And you're smart enough to know that the morals people hold via their religion have no place in the creation/enforcement of laws in this country.
You can call it bullying if it makes you feel better but really all it is is having the government provide equal rights and protections to all citizens of this country.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/gay-gro...-marry-to-win-rugby-trip-20140912-10fu3t.htmlBob McCoskrie, director of the conservative NZ lobby group Family First, said condemnation of the radio stunt by gay rights groups was ironic.
"This competition makes a mockery of marriage, but so did the redefining of marriage," he said. He described gay matrimony as "an arrogant act of cultural vandalism".
Let up on the poor strawman, you've beat the crap out of him enough for one day.
One thing I particularly admire TH threads for is that he has such an extreme case of the CBD that even some conservatives can see it. This is what it looks like when reality and the egotistical delusions of how they think the world should look collide.
Okay, I view it as morally sound to own slaves, so long as they are of a different race than I identify as superior. Society doesn't agree with this, so am I courageous by continuing my efforts to allow slavery?You're smarter than this...I know you are.
Don't drop down to obvious stupidity and hyperbole to make your point.
Makes it look as if you have no real, legit objection to my post...so you have to cite extreme examples.
Stop, please...you're smarter than this.
Really?
Tell me again why it is illegal to have a prostitute over and share some homemade whiskey?
If I want to pick up a $20 whore, bring her home, have her give me a blowjob while I sip on homemade moonshine, what business is it of the government?
But yet such activity is illegal.
Is it funny or ironic how you use as an example 2 religiously motivated laws?
Okay, I view it as morally sound to own slaves, so long as they are of a different race than I identify as superior. Society doesn't agree with this, so am I courageous by continuing my efforts to allow slavery?
Or, beat my wife.
Or, deny people access to public services based on any arbitrary preference they happen to be born with. Don't like the taste of sour over sweet? Banned. Don't happen to be of the same complexion, height, facial bone structure, hair type, whatever? Banned.
Thank you, but I stopped reading when you mentioned religion.
See post 55 above.
If what adults do in their bedroom is none of my business, why can't I bring a $20 whore home and share some homemade whiskey?
There are all kinds of laws that invade upon our privacy. But yet gays want special treatment?
Thank you, but I stopped reading when you mentioned religion.
See post 55 above.
If what adults do in their bedroom is none of my business, why can't I bring a $20 whore home and share some homemade whiskey?
There are all kinds of laws that invade upon our privacy. But yet gays want special treatment?
That is what gays want, right? They want their own rights but screw everyone else.
Wish you would have read the rest, only a few sentences. You should be able to buy a hooker, I have no problem with that. I have no problem with you making homemade whiskey (which I thought was legal as long as you're not selling it as Uncle Sam wants his tax money, could be wrong).
The logic that since you can't have what you feel should be your rights other groups shouldn't be able to have freedoms either is very odd to me. If we wait until one day an all encompassing law can be passed that makes everything perfect, we'll be waiting for a very long time. I'm sorry you can't buy a $20 hooker legally. I'm sorry I can't buy some things I enjoy and feel is a benefit to society legally in my state. :awe: () But just because I can't get what I want doesn't mean I need to hate other groups that are finally getting their way. That's childish.
Amen. Anything bad one can imagine from gay people is already here - it's no longer closeted behavior. It's like people who used to be outraged about gay people not being like straight people are now even more outraged that many gay people are more or less exactly like straight people, wanting the same things out of life.and yet regardless, here we are.
I can understand (if disagree with) why someone raised to by anti-gay marriage would still be anti gay marriage today... but I don't see the thought process where a 30 year-old today who supports gay marriage would find themselves at 50 being like "you know what, on second thought -- fuck those gay people. no more marriage for them."
we're on an inexorable slide toward support and normalcy of gay marriage. the more commonplace it becomes, the less reasons for kids brought up in that society to think of is as immoral like you do. the horse has left the barn.
+1that's true... just the other day I walked past a barren woman who was shunned by the whole village for her failure to bear children. they say a witch put a curse on her.
I'm confused as to exactly what you're advocating get marriage rights. Is that a sloth, or some sort of lemur?
Yes yes. Not allowing special recognition of same-sex relationships is exactly the same as beating your wife or forcing someone to pick your cotton
You want to know what the obvious difference is? You don't die if you don't get special recognition of your relationship.
Okay, I view it as morally sound to own slaves, so long as they are of a different race than I identify as superior. Society doesn't agree with this, so am I courageous by continuing my efforts to allow slavery?
Or, beat my wife.
Well said. The world will never be perfect, but that doesn't mean it can't get better.Wish you would have read the rest, only a few sentences. You should be able to buy a hooker, I have no problem with that. I have no problem with you making homemade whiskey (which I thought was legal as long as you're not selling it as Uncle Sam wants his tax money, could be wrong).
The logic that since you can't have what you feel should be your rights other groups shouldn't be able to have freedoms either is very odd to me. If we wait until one day an all encompassing law can be passed that makes everything perfect, we'll be waiting for a very long time. I'm sorry you can't buy a $20 hooker legally. I'm sorry I can't buy some things I enjoy and feel is a benefit to society legally in my state. :awe: () But just because I can't get what I want doesn't mean I need to hate other groups that are finally getting their way. That's childish.
No, that's not what they want.
Moron.
Like I said, this shows why you have no logical, legit rebuttal. Saying that people who see marriage as only between as man and woman is the same as saying owning humans and raping children are ok is why you're looking silly.
Well, I see promoting SSM is the same as allowing pedo's to marry their 13 male victims?
Yeah, though not.
This is precisely what you're doing...making bad apple to asteroids comparisons.
As long as you bring religion into this debate I will refuse to address your post.
I leave religion out of my post, I would like you do do the same when addressing my post.
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You make even the bigoted toaster lover seem sane. Or a lot saner, at any rate.
You mean allowing exclusion of same-sex relationships? And, this was about what you find morally acceptable VS what society as a whole finds acceptable. One can find it morally corrupt to consume ketchup past the age of 8, but they don't go around trying to masquerade it as not being ketchup bias and they sure don't try and make it a law to not consume it. We can't have adults eating what was traditionally created as a sweet condiment to coerce children into eating things! What's next? Adults eating popsicles?
You want to know the difference? One group gets to visit their loved ones, whom they've spent their entire life with, in dying in the hospital. The other does not. One group gets to adopt and raise kids without parents. The other, nope.
And, you still haven't produced a single, logical reason why same sex marriage is bad for society.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/saletan/...e_and_interracial_marriage_are_different.htmlJust because I dont agree with an argument, however, doesnt mean its irrational. Marriage has historically been a sexual institution. A rational person can maintain that a relationship between two people categorically incapable of producing children togetherthat is, two people of the same sexcant be a marriage. That argument doesnt justify denying them the right to love one another openly, nor does it justify denying them the benefits and honors we bestow on couples for making lifetime commitments. But it can justify a persons refusal to accept a same-sex relationship as a marriage.
If you do not respect and uphold my privacy rights, why should I respect and uphold yours?
Nobody is equating the examples, except you. I am equating the moral stances you have that are against societies moral stances (and, all of them were stances that have changed to from what I said, to what they are now).
Bull crap.
Gays want to be able to do what they want in the privacy of their homes.
But if my wife and I want to make some extra money off craigs list, we are out of luck. What about our privacy?
Living an immoral lifestyle should not be a civil right. This is something you decide to do.
And, not be a stickler, but gay people aren't fighting for the right to be gay in their own homes. They already have that; and trust me, they are enjoying it right as you read this. They are fighting to the rights afforded in marriage, to which they are banned from for simply being gay.