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BoberFett

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I think over 90% of all people are bad (evil) people. And the remaining 10% are good people who are holding the world together. Which runs counter to the average person in the U.S. and probably the world like the posters here who think 1% to 20% of people are bad. That's my estimation of what most of you think in that regard to bad people.

So consider Trump's outrageous comments about Mexican undocumented (illegal) migrants. If he gets eletcted by a majority popular vote as well as electoral vote in Nov of next year, then wouldn't this show that my theory may be correct?

If you believe 90% of people are bad, then aren't you saying that Trump is right and that most immigrants are in fact bad?

LOL, "liberal" fail.
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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To win the presidency you need an ace in the hole that when you talk about on TV, the country agrees with you. Obama won with economic meltdown and obamacare.

Trump is trying to win with Immigration, but the issue is not a willy horton yet, not yet anyways! But if he finds an issue that the 1975+ crowd and minorities care about.. he will win.

It's also why I'm not terribly excited about Hillary.. she doesn't excite me.
 

SlickSnake

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May 29, 2007
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To win the presidency you need an ace in the hole that when you talk about on TV, the country agrees with you. Obama won with economic meltdown and obamacare.

Trump is trying to win with Immigration, but the issue is not a willy horton yet, not yet anyways! But if he finds an issue that the 1975+ crowd and minorities care about.. he will win.

It's also why I'm not terribly excited about Hillary.. she doesn't excite me.

I guess she didn't terribly excite Bill, either, or Monica wouldn't have been a thing at the time.
 

smackababy

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Oct 30, 2008
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Does it make people bad to agree with Donald Trump? I don't think so. I think people are simply apathetic enough to agree with a scapegoat being put forth for their problems. I don't think everyone in Germany in the 1935-1945 were evil. They were having a hard time and willing to accept a scapegoat.

That probably highlights a real issue: when things get bad enough, people are more willing to accept a "strong leader" who points out a problem, even if it isn't really the cause.
 

Nebor

Lifer
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Does it make people bad to agree with Donald Trump? I don't think so. I think people are simply apathetic enough to agree with a scapegoat being put forth for their problems. I don't think everyone in Germany in the 1935-1945 were evil. They were having a hard time and willing to accept a scapegoat.

That probably highlights a real issue: when things get bad enough, people are more willing to accept a "strong leader" who points out a problem, even if it isn't really the cause.

And if that plays into long-standing prejudices, so much the better.
 

feralkid

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Jan 28, 2002
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Mexico has huge rates of illegal power taps on their electric grid. Near their largest city, Mexico City also holds roughly 20% of the population, and the electric theft rates are even higher than estimated by this study, which is an average across all of Mexico. In 2011 it was a 16.7% theft rate. However, in the sprawling and enormous slums of Mexico city, nearly every single electric hookup is an illegal one.

http://www.jsg.utexas.edu/lacp/files/2013-E1.pdf

Meanwhile, in the vast slums of Mexico City, where 20% of the population of Mexico live, there is virtually no sewage treatment, and people are simply discharging raw sewage all over their streets, since they have no other way to dispose of it. In fact, 90% of the municipal wastewater is untreated from Mexico City, and 95% of industrial waste is dumped untreated into this same wastewater. Then this raw sewage is flows directly back into the rivers and streams, which flow back into lakes and the oceans.

http://water.tkk.fi/wr/tutkimus/glob/publications/Haapala/pdf-files/CASE STUDY OF MEXICO CITY.pdf

And a lot of this raw sewage is diverted straight to the fields and the crops, which are grown and contaminated with deadly bacteria, and sent back to the USA.



And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Based on these observations alone, it's pretty clear the government there either can't (not enough money) or won't (endemic and systemic corruption) to properly provide for their people, and they would like nothing better than to dump endless streams of disenfranchised people across their borders with the USA.

Would you like me to also link their horrendous jail statistics? Clearly, the government there has no capacity to even provide the basic services people require to properly survive. While its true their healthcare is practically free, it is bare bones and people regularly die of such common things as childbirth just because of a total lack of medical care and the fact so many births are at home.

