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alexruiz

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Well guys, I guess we can se very interesting results here. If someone with a K8 1MB L2 runs the benchmark, report it, as my bet is that an FX-55 mildly overclocked will be the top gun.

Findings so far:
- SuperPI is very dependant on fast data transfer. Tons of bandwidth, low latency and big cache are key here. I was surprised to see a 2.0 GHz P-M doing poorly, as the P-M is a known monster for superpi. Well, then I realized this is the 32M test, not the 1M where the big cache of the P-M flies through the test.
- Low latency or bandwidth?: Depends on the architecture. Old-style designs (read, have a FSB) seem to be more affected by the bandwidth rather than the latency. For new designs (K8 ) they seem to be about equal.
- What is the most important factor for superpi?: Easy answer: CACHE. A P-M flies when the test fits nicely in the cache. Once main memory is involved, the P-M chokes because of the low data transfer capabilities (we have been stating this for months....) This is why also prescotts are getting now the top marks. I want to see the results of an emergency edition. This is also why a socket 754 K8 (I assume clawhamer with 1MB L2) was able to mostly keep up with the socket 939 babies. A socket 754 K8 with DDR550 running the memory at full speed should beat a socket 939 with DDR400. Can anyone confirm? Increasing the memory speed without increasing the HT link speed is preferred (K8 white papers are your friend here)

Keep reporting


Alex
 

bobsmith1492

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Grrrr.... I was so close with my laptop; I'm at 36m 26s with a P-M 1.7 OCd to 2.125, 125 FSB.....

Anyone have any tips on tweaking it for a couple fewer minutes? I'll try to push it a bit more, but the bus just can't handle much more.
 

RalfHutter

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: RalfHutter
Here's an OCed P4E 570J. It's unpatched 'cause I couldn't find the patch at the link provided in the first post:

35m 02s

Thottling. Should be ~28-30 at 4.1 depending on mem config



Nope, no throttling according to throttlewatch. Load temp maxed out around 60°C for the entire SuperPi run. I've definitely seen this CPU throttle madly around 68-70°C though. I'm not the world's biggest Prescott fan....
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: RalfHutter
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: RalfHutter
Here's an OCed P4E 570J. It's unpatched 'cause I couldn't find the patch at the link provided in the first post:

35m 02s

Thottling. Should be ~28-30 at 4.1 depending on mem config



Nope, no throttling according to throttlewatch. Load temp maxed out around 60°C for the entire SuperPi run. I've definitely seen this CPU throttle madly around 68-70°C though. I'm not the world's biggest Prescott fan....

has to be. I'm convinced TW is broken. Cause you're clcoked 100 mhz higher than these gentlemen, while being 8-10 minutes slower. Just does'nt make sense. Even memory timings and speed can't account for this.

1. Sc4freak- 26m 06s P4@ 4.02GHz (Patched)
2. Slulfyer06- 27m 0s P4@ 3.96GHz
3. Stardust- 27m 59s P4@ 3.95GHz
 

bobsmith1492

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Ok; the lappy just ran 35m 04s at 126 FSB after deleting half the stuff on the HDD and defragging. Can't it be thrown in just for good measure?

EDIT: Oh yeah;
Sager 3790
P-M 1.7 @ 2145 (126 FSB)
1024 DDR333 @ 420
 

68GTX

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Originally posted by: bobsmith1492
Ok; the lappy just ran 35m 04s at 126 FSB after deleting half the stuff on the HDD and defragging. Can't it be thrown in just for good measure?

EDIT: Oh yeah;
Sager 3790
P-M 1.7 @ 2145 (226 FSB)
1024 DDR333 @ 420

Nice Score. Seems like with a little SuperPi tweaking you might make it into the top 5.

 

68GTX

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Originally posted by: bobsmith1492
What kind of SuperPi tweaking is there to do?

Oh, and thanks



Sc4freak mentioned some in This Thread


Defrag Your Hard Drive

Start/Run/Msconfig - Choose "Diagnostic Startup" - Reboot

After Windows Loads, Open SuperPi (Don't forget to stretch the Default Window Size)

Hit CTRL/ALT/DEL - In the Windows Task Manager/Processes - Highlight SuperPi.EXE Set Priority/Realtime

From the Windows Task Manager END Explorer.Exe & Taskmgr.Exe & Start the SuperPi Run.

When Finished, Hit CTRL/ALT/DEL Windows Task Manager/Applications/New Task - Type In "explorer"(without the quotes) Grab & Save your Screenshot.

Start/Run/Msconfig - Choose "Normal Startup" Reboot & you'll be back to default settings.


Of Course tweaks vary between systems, so you'll have to play around with different settings to see what works best for your particular setup.

As Sc4freak mentioned SuperPi results vary from run to run as well.

Most of the SuperPi Gurus run a highly tweaked Windows 2003 Server with Ramdisk utilities.


 

bobsmith1492

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Yeah, it appears the HDD is the limiting factor. I tried the diagnostic boot to see if it would increase any, but it was a ton slower. I checked the defragger and it made over 500 fragments of the output file. I bet that slowed it down a lot.

