seems like they've taken that into account
Boom's supersonic airliner is designed for routes up to 10,357 miles (9,000 nm or 16,668 km). On routes longer than 5,179 miles (4,500 nm or 8,334 km), the aircraft will need a simple tech stop to refuel. The tech stop will take less than an hour, and passengers will not need to deplane or even wake up. Tech stop durations are included in all of our time estimates for flights over 4,500 nm.
Sure but they don't run planes with first class only for a reason. A number of business or first class only flights and airlines have been tried and failed over the years. The two biggest drawbacks of the Concorde was low passenger count and fuel use. They need to address both for it to be successful.
i take their blurb about refuelling for airport pairs further than 4500 nm to mean that it can non stop any airport pairs within 4500 nm and have whatever margin is necessary to be safe on that route.I figured when you said "4500 nm is just enough range to go from NRT to SFO" that you meant nonstop.
i take their blurb about refuelling for airport pairs further than 4500 nm to mean that it can non stop any airport pairs within 4500 nm and have whatever margin is necessary to be safe on that route.
Are you being deliberately obtuse or do you just not get it? The Concorde operated for more than 30 years. There is certainly a market for high dollar fast flights on certain routes like London or Paris to NYC or Toyko to San Francisco or Los Angeles. The plane carries about half the passengers of the Concorde, so there should be plenty of fannies for the seats. And the Concorde was an old design with terrible fuel efficiency. Using better aerodynamics, new composites for lighter weight and more efficient engines fuel burn per passenger is expected to be on par with a normal subsonic airliner. More burn per hour, fewer hours in the air. The deficiencies of the Concorde are the entire raison d'être for the project. The whole thing is designed from square one to address both.
Wrong place for this but the website doesn't let me PM you. It's about Fender Jagstangs.I could see a huge market for this for flights between the west coast and Asia/Japan, even Hawaii.
Using better aerodynamics, new composites for lighter weight and more efficient engines fuel burn per passenger is expected to be on par with a normal subsonic airliner.
This is not true, and it will never be true.
The physics of drag will always make travel beyond near-sonic speeds more expensive.
I am an aerodynamicist at a very large aerospace company. I know people working at Boom and Aurora Flight Sciences. My current co-workers do supersonic transport and low-boom work with NASA and JAXA. I know how this stuff works.
This is not true, and it will never be true.
The physics of drag will always make travel beyond near-sonic speeds more expensive.
Are you being deliberately obtuse or do you just not get it? The Concorde operated for more than 30 years. There is certainly a market for high dollar fast flights on certain routes like London or Paris to NYC or Toyko to San Francisco or Los Angeles. The plane carries about half the passengers of the Concorde, so there should be plenty of fannies for the seats. And the Concorde was an old design with terrible fuel efficiency.
Are you being deliberately obtuse or do you just not get it? The Concorde operated for more than 30 years. There is certainly a market for high dollar fast flights on certain routes like London or Paris to NYC or Toyko to San Francisco or Los Angeles. The plane carries about half the passengers of the Concorde, so there should be plenty of fannies for the seats. And the Concorde was an old design with terrible fuel efficiency. Using better aerodynamics, new composites for lighter weight and more efficient engines fuel burn per passenger is expected to be on par with a normal subsonic airliner. More burn per hour, fewer hours in the air. The deficiencies of the Concorde are the entire raison d'être for the project. The whole thing is designed from square one to address both.
Sure they say they can do it for the same price as business class but, assuming they are even right, are we talking the relatively frequent ~$2k discount J fares or $6k full fares? My guess is closer to the $6k fares. So you're really hoping that enough businessmen just have to be there in a short time for the meeting for this to work and that a few hours, skype or video conference will kill the deal.
Pretty much limits it to ATOTers. Maybe we can help pick out the color scheme for the cabin.Yeah, it will certainly be difficult for them to pull off. The supersonic flight is about a 5 hour time savings over conventional, so they'd have to price it where the cost doesn't exceed the time savings for most customers.
Wrong place for this but the website doesn't let me PM you. It's about Fender Jagstangs.
That's odd. I don't have private messaging disabled.
The market for routes like NYC to London or Paris for premium only flights is incredibly weak as evidenced by the failure of Silverjet, Eos and Maxjet. La Compagnie suspended its JFK-LHR route and BA's own measly 32 seat premium only flight can barely manage to keep its remaining spot after its original service schedule was slashed due to lack of demand. Since these will likely operate from capacity controlled slots like JFK or LAX that means that for every flight operated by a Boom supersonic aircraft there is a flight that cannot be operated by a high density plane compounding the problem. Sure they say they can do it for the same price as business class but, assuming they are even right, are we talking the relatively frequent ~$2k discount J fares or $6k full fares? My guess is closer to the $6k fares. So you're really hoping that enough businessmen just have to be there in a short time for the meeting for this to work and that a few hours, skype or video conference will kill the deal. Even if a very few select markets work to get the plane order price down you need decent number of orders for it to make sense.
Of course this is all assuming they can manage the incredibly complex certification and review environment that is air travel. There is always a chance they'll make it but the odds are stacked heavily against them
They claim that they will be able to profitably sell seats for $2,500.
The company hopes the Boom jet will take three hours and 15 minutes to fly from New York to London for a price of $2,500 per passenger in either direction
The prices I was referring to are RT so they'll be closer to the $6k I figured assuming they meet their desired price point (Which I am skeptical of too)
A lot of internal meetings can be Internet,I think one of the biggest reason demand just isn't there now is because of teleconferencing. Business execs and such just don't need to be meeting in person like they use to. Important business decision to be made in Europe? Start a webex, no need to fly there ASAP.