So its no wonder that with an enormous influx of illegal aliens, we then get the same sort of behavior they bring over from Mexico. They try to hook up power illegally, they dump waste and trash where ever they see fit, they destroy empty houses to steal copper and other metals where ever they can just to recycle it, they steal our cars by the millions just to drive back to Mexico so they can launder the titles in other countries, and the long list of the ways they come over here and violate the laws in the USA just goes on and on and on.

While it may be true that not all of the illegal aliens are DOCUMENTED criminals, the fact is, MOST of them are used to a life of crime and corruption which is necessary just to survive in Mexico (and other South American countries) so it's no wonder they come to the USA and attempt the same sort of behaviors over here, now is it?

Another one jumps the shark.

 

1prophet

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I believe Archie Bunker was these people's hero.
Ironic isn't it, when Archie Bunker was on network TV somehow Democrats and Republicans were able to work together, unions were in vogue, you could support a family on one salary, college was affordable, you could work your way up the ladder by perseverance and hard work, nobody felt you up before you boarded a plane, in order to socialize you had to talk not text, pensions were still popular along with one job till retirement, men were walking on the moon and people believed that we would be among the stars by now,

yet with the lack of today's political correctness or people having to walk on eggshells before they spoke in order not to offend anyone and society allowing TV shows like that to air,

almost no one would have voted for an Archie Bunker type back then and would have laughed at the thought of it alone.
 

werepossum

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Ironic isn't it, when Archie Bunker was on network TV somehow Democrats and Republicans were able to work together, unions were in vogue, you could support a family on one salary, college was affordable, you could work your way up the ladder by perseverance and hard work, nobody felt you up before you boarded a plane, in order to socialize you had to talk not text, pensions were still popular along with one job till retirement, men were walking on the moon and people believed that we would be among the stars by now,

yet with the lack of today's political correctness or people having to walk on eggshells before they spoke in order not to offend anyone and society allowing TV shows like that to air,

almost no one would have voted for an Archie Bunker type back then and would have laughed at the thought of it alone.
That's a damned good point. Now half the news is about assholes who are famous simply for being famous and tons of people are demanding their own right to be assholes. We got political correctness, we lost civility and common sense.
 

MongGrel

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Ironic isn't it, when Archie Bunker was on network TV somehow Democrats and Republicans were able to work together, unions were in vogue, you could support a family on one salary, college was affordable, you could work your way up the ladder by perseverance and hard work, nobody felt you up before you boarded a plane, in order to socialize you had to talk not text, pensions were still popular along with one job till retirement, men were walking on the moon and people believed that we would be among the stars by now,

yet with the lack of today's political correctness or people having to walk on eggshells before they spoke in order not to offend anyone and society allowing TV shows like that to air,

almost no one would have voted for an Archie Bunker type back then and would have laughed at the thought of it alone.

I agree, to an extent, but things have changed of course, for the better or worse so be it I suppose.

Trump sure isn't an Archie Bunker type.
 

GagHalfrunt

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It's an indication that our government is broken and sucks.

That. The Democrats suck, the established Republicans suck, I think people are viewing Trump as "why not? he can't be any worse than the rest of them".

I also think some of his "support" is also a goof, people backing him just to keep him in the race for entertainment value knowing he's too crazy to win. If it ever came down to the point where he had an actual chance I think they'd jump ship and go for whoever looked less likely to get us into a nuclear war.
 

BonzaiDuck

Lifer
Jun 30, 2004
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It would be useful to trace this going back to a time when the only broadcast media was radio, and the only other media was newsprint.

Certain "thinkers" like sociologist Harold Laswell and journalist Walter Lippmann were trying to anticipate the impact broadcast media would have on mass-psychology. If you prefer, call us all "the great unwashed." There were concerns about new ideologies put in practice after the Revolution of 1917. Someone -- maybe Laswell -- speculated that it might be necessary to stage the assassination of this or that leader in some nation-state, for the very purpose of fabricating a story that most of a target audience would likely believe.

