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himkhan

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Get serious.

Your still 22 behind a 2 week span in Detroit.

Cry harder.

Crying? LOLZ. That's your job TexasChick. You pull a new tampon out every day while crying about TexasShockSyndrome. Whaaaaaa :'(

Now get back in the kitchen and make me another sandwich bitch.
 

TheSlamma

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Please explain these "express passes", because I would like to have one.

Having to provide id and going through a background check is a pain. I wish gun rights were treated the same as voter rights.
Go to a gun show moron
 

lozina

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Oh come on we all know the 2nd amendment is just an archaic relic from a long by-gone era. The government will take care of us so we don't need guns in this day and age. In fact we don't need free speech anymore either. The government always does what's right so why should we need the right to criticize them? It really doesn't make any sense. In fact we can look at stats and find that the countries with most totalitarian regimes have the least amount of homicides. All this freedom is causing too many deaths. Personally, I can't wait until cars are banned as that is the biggest killer of them all.
 

Texashiker

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So you knew one of the answers you were yet again just trolling as you normally do?

I have been to lots of gun shows. That was the first time I had heard of a gun show not allowing private sales.

You explain to me how private sales has anything to do with crime.

Keep in mind federal law requires felons caught with firearms to serve a minimum amount of time in prison. Why are criminals not being prosecuted for gun procession?
 

TheSlamma

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I have been to lots of gun shows. That was the first time I had heard of a gun show not allowing private sales.

You explain to me how private sales has anything to do with crime.

Keep in mind federal law requires felons caught with firearms to serve a minimum amount of time in prison. Why are criminals not being prosecuted for gun procession?
How do the police know when a felon has a gun besides when they are arrested for another crime? what Texashiker secret police detection tactics would you use to get all the others who are not breaking the law in any other way and keeping their weapons concealed illegally?
 

Zodiark1593

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I just gave you a plan, complete socialization of our healthcare.

All hospitals would government owned.

All nurses and doctors would be government employees.

All medical research would belong to the state and the people.

We would save billions right off the bat by ending profiteering. Take the billions that would go to profit, ceos, board of directors, stock holders,,, etc, and give that money to the people via services.

EDIT

How would we pay for this? End corporate welfare.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/26/us-usa-tax-corporate-idUSBREA1P04Q20140226
I'd be onboard with socialized healthcare if our government were actually proven competent. However, they've proven the contrary.

What the government should do is run their own nationwide health insurance company, and compete with the private companies. If the federal insurance Co. is a half decent option, more people will buy into it and put money into things like Medicare. If the government does a poor job, you have many other private companies to choose from. A more capitalistic approach that gives people the choice based on services and price, not strong arming everyone into a socialist system.
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fskimospy

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I'd be onboard with socialized healthcare if our government were actually proven competent. However, they've proven the contrary.

What the government should do is run their own nationwide health insurance company, and compete with the private companies. If the federal insurance Co. is a half decent option, more people will buy into it and put money into things like Medicare. If the government does a poor job, you have many other private companies to choose from. A more capitalistic approach that gives people the choice based on services and price, not strong arming everyone into a socialist system.
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We tried that, it was shot down as socialism.

I find it interesting that so many people in America think that our country is the best country on Earth, yet is somehow uniquely incompetent at governing itself or running programs. We could run a national health system just fine, although there's no need to have a US version of the NHS. We should just have Medicare for everyone, in effect.

Not to mention the fact that huge swaths of every modern society are socialized and everyone is fine with it. We've socialized our infrastructure, our police, our fire departments, etc, etc. Nobody seems to mind that, so why mind health care?
 

SlowSpyder

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I know people that lean left and right, almost none of them are for more gun control. I agree with them.
 

smackababy

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1. Open community colleges in low income housing areas. Make attendance mandatory for anyone living in public housing. Provide people on welfare with a clear path out of poverty.
How does this help reduce crime or even help those who want to be educated? Forcing everyone in means you get a good amount of people who show up simply because they have to, and it lowers the overall effectiveness of the learning environment. This happens in public schools quite often. A couple class clowns can disrupt the learning environment pretty easily and since they have to be their, we can't kick them out.

