Supposed "perpetual motion" device

[titanmiller]

First off let me stat that I think that this is some kind of hoax.
I dont know how to explain it but you have to see it for yourself and see what you think. Link
It is not a perpetual motion machine, but it is susposed to be able to produce upto 1000Watts of power 24 hours per day for 10 years by running a generator off of the batteries that it charges.
Read up

Quote: "There are a couple of other major factors that we won?t go into here, suffice it to say that our current prototype demonstrates 1500% more ?out? than ?in?... "

Edit: Fixed the link

 

[zsouthboy]

The link doesn't work for me....

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: titanmiller
First off let me stat that I think that this is some kind of hoax.
I dont know how to explain it but you have to see it for yourself and see what you think. Link
It is not a perpetual motion machine, but it is susposed to be able to produce upto 1000Watts of power 24 hours per day for 10 years by running a generator off of the batteries that it charges.
Read up

Quote: "There are a couple of other major factors that we won?t go into here, suffice it to say that our current prototype demonstrates 1500% more ?out? than ?in?... "

The part in bold was all I needed to hear.

Andy

 

[PrinceXizor]

That's typical marketing hype. Let's assume that this machine works...what this statement probably means than is that they get more electrical energy out, than the electrical energy they are putting in. Of course, this happens all the time at a power plant (control circuitry runs on electricity, etc.). But this thing smacks of a hoax. Anyone who truly created a machine like this would quickly sell it for serious jack. Not post weblinks.


P-X

 

[titanmiller]

Bump for a fixed link

 

[PrinceXizor]

Bogus...totally bogus. I should know, Myself and a friend DO work on high output, electromagnetic devices and HAVE worked on high-tech systems that are designed to prolong battery life (much of it proprietary to our company using advanced materials). But you CANNOT get "free" electricity from a device that functions soley on electromagnetic principles.

A couple of things.

AC/DC conversion are HIGHLY inefficient. This is TOTALLY glossed over and is the #1 issue in any system that promised "free" electricity.

There is no "small charge" to generate the rotationl dynamics discussed. The magnets that induce rotation must be cycled, and cycling energy like that is not "small" nor "insignificant".

There are many more issues as well.

As far as the "patents" are concerned.

There is no way in hell that all of the patent applications were filed on the same day as listed on his webpage. Also, all the "patents" listed seem to be preliminary patent applications. No "patents" have been granted for this device.

Last, but certainly not least...

Let's assume they DO have a working model. There would be no shortage of investors that would sell their soul to invest in this device. They would need no money, they would have full fledged utility patents pending in MAJOR countries and they CERTAINLY would not be posting a website that even hinted at such things (the real danger to their life and liberty would be paramount).

All in all, a nice hoax.

P-X

 

[Cadaver]

This guy's one big Quack. If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck....

 

[kaizersose]

People have been making claims about building tesla free energy machines for years. Cant get somethin from nothin.

 

[Webthug]

I'd say that it would be dificult to tell on this bloke weather he has a larger boner or a larger ego... Inside the limitations of modern physics it would be impossible to build machienes that CREATE energy. A primary law of science is that energy CAN NOT be made or destroyed. It can Only be transformed from one form into another matter included (and for the less advanced physisists matter also is a form of energy... ie if we recalculate our counting system so that the speed of light is equal to 1 then E=mc^2 then c^2 is equal to one thus Mass equals energy)

Thus a perpetual motion device will only ever apear perpetual, but it must be using a form of energy to maintain this motion.

 

[Jeff7]

Only Professor Farnsworth in Futurama could produce such a thing - his dark matter engines have afterburners which deliver 200% fuel efficiency.


From the site:
"Add to all that better computer security, personal security, more heating, more disposable income, more cooling, more appliances purchased because it costs nothing to run them."
Computer security? What, hackers are breaking in through the power lines now?

Personal security? Yeah, it's a little known fact that the power company can track and ID each electron sent from their generators. The database required to keep track of them contains about 30 billion hard drives, and the log only goes back a microsecond.

So, the thing charges its own batteries, and then runs off of them? I guess they've 1) eliminated friction and 2) created a 100% leak-free battery.
If they want tests done, they can feel free to send me a prototype. I bet that they would decline.

 

[Shalmanese]

Personal security - it's a little known fact that the power company can track and ID each electron sent from their generators. The database required to keep track of them contains about 30 billion hard drives, and the log only goes back a microsecond.

bwahaha!

 

[screw3d]

Wowww... a pile of BS soooo high that you can sculpt statues of clowns out of it

 

[Fencer128]

Why are we inundadted with "perpetual motion" threads of late?

We need a sticky that says "please read up on the illogical aspects of perpetual motion, as mentioned in every other perpetual motion thread, before posting"



Andy

 

[AbsolutDealage]

Originally posted by: Fencer128
Why are we inundadted with "perpetual motion" threads of late?

We need a sticky that says "please read up on the illogical aspects of perpetual motion, as mentioned in every other perpetual motion thread, before posting"



Andy

"Do not post troubleshooting or perpetual motion questions here"

 

[dmw16]

That electron tracking thing, dude, you need to lay off the drugs. Or go take a few science classes. (Damn Liberal Arts majors).
-doug

 

[PowerEngineer]

Originally posted by: Shalmanese

Personal security - it's a little known fact that the power company can track and ID each electron sent from their generators. The database required to keep track of them contains about 30 billion hard drives, and the log only goes back a microsecond.

bwahaha!

