Supply Issues Founders Edition Early Adopters Paper Tax for 20 Minutes [HardOCP]

tential

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While I am not sure where the GeForce GTX 1080 Founders Edition is, I am sure of where it is not. And where the Founders Edition cards are not, is on etailers shelves.

To even call this a launch day is somewhat of a slap in the face to the computer hardware enthusiast. We reached out to several folks at NVIDIA for comment on actual stocking numbers that Newegg had on hand and came up with no replies at time of publishing this. Of course they would never tell us the number anyway, but we have to ask. NVIDIA's normal reply would rattle off something like, "Well Kyle, we had so many that they were falling off the truck on the way over, and since GTX 1080 is so freaking awesome there is no way we could keep up with demand. We are as surprised as you are." And of course we all know that is a fairy tale at best.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016...dopters_paper_tax_for_20_minutes#.V089l5ErKUk

Read the article for the full comments as many I can't post here.
Looks like the GTX 1080 isn't supply isn't really there. What can we really expect from AIBs?
I'm very interested to hear what they say when they get their hands on P10! And what they have to say about the supply of P10 at launch.
 

swilli89

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UPDATE FROM NVIDIA - 3:47PM CDT:



Howdy, we shipped thousands of units.

So looks like it really was a disguised paper launch. They launched less than 10,000 most likely. 7 or 8 thousand cards is not what I would call an actual launch.
 

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I have no interest in giving [H] any traffic being they are the National Enquirer of hardware review sites. That being said, this looks exactly like what the Fury X launch looked like. Fury X had 30k cards for launch. It's definitely not normal for Nvidia to paper launch. Being that they moved up their launch rather than building stock they must be taking AMD's multi mainstream GPU strategy seriously.

http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx1080/
 
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ShintaiDK

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If you ask OCUK today, they will most likely tell you they sold around 5000 cards alone. The retailer in Denmark I shop at have passed 2000 cards. And all these are relatively minor retailers.

Seems the like or dislike of Kyle and HardOCP swings a lot
 

Zstream

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That reply can't really be from Nvidia, can it? If so, that is pretty much a paper launch.
 

poofyhairguy

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They all learned from Apple. People wanting your product and not being able to get it is a good thing at first, because coverage of the people queuing up or paying scalping prices on Ebay only increases the general consumer value of that product. There is a point where it hurt you because your customers go to a competitor, but it looks like Nvidia has six months to let that pot stew.
 

Bacon1

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If you ask OCUK today, they will most likely tell you they sold around 5000 cards alone. The retailer in Denmark I shop at have passed 2000 cards. And all these are relatively minor retailers.

Seems the like or dislike of Kyle and HardOCP swings a lot

Source for all of those claims?
 

swilli89

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That reply can't really be from Nvidia, can it? If so, that is pretty much a paper launch.

Pretty much inline with what nVidia wanted to do. Make a big announcement with a crowd filled with paid shills and get that mind share going. Jen-Hsun got to come out and talk about irresponsible amounts of performance and the other marvels of Pascal all while not really launching the product.
 

LTC8K6

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How can the 1080 hold the top 4 best seller spots at Amazon for graphics cards then? One of which is a FE card?
 

Headfoot

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Wild exaggeration is the realm of forumites and apparently HardOCP.

The truth is extremely mundane. Supply doesn't meet demand but they've definitely sold units, much like every new upper-tier GPU release for a long time. Heck, its like this with every cutting edge technological gizmo. Tesla cars, CPUs, GPUs, phones
 

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If you ask OCUK today, they will most likely tell you they sold around 5000 cards alone.

OCUK is a huge uk retailer for high end gpu's and gets a lot of early stock, right now it has some stock of 1080's (i.e. I can buy one). I see ebuyer also has stock. Novatech has stock tomorrow. Seems to be a few around...

Imo Kyle is aware he upset all the AMD fans and has started to appear as too pro Nvidia so he's purposely redressing the balance by knocking out the odd anti nvidia article.