The potential for mass-media became apparent with Orson Welles' famous "War of the Worlds" broadcast of 1938:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/mars/wow.htm

Also, around that time, a young journalist from an Indianapolis newspaper was visiting the Fuhrer and propaganda-minister Josef Goebbels at a Nuremburg rally. His name was Richard Helms. But in the wider picture of things, Helms was still a bit player; the career of interest at CIA during the 50s would be that of Helms' own supervisor -- Frank Wisner, Sr. -- who created something known affectionately as "The Great Wurlitzer." At that time, Wisner could call up any of a number of news organs around the world, and have any story (within reason) published.

The techniques developed by a group of research sociologists and psychologists salted away in American universities after the war eventually filtered out into the world of advertising.

There are some myths that need breaking for average people. One of them is that propaganda campaigns that include deception cannot flourish in a pluralistic media: that they can only be effective in a closed society. On the contrary, they can be more effective, because a pluralistic media is a more challenging laboratory.

Going through the '50s, '60s and '70s, there were only a few exceptions to a norm of civility in political debate and media comment. There were the three or four basic broadcast TV networks. Even with the advent of cable, most people who gave up OTA media broadcasts did so slowly over time.

But the internet changed the game. Cell-phone cameras changed it more. Social media changed it more yet. We have lost a sense of civility in political discourse, and everybody has an opinion; everybody inserts themselves glad to be in a spotlight; and while not everyone is taking Jockey-shorts selfies like former Congressman Wiener, the litany of stunts, scandals and silliness abounds.

So I've said it before. There IS a mass-psychology. There IS an average-of-the-mass. But now, everybody is in the game. You have one mass-murderer after another climbing on the bandwagon of the one preceding. Even the Ferguson riots demonstrate something new compared to the older history of the civil rights movement.

And it is probably showing the underbelly of the American character. That's my only explanation for it.
 

SlickSnake

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Another one jumps the shark.


No, I was merely pointing out the facts behind the basic truth about what Trump said about a lot of illegal aliens being criminals. Because in many of these countries they come from you literally have to be a criminal to some degree to just survive in them, or even just to travel through them. And I'm also sure most of you posting have never actually driven all the way through a country like Mexico on multiple occasions and had to bribe cops at random road stops multiple times along the way just to keep from getting detained, searched and arrested for no reason other than you refused to pay a bribe to pass the roadblock. Which is pretty much the way it was in the late 70's. I can only hope that travel through Mexico has improved since then. But I kind of doubt it.
 
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werepossum

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No, I was merely pointing out the facts behind the basic truth about what Trump said about a lot of illegal aliens being criminals. Because in many of these countries they come from you literally have to be a criminal to some degree to just survive in them, or even just to travel through them. And I'm also sure most of you posting have never actually driven all the way through a country like Mexico on multiple occasions and had to bribe cops at random road stops multiple times along the way just to keep from getting detained, searched and arrested for no reason other than you refused to pay a bribe to pass the roadblock. Which is pretty much the way it was in the late 70's. I can only hope that travel through Mexico has improved since then. But I kind of doubt it.
Well said, but I think one fallacy with this is Trump's saying that "maybe some of them are good people." You make good points about the bad things inherent in taking in a large number of people who accept that kind of behavior, but that doesn't necessarily make them bad people, just people used to accepting corruption in government. Yes, there are many, many very bad people among illegal aliens who don't need to be here, but there are plenty who, if we could control our borders, could be assimilated to the nation's benefit.
 

LightPattern

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Replace bad with stupid...
This. Most people are dumb and selfish.
Beyond those things most people I've encountered aren't "evil."

That. The Democrats suck, the established Republicans suck, I think people are viewing Trump as "why not? he can't be any worse than the rest of them".

I also think some of his "support" is also a goof, people backing him just to keep him in the race for entertainment value knowing he's too crazy to win. If it ever came down to the point where he had an actual chance I think they'd jump ship and go for whoever looked less likely to get us into a nuclear war.

I think most who are supporting Trump at this point are "doing it for the lulz."
If Trump gets elected, it shows the US electoral system is broken.
 
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HomerJS

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People complain about Trump disparaging people. Taken a listen to recordings of LBJ and Nixon in the Oval Office. They sound just like Trump.
 
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