2. Make mental health services free to the public, regardless of income levels. We as a society need to remove the stigma from mental health. If someone has a problem, society as a whole needs to address said problem.
The stigma of mental health problems isn't the only issue. If someone is crazy, do they think they are crazy? Are we going to, in the efforts to reduce violent crime, allow people to be recommended to mental health facilities and involuntarily checked in?

3. End school bullying. Establish a national awareness program to end bullying.

The path is clear, we either address mental health, or we continue to deal with shootings like Sandy hook and Aurora Colorado.

You do realize that vast majority of gun deaths aren't from incidents like Sandy Hook and Aurora, right? If we combine all the school shootings together since Columbine, we don't get enough deaths for 1% of a single average year.
 

moonbogg

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People don't care about guns enough to change anything. Also, now is a great time to buy guns, and especially ammo. After the next massacre of helpless school children, you would be sure to turn a nice profit on that ammo when the next panic sets in. My only real question is, and this is an honest one, what will it take? I would stop there, but I will speculate.
Here is what it would take to actually do something about guns.

A school massacre every month, with at least 15 kids dying and many more wounded. Every month it would have to happen. High schools wouldn't work. It has to be little kids because high school kids are too much like adults. It doesn't tug at the heart strings of sick gun nutters enough to bring about change.
In addition, it would require widespread, random gun killing in the streets in just about every city everywhere, killing thousands every day across the nation, before heartless gun nutters decide that THEIR safety is finally at risk, so now something would have to be done.
There, that should do it after about 20 years of chaos like this. It would take patience, because change doesn't come quick, and gun nutters don't let go easily.
 

Nebor

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People don't care about guns enough to change anything. Also, now is a great time to buy guns, and especially ammo. After the next massacre of helpless school children, you would be sure to turn a nice profit on that ammo when the next panic sets in. My only real question is, and this is an honest one, what will it take? I would stop there, but I will speculate.
Here is what it would take to actually do something about guns.

A school massacre every month, with at least 15 kids dying and many more wounded. Every month it would have to happen. High schools wouldn't work. It has to be little kids because high school kids are too much like adults. It doesn't tug at the heart strings of sick gun nutters enough to bring about change.
In addition, it would require widespread, random gun killing in the streets in just about every city everywhere, killing thousands every day across the nation, before heartless gun nutters decide that THEIR safety is finally at risk, so now something would have to be done.
There, that should do it after about 20 years of chaos like this. It would take patience, because change doesn't come quick, and gun nutters don't let go easily.

That's quite a fantasy you have there.
 

moonbogg

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That's quite a fantasy you have there.

Guns don't kill people. People WITH guns kill people. Also, the whole world should do a gun buy back program for the US. About 100 trillion dollars should cover it. We're screwed.
 

smackababy

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columbine for starters.

Do you believe it is so hard to obtain guns by illegitimate means that removing all gun show sales would stop people from obtaining them for violent acts?

The widespread availability of firearms in the US isn't going to be fixed by blocking private (at gun show) sales. Nor, is banning them altogether. It is estimated there are enough guns in the US for every man, woman, and child to be armed with one.
 

moonbogg

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Do you believe it is so hard to obtain guns by illegitimate means that removing all gun show sales would stop people from obtaining them for violent acts?

The widespread availability of firearms in the US isn't going to be fixed by blocking private (at gun show) sales. Nor, is banning them altogether. It is estimated there are enough guns in the US for every man, woman, and child to be armed with one.

If guns were banned, then the only people who would have them are criminals, like drug dealers and people like that. That's a good thing, because most of the shootings that take place are people who weren't criminals, that is, until they shot up a bunch of kids.
When's the last time a crime boss, drug dealer, or even your average thug burglar busted into a school, movie theater or naval base and shot the damn place up? They haven't. Those were law abiding people who did those things who had easy access to guns.
 

BUnit1701

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If guns were banned, then the only people who would have them are criminals, like drug dealers and people like that. That's a good thing, because most of the shootings that take place are people who weren't criminals, that is, until they shot up a bunch of kids.
When's the last time a crime boss, drug dealer, or even your average thug burglar busted into a school, movie theater or naval base and shot the damn place up? They haven't. Those were law abiding people who did those things who had easy access to guns.

Liberal logic. Gotta love it.

SO, by your reasoning, criminals with guns are just hard working guys trying to make ends meet, but an average citizen with a gun is just a time bomb waiting to go off?
 
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