Like most things to all AMD fans low stock = paper launch, to nvidia fan's low stock = massively successful so it sells out. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
 
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Elixer

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I have no interest in giving [H] any traffic being they are the National Enquirer of hardware review sites. That being said, this looks exactly like what the Fury X launch looked like. Fury X had 30k cards for launch. It's definitely not normal for Nvidia to paper launch. Being that they moved up their launch rather than building stock they must be taking AMD's multi mainstream GPU strategy seriously.

Yeah, more click-bait!
It is pretty obvious that is what this is.
Kyle is laughing all the way to the bank.
 

Despoiler

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How can the 1080 hold the top 4 best seller spots at Amazon for graphics cards then? One of which is a FE card?

"The Amazon Best Sellers calculation is based on Amazon.com sales and is updated hourly to reflect recent and historical sales of every item sold on Amazon.com. "

It sounds like it has both a total sales and rate of sale component to the rating.
 

ShintaiDK

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OCUK is a huge uk retailer for high end gpu's and gets a lot of early stock, right now it has some stock of 1080's (i.e. I can buy one). I see ebuyer also has stock. Novatech has stock tomorrow. Seems to be a few around...

Imo Kyle is aware he upset all the AMD fans and has started to appear as too pro Nvidia so he's purposely redressing the balance by knocking out the odd anti nvidia article.

Like most things to all AMD fans low stock = paper launch, to nvidia fan's low stock = massively successful so it sells out. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

+1 :thumbsup:

Places with EVGA GTX1080 FE in stock:
http://geizhals.eu/evga-geforce-gtx...e&hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=pl&hloc=uk&hloc=eu&v=l

Zotac:
http://geizhals.eu/zotac-geforce-gt...e&hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=pl&hloc=uk&hloc=eu&v=l

Palit:
http://geizhals.eu/palit-geforce-gt...e&hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=pl&hloc=uk&hloc=eu&v=l

MSI:
http://geizhals.eu/msi-geforce-gtx-...e&hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=pl&hloc=uk&hloc=eu&v=l

And currently Newegg got Asus GTX 1080 FE in stock:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...m_re=GTX_1080_founders-_-14-126-101-_-Product
 
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tential

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If you ask OCUK today, they will most likely tell you they sold around 5000 cards alone. The retailer in Denmark I shop at have passed 2000 cards. And all these are relatively minor retailers.

Seems the like or dislike of Kyle and HardOCP swings a lot

I know some people, myself included, feel HardOCP/Kyle has an Nvidia bias. Definitely feel it shows in the game suite, but at least article wise, it seems he can be pretty harsh on both vendors which I can accept.
 

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How can the 1080 hold the top 4 best seller spots at Amazon for graphics cards then? One of which is a FE card?

I can't see how that's possibly accurate. The best seller is the EVGA FTW card that hasn't been released yet, and the only people selling it are two guys reselling pre-orders they bought.
 

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If you ask OCUK today, they will most likely tell you they sold around 5000 cards alone. The retailer in Denmark I shop at have passed 2000 cards. And all these are relatively minor retailers.


Source for those stock amounts?
 

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If you ask OCUK today, they will most likely tell you they sold around 5000 cards alone. The retailer in Denmark I shop at have passed 2000 cards. And all these are relatively minor retailers.

I'd love to see a source for your claims. A single shop in Denmark sold already more than 2000 cards?

One of the biggest German online shops for hardware shares sales numbers. 3 different cards are in stock, in total they sold less than 1000 cards. And sold doesn't even mean shipped.
http://www.mindfactory.de/search_re...n+(VGA)/GeForce+GTX+fuer+Gaming/GTX+1080.html
 

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They all learned from Apple. People wanting your product and not being able to get it is a good thing at first, because coverage of the people queuing up or paying scalping prices on Ebay only increases the general consumer value of that product. There is a point where it hurt you because your customers go to a competitor, but it looks like Nvidia has six months to let that pot stew.