Oh my god! It's scary to think that there are people gullable enough to believe this kind of trash. Even scarier to think that these people might also vote in elections...

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: PowerEngineer

Originally posted by: Shalmanese

Personal security - it's a little known fact that the power company can track and ID each electron sent from their generators. The database required to keep track of them contains about 30 billion hard drives, and the log only goes back a microsecond.

bwahaha!

Oh my god! It's scary to think that there are people gullable enough to believe this kind of trash. Even scarier to think that these people might also vote in elections...

Just so everyone knows, I added that bit in there about personal security. Seems some people think it came from the article or something. Minor edit in order...

 

[lchyi]

My hamster is my perpetual motion machine.

 

[sao123]

One thing that is noteworthy...This thing is not a perpetual motion device.

Is a magnet itself a perpetual motion machine? It creates a magnetic field which induces a force on any net charged/metallic particle placed within its boudaries. This isnt free energy....this magnet would not exist in this form with out lots of energy having been put into it. This energy was used for the creation, storage & imprint of the magnet field itself onto this piece of metal now called a magnet... This guy is now harnessing the stored power of the magnets (potential energy source).


My real quirrel with the devices is the RPM's would have to be unrealistically high to work as it claims.

 

[Shalmanese]

magnets are not perpetual motion machines. there are NO perpetual motion machines, ergo, magnets are NOT perpetual motion machines.

 

[grant2]

Originally posted by: sao123
One thing that is noteworthy...This thing is not a perpetual motion device.

Is a magnet itself a perpetual motion machine? It creates a magnetic field which induces a force on any net charged/metallic particle placed within its boudaries. This isnt free energy....this magnet would not exist in this form with out lots of energy having been put into it. This energy was used for the creation, storage & imprint of the magnet field itself onto this piece of metal now called a magnet... This guy is now harnessing the stored power of the magnets (potential energy source).


My real quirrel with the devices is the RPM's would have to be unrealistically high to work as it claims.

So in 30 years we'll end up with MPEC: the Opec of magnets? Environmentalists will be bemoaning the imending exhaustion of our magnet reserves?

I can't wait to see how this deal spins out... either it silently dies as a farce, or it becomes a big hit.

 

[owensdj]

sao123, that's what I was thinking too. They might have come up with a way to use the force exerted by permanent magnets to generate electricity. I know when I was a kid I used to play with strong permanent magnets and notice how much energy it took from my arms to hold them close together but not quite touching. If it takes energy to hold them apart, it seems to make sense that energy can be generated.

 

[DML1001]

This site is nothing but utter bullshit.

The people who wrote this crap aren't even good at coming up with a hoax. Here is my favorite quote:

"Let?s say we hang a ten kilo weight off a permanent magnet butted to a steel roofing beam, and that the only thing holding the permanent magnet to the steel beam is the magnetism. Now let?s do the same thing, but this time with an electro-magnet which requires a constant electrical input to maintain its magnetic qualities.

Let?s say we leave them both there for ten years?

They will both perform the same task, that of holding the ten kilos off the floor. The electro-magnet, however, has needed to be fuelled by electricity provided by a generator of some kind - it could be hydro, nuclear, wind, solar, coal or oil - and has cost a large amount in terms of energy. Much work (in the scientific sense) has been done to provide the constant electric current necessary to maintain its magnetic hold on the steel girder."

LOL!

By the same arguement, a piece of string can generate an infinite amount of energy, since it too can hold a brick off the ground for ten years!

Anyway, these people obviously have NO CLUE what they are talking about. Work in the scientific sense??? Work is defined as the integral of force dotted with displacement, so in their example, NO WORK AT ALL is being done. In their example, everything is static, there is no movement, and work being done at all.

 

[PowerEngineer]

Just so everyone knows, I added that bit in there about personal security. Seems some people think it came from the article or something. Minor edit in order...

Oooops! My mistake for not actually reading through everything on that site.

Anyway... It seems that there is sometimes confusion in these discussions over the difference between "force" and "energy". A force (like those of a gravitational, electric, or magnetic field) do NOT produce energy by themselves. The force has to applied over a distance (i.e. work = force x distance). As I sit here, the force of gravity is firmly forcing my buttocks into the chair -- but there is no movement, no "distance" -- so no energy is being released. Now if I happen to tip my chair over, then gravity will "force" me to fall the 2 feet to the floor thereby releasing energy (energy = m x g x h).

So all of this talk about permanent magnets as the source of energy miss the point that some sort of motion is required. That permanent magnet used to produce the magnetic field must be spun so that the changing magnetic flux induces voltage in the coils, and it's that spinning that takes energy. And (not surprisingly) the amount of energy required to keep the permanent magnet spinning increases as you draw more current from the coils to serve loads. Congratulations! We've just covered the basic theory of your everyday electrical generator. The electrical generator is not a source of energy; it transforms energy (from water falling down heights, from steam, from wind, etc.) into electricity so that it can be easily transported and delivered, where it is again converted into something useful (like heat, light, motion, etc.). There is no "free lunch" when it comes to energy.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: DML1001
This site is nothing but utter bullshit.

By the same arguement, a piece of string can generate an infinite amount of energy, since it too can hold a brick off the ground for ten years!

Two good points.