Even after defrag, it was about the same.

Do you know any defrag programs that are free to download and better than the windows one?
 

Googer

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Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: joe4324
I'm shooting for slowest system!!! I have a passive cooled PII setup I've been using for web browsing, lets see how far I can underclock it

Underclocking is cheating.
and overclocking isnt?

hmmm i wonder how my rig @ 1.4ghz 200ddr c3844-2 would fair?

There is almost no limit to underclocking like there is for overclocking
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: bobsmith1492
Yeah, it appears the HDD is the limiting factor. I tried the diagnostic boot to see if it would increase any, but it was a ton slower. I checked the defragger and it made over 500 fragments of the output file. I bet that slowed it down a lot.

Even after defrag, it was about the same.

Do you know any defrag programs that are free to download and better than the windows one?

Nah...I probably have the slowest HD's of anyone here, seagates 160GB PATA's, and have best Chip Mhz/score ratio. ...besides when does superpi access disk? only when you launch.
 

Googer

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: bobsmith1492
Yeah, it appears the HDD is the limiting factor. I tried the diagnostic boot to see if it would increase any, but it was a ton slower. I checked the defragger and it made over 500 fragments of the output file. I bet that slowed it down a lot.

Even after defrag, it was about the same.

Do you know any defrag programs that are free to download and better than the windows one?

Nah...I probably have the slowest HD's of anyone here, seagates 160GB IDE's. ...besides when does super access disk? only when you launch.

Super memory intensive applications like Pi Fast or SuperPI, windows resorts to the HDD when It runs out of system ram and turns to the pagefile for virtual memory. So a fast HDD will alow for quick retrieval of information that needs to be processed.
 

bobsmith1492

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Why is it then that after defragging my superpi went down by 2-3 minutes?? That's a significant drop. Also, is there any way to let it use more system ram? It says it dedicates like 260 megs or something, but I've got a lot more free if it could use it.

Oh, and also it seems to access the HDD between loops; in between loops, the cpu usage drops for a second or so. That could be related.....
 

zakee00

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Originally posted by: bobsmith1492
Yeah, it appears the HDD is the limiting factor. I tried the diagnostic boot to see if it would increase any, but it was a ton slower. I checked the defragger and it made over 500 fragments of the output file. I bet that slowed it down a lot.

Even after defrag, it was about the same.

Do you know any defrag programs that are free to download and better than the windows one?

hdd speed has almost nothing to do with your results as long as you have over 512MB of RAM. obviously defragging always improves performance, but the HDD is not at all the limiting factor.
FYI, none of the text files that superpi uses are over 1.5MB, so if its in 500 fragments your system needs to be defragged BADLY. i seriously doubt it was over 500 fragments.
 

zakee00

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Originally posted by: bobsmith1492
Why is it then that after defragging my superpi went down by 2-3 minutes?? That's a significant drop. Also, is there any way to let it use more system ram? It says it dedicates like 260 megs or something, but I've got a lot more free if it could use it.

Oh, and also it seems to access the HDD between loops; in between loops, the cpu usage drops for a second or so. That could be related.....

it dedicates 260MB because thats all it needs to calculate 32M
i get no hd swapping you must be doing something wrong
 

bobsmith1492

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Oh well; hey so have you thought about adding a section for laptops? My 35.04 is still standing there waiting...
 

Googer

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Originally posted by: zakee00
Originally posted by: bobsmith1492
Why is it then that after defragging my superpi went down by 2-3 minutes?? That's a significant drop. Also, is there any way to let it use more system ram? It says it dedicates like 260 megs or something, but I've got a lot more free if it could use it.

Oh, and also it seems to access the HDD between loops; in between loops, the cpu usage drops for a second or so. That could be related.....

it dedicates 260MB because thats all it needs to calculate 32M
i get no hd swapping you must be doing something wrong


If anybone wants to test this out just set you swap file size to a minimum of 2mb and a maximum of 2mb and run the test. After Running the test set the swap file to a minimum of 1024 and a maximum of 1024 and Run SuperPI again and compaire the results.

Alternativly you could set minimum and maximum to both 0 on all drives and completely disble the swapfile.
Another option here is to edit boot.ini and change the line that says /fastdetect to /nolowmem and try it again. Using the nolowmem switch minimizes the swapfile usage. A similar command is avalable for 9x users in system.ini and under the 386enh area of that file add the line conservativeswapfielusage=1 and reboot.
 

Zebo

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I've never defraged a HD in my life and consistantly score higher than most systems same speed... personally I think it's a gimmick.
 

zakee00

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Originally posted by: Zebo
I've never defraged a HD in my life and consistantly score higher than most systems same speed... personally I think it's a gimmick.

if you dont defrag it WILL take longer to access your data. you will only see the difference when you are actually using it, aka not in benchmarks but in real world load times.
try loading a game with a fragmented hd (make sure the game files are the ones fragmented, for instance right after you install it) and then after defragging it. time the loading speeds.
Nick
 
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