Superchargers vs Turbochargers

[Mookow]

This isnt to debate the merits of each, but rather a question about their cost. Why does a supercharger cost more (as least, I've heard they do)? It seems like a simpler design (one less turbine needed, no need to deal with exhaust gases, etc)

 

[chiwawa626]

/me knows nothing about cars:

Its like comparing apples and oranges, dont even go there.

 

[jurzdevil]

turbochargers cost more

 

[Eli]

I always get the two mixed up.

One last time, which is which again?

 

[Choralone]

Wasn't there just a discussion on this a week or so ago? I think so...

 

[geno]

I'm not familiar with the cost of blowers, but you need to replace moer with a turbo setup, mostly due to the exhaust re-routing aspect of it, also it's more common than not to install an intercooler, so you need to make arrangements for that too. You also need electronics to control the boost. There's a lot that you have to do to accomodate for a turbo setup. You also need to allow for coolant and oil flow to and from the turbo. different valves may be in order when converting from NA to forced induction.

 

[notfred]

They're both expensive.

 

[Salvador]

Turbo's cost more. The big difference is that the turbo is driven off of exhaust gasses and takes a while to build boost. Depending on the size of the turbo, you will feel some lag before the boost builds. Most cars these days are running 2 smaller turbo's instead of 1 large one. The powerband is more linear because the smaller turbo's build boost faster and the lag isn't that noticeable.

A Supercharger is belt driven off of the crank on your car. It turns an impeller, which forces air into the engine. Superchargers take power to create power because it's running off of your engine as an accessory. Because it starts spinning when your engine is spinning, you create instant power and there is no lag associated with turbo's.

Sal

 

[GTaudiophile]

I think an advantage of superchargers is lower heat production.

 

[XCLAN]

Superchargers are cheaper. a lot less components.
Turbos, are not for instant horsepower off the line like a supercharger.

if you want either just for some weekend racing...get a supercharger , cheaper and instant horsepower.

 

[geno]

Most cars these days are running 2 smaller turbo's instead of 1 large one

Most? I don't know about that.... even when there's 2, there's the difference between sequential and parallel turbos.

 

[Heisenberg]

Superchargers are cheaper than turbos, but both cost a good chunk of change. I prefer superchargers for several reasons.

 

[Antisocial Virge]

Originally posted by: geno

Most cars these days are running 2 smaller turbo's instead of 1 large one

Most? I don't know about that.... even when there's 2, there's the difference between sequential and parallel turbos.

Just as the name says. Sequential runs then in the same airflow with one , you hope, spooling up at a lower rpm than the other reducing lag. Parallel run along side each other and usually are 2 smaller turbos allowing faster spooling and reduce lag.

 

[Spac3d]

Originally posted by: Antisocial-Virge

Originally posted by: geno

Most cars these days are running 2 smaller turbo's instead of 1 large one

Most? I don't know about that.... even when there's 2, there's the difference between sequential and parallel turbos.

Just as the name says. Sequential runs then in the same airflow with one , you hope, spooling up at a lower rpm than the other reducing lag. Parallel run along side each other and usually are 2 smaller turbos allowing faster spooling and reduce lag.

Yup.

 

[StageLeft]

Turbos are better because they are favored by foreign car manufacturers and they have generally superior engineering and R&D.

I have to go now.

 

[geno]

Turbos are better because they are favored by foreign car manufacturers

lol

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I think an advantage of superchargers is lower heat production.

Actually, superchargers (at least, roots-type superchargers) heat the incoming air charge more and are less efficient at compressing the air than are turbochargers.

ZV

 

[Howard]

I'm not sure why one method of compression yields more heat for any given boost.

Temperature is proportional to pressure, is it not?

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Howard
I'm not sure why one method of compression yields more heat for any given boost.

Temperature is proportional to pressure, is it not?

Roots-type compressors in superchargers beat the air into discrete packets and basically tear/shear the air more than a turbine or a centrifugal supercharger. More adgitated air = more heat.

ZV

 

[Howard]

Roots-type compressors in superchargers beat the air into discrete packets

So that's why I've always burned there...

 

[Evadman]

If you are looking for an off the shelf forced induction system, in general terms a supercharger will be less expensive. Turbos can require some custom metal work and fabrication since both the exaust and intake are messes with. Superchargers are only intake and a belt.

Turbos will also raise underhood temps quite a bit comparied to a supercharger.

 

[KennyTheGreat]

What kinda car is this for?



LMK


Ken

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Howard

Roots-type compressors in superchargers beat the air into discrete packets

So that's why I've always burned there...

A good blurb on the subject from Road & Track. Scroll down to the "Turbo Tutoring" section.

ZV

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Evadman
If you are looking for an off the shelf forced induction system, in general terms a supercharger will be less expensive. Turbos can require some custom metal work and fabrication since both the exaust and intake are messes with. Superchargers are only intake and a belt.

Turbos will also raise underhood temps quite a bit comparied to a supercharger.

Of course, it all depends on how well you insulate the turbine housing (and exhaust manifold(s)/header(s) if you want better emission control/power).

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: KennyTheGreat
What kinda car is this for?

LMK

Ken

Its not for any specific car, rather just a question I had