Yep, the best way to sell a product is to sell out of a product. The amount which is being purged at any given time doesn't matter near as much as that little "out of stock" sign and the amount which it's toggled. Newegg could literally retain stock and purge a few an hour as long as the card continually swings in and out of stock.

It also helps if an article is written on how 'fast' the GPU's are selling. The NVIDIA of late constantly reminds me of Apple fsor.
 

RussianSensation

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Prices includes VAT. And its 882$ with VAT.

Your point about taxes always misses the mark because as a consumer I cannot legally evade taxes. What it costs me to actually buy the card is what matters to me. If my country had 20%, 30%, 50% import/sales tax, that's what it would actually cost me to buy the card.

Right now this is what I am going to pay for a 1080 if I bought one:

($909.99 + $12 shipping) *1.13 tax / 1.30811 FX rate = $796 USD

There is no point discussing that VAT/taxes are included to try to obfuscate that I am being asked by NV to pay $800 USD for a next gen upper-mid-range 256-bit GDDR5X 314mm2 card. I don't find this acceptable knowing what happened with GTX980 -> 980Ti. There are also rumours that NV already tapped out the entire Pascal stack which means GP102 is ready to go in 2017 as soon as NV has milked the 1080. If I am spending $800 USD+ per a single card, at that point nothing less than AMD's/NV's true flagships of that generation will be satisfactory to me.

Canada Computers that has 32 stores in my province has 0 cards for sale. The only AIB card they have for pre-order isn't worth buying due to 5+1 VRM power phases and a single 8-pin connector.

Same story at NCIX Canada. 0 cards in stock, 0 AIB cards worth buying.

I found 6 FE cards in the city of Calgary at Memory Express. Every other 1080 is OOS and that includes the only AIB card worth buying at this store.

While it's not absolutely impossible to buy 1080 cards, the stock is pretty limited. Most importantly, imho FE card isn't worth buying even for $599 USD ($796 USD for us Canadians) since it'll run hotter, louder, has no 0 dBA idle fan operation and will on average overclock worse due to insufficient heatsink (unless one runs the fans at 80-100%). Right now, there are almost no good AIB cards for sale yet.

It's clear that NV rushed this launch. When MS/Sony/Nintendo do console launches, they spend 3-4 months building inventory so that once the first several batches of cards sell out, they can restock tens of thousands of more units on a daily basis. Compared to how those companies launch highly anticipated consoles, this launch is underwhelming as far as inventory management goes.

At the same time, some Russian YouTubers have been told that RX 480 won't show up in major Moscow stores until August. This suggests AMD may not fair much better with Polaris 10, but at least they have 1 month to start building up inventory to save face. Current rumoured prices for 1070 in Russia will be ~ $539 USD and for 1080 ~ $821 USD. That's far more than what 670/680 and GTX970/980 cost when they came out.

Either way, I hate paper launches, whether it's from Intel, AMD, NV, etc. Even though Apple's products sell out on launch, at least there the demand is absolutely insane (they can easily sell tens of millions in a month), so it's more forgivable/understandable.
 
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Vesku

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All indications are Nvidia launched the 1080 at least a month earlier than typical. From a mostly off the cuff launch announcement to the $100 reference card premium. A big US seller like Newegg only having a few thousand to sell is another indication.

I doubt Polaris 10 prompted this move. Adds some weight to the rumor that Vega 10 is ahead of schedule. Despite the R&D difference in favor of Nvidia an AMD card with 10-20% larger die and HBM2 will likely soundly outperform GP104.
 

Teizo

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Why anyone would want a Founders Edition card is beyond me to begin with, unless you are water cooling and need a reference based card for the water block. Otherwise, AIB cards are the cards to get.

And why people really care so much is beyond me as well. Hard launch, paper launch...big whoop. There is value in both depending on the situation.

Click bait driven faux drama....Learn to just say no.
 
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