the people who were targets of his father’s anti corruption efforts.

I will vote for Biden over Trump

Doesn’t change the fact that this is a topic Biden will need to address.

It’s going to come up.

Your repetition of GOP talking points on a variety of topics leads me to doubt your sincerity. This song & dance about Hunter Biden is one of them. Characterization of the residents of northern Virginia as latte sipping elitists is another example of the usual scurrilous characterization you employ quite regularly.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
36,178
30,638
136
Please read this quick blurb from an excellent article in the Atlantic. This is why the Hunter Biden stuff will be effective.


The President Is Winning His War on American Institutions

This is the story of how a great republic went soft in the middle, lost the integrity of its guts and fell in on itself—told through government officials whose names under any other president would have remained unknown, who wanted no fame, and who faced existential questions when Trump set out to break them.

...

Cashing In
There’s always been corruption in Washington, and everywhere that power can be found, but it became institutionalized starting in the late 1970s and early ’80s, with the rise of the lobbying industry. The corruption that overtook the capital during that time was pecuniary and mostly legal, a matter of norm-breaking—of people’s willingness to do what wasn’t done. Robert Kaiser, a former Washington Post editor and the author of the 2010 book So Damn Much Money: The Triumph of Lobbying and the Corrosion of American Government, locates an early warning sign in Gerald Ford’s readiness to “sign up for every nasty piece of work that everybody offered him to cash in on being an ex-president.” Cashing in—once known as selling out—became a common path out of government, and then back in and out again. “There was a taboo structure,” Kaiser told me. “You don’t go from a senior Justice Department position to a senior partner in Lloyd Cutler’s law firm and then go back. It was a one-way trip. That taboo is no more."

Former members of Congress and their aides cashed in as lobbyists. Retired military officers cashed in with defense contractors. Justice Department officials cashed in at high-paying law firms. Former diplomats cashed in by representing foreign interests as lobbyists or public-relations strategists. A few years high up in the Justice Department could translate into tens of millions of dollars in the private sector. Obscure aides on Capitol Hill became millionaires. Trent Lott abandoned his Senate seat early in order to get ahead of new restrictions on how soon he could start his career as a lobbyist. Ex-presidents gave six-figure speeches and signed eight-figure book deals.

As partisanship turned rabid, making money remained the one thing that Democrats and Republicans could still do together. Washington became a city of expensive restaurants, where bright young people entered government to do some good and then get rich. Luke Albee, a former chief of staff for two Democratic senators, learned to avoid hiring aides he would lose too quickly. “I looked out for who’s going to come in and spin out after 18 months, to renew and refresh their contacts in order to increase their retainers,” he told me. The revolving door didn’t necessarily induce individual officeholders to betray their oath—they might be scrupulously faithful public servants between turns at the trough. But, on a deeper level, the money aligned government with plutocracy. It also made the public indiscriminately cynical. And as the public’s trust in institutions plunged, the status of bureaucrats fell with it.

The swamp had been pooling between the Potomac and the Anacostia for three or four decades when Trump arrived in Washington, vowing to drain it. The slogan became one of his most potent. Fred Wertheimer, the president of the nonprofit Democracy 21 and an activist for good government since the Nixon presidency, says of Trump: “He was ahead of a lot of national politicians when he saw that the country sees Washington as rigged against them, as corrupted by money, as a lobbyist’s game—which is a game he played his whole life, until he ran against it. People wanted someone to take this on.” By then the federal government’s immune system had been badly compromised. Trump, in the name of a radical cure, set out to spread a devastating infection.
First of all, as we've already covered, any attack on Hunter can be turned right back around on Ivanka and Jared. Any person that can't, or refuses to see that Donald/Ivanka/Jared is a thousand times worse than Hunter/Joe is a fucking lost cause that can die in a fire for all I care.

Regarding "cashing in," there is nothing inherently unethical about taking your prior experience and turning that into buckets of cash. That is what successful people do and knee-jerk railing against anyone that does it is a naive child. Before you can credibly accuse someone of corruption you have to establish that they voted for a policy that would have been detrimental to society or against a policy that would have been beneficial, AND you have to prove that they voted that way specifically in exchange for something. Proving that last part is VERY difficult, and if you accuse someone of corruption without that proof you might as well be accusing Sandy Hook parents of fabricating the existence of their slain children. Don't be that person. Instead, simply focus on the easy part: how did they vote? It doesn't matter whether they voted that way due to corruption or abject stupidity as much as it matters that they voted that way, period.
 
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Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
14,698
1,909
126
One thing that's very salient to the primary is that Sanders' stated strategy is to create a surge of youth voting as his path to victory. So far in the Democratic primaries at least, no such surge has developed. Instead, the surge has been in older voters.
Sanders other strategy was that the broad centrist candidate pool would allow him to consolidate his power into a delegate majority going into a contested convention.

He didn’t count on the centrist candidates forming Voltron.

Problem is they formed lame ass vehicle Voltron, not lion Voltron.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
14,681
136
One thing that's very salient to the primary is that Sanders' stated strategy is to create a surge of youth voting as his path to victory. So far in the Democratic primaries at least, no such surge has developed. Instead, the surge has been in older voters.

Damn those pesky facts. Damn them to Hell.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
14,681
136
Sanders other strategy was that the broad centrist candidate pool would allow him to consolidate his power into a delegate majority going into a contested convention.

He didn’t count on the centrist candidates forming Voltron.

Problem is they formed lame ass vehicle Voltron, not lion Voltron.

Tearing down the dirty Democrats for fun & profit. It's your thing, huh?
 
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Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
14,698
1,909
126
Your repetition of GOP talking points on a variety of topics leads me to doubt your sincerity. This song & dance about Hunter Biden is one of them. Characterization of the residents of northern Virginia as latte sipping elitists is another example of the usual scurrilous characterization you employ quite regularly.
Hunter Biden is a liability and northern Virginia is home to the latte demographic. I bet Hunter Biden has visited a Whole Foods or Trader Joes in northern Virginia.

None of those statements are factually incorrect.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
36,178
30,638
136
Sanders other strategy was that the broad centrist candidate pool would allow him to consolidate his power into a delegate majority going into a contested convention.

He didn’t count on the centrist candidates forming Voltron.

Problem is they formed lame ass vehicle Voltron, not lion Voltron.
Whoa whoa whoa, I can tolerate a bunch of things but ranking lion Voltron above vehicle Voltron is a bridge too far.
I hope he follows through.
We won't get a chance to find out if we don't keep the House and take the Senate with a healthy majority, which is not very likely.
 
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UNCjigga

Lifer
Dec 12, 2000
24,941
9,231
136
Warren is officially out...no word of endorsement yet.

Edit: Looks like someone leaked ahead of her campaign staff meeting this morning, so we might see Warren’s official statement and an endorsement later this afternoon.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
36,752
28,943
136
Been wondering. I voted by mail, yeah, on Tuesday. First time I did this. 2+ hour lines in L.A. to vote. Couldn't those people have voted by mail? I didn't fill out ballot until Tuesday, just had to make sure it was postmarked Tuesday. Why don't more people vote by mail? I didn't before because they charged to do so. Not this time, though.
Texas rules. Read tweet and his instinct is correct Republicans will pull any dirty trick to make it harder for minorities to vote. One trick is to close polling locations in heavy minority districts making the wait hours longer.
 
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