Last union job I worked at was a 12 hour shift with 30 days on and 4 off until the job was done. No eight hour days, no weekends, no holidays, no vacation (if you had a v day scheduled during a job you didn't go on that job and waited for the next one to start after your return months later), dont even think about getting sick or you'll never be put on another job. Fucking unions ROCK!!!!Heh, just wait 'til eight hour work days, weekends off, holidays, vacation days, sick leave, maternity leave, medical benefits and the right to negotiate fair wages that unions have bargained for in blood
I always find it fascinating that conservatives seem to recognize concentration of power in employees as a market distortion but never seem to recognize concentration of power in employers as the exact same thing. It’s like an economic Stockholm syndrome.
What an ironically dumb example. Singapore is one of the richest nations on earth. The only problem they have with cheap labor is doing exactly what your ilk advocates for right here- entice in cheap illegal foreign labor and turn whole sectors of their economy into "Jobs Singaporeans won't do".
Your hypothetical company need not leave the US to chop its labor costs.
Just set up sweatshop in your "Sanctuary City" (READ: cheap illegal labor free for all zone) and have at it.
Then get loons like you to berate American citizens about how lazy the are because they won't work 16 hours, 7 days a week, for $1.20 per hour.
It's hilarious to see the cheap illegal labor cheerleaders on the left whine about wages!
Fuck off. Your ilk has been doing all it can to allow fatcats to undermine labor for years. Never met a labor or immigration law you didn't want ignored so long as it greases the illegal labor racket.
Office Space said:Peter Gibbons: You're gonna lay off Samir and Michael?
Bob Slydell: Oh yeah, we're gonna bring in some entry-level graduates, farm some work out to Singapore, that's the usual deal.
Bob Porter: Standard operating procedure.
Peter Gibbons: Do they know this yet?
Bob Slydell: No. No, of course not. We find it's always better to fire people on a Friday. Studies have statistically shown that there's less chance of an incident if you do it at the end of the week.
I always find it fascinating that conservatives seem to recognize concentration of power in employees as a market distortion but never seem to recognize concentration of power in employers as the exact same thing. It’s like an economic Stockholm syndrome.
I always find it fascinating that conservatives seem to recognize concentration of power in employees as a market distortion but never seem to recognize concentration of power in employers as the exact same thing. It’s like an economic Stockholm syndrome.
Although there have been several immigration laws affecting employment in the last 60 years or so, the major law describing the responsibilities of employers was the Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) of 1986. The major provisions of this law:
- Require employers to document the work eligibility status of all employees
- Make it illegal to knowingly hire illegal workers, and
- Prohibit discrimination against any individual who is legally able to work in the U.S. (except for illegal aliens) in the matter of hiring and recruitment.
What California saysHow Can I Protect Against an Immigration Violation?
Some steps that business owners can take in order to prevent immigration hiring violations may include:
- Completing thorough checks of employee credentials.
- Studying immigration and employment documents, so you can spot fakes easier.
- Conforming with the various immigration hiring policies, especially the computerized E-Verify requirements.
- Reporting any suspicious activity immediately—this will help you protect yourself and your business from violations.
- Hiring a lawyer if you are unsure of a certain applicant or document.
AB-450
, the Immigrant Labor Protection Act, deals specifically with the workplace. It bars employers from granting federal officials access to a workplace or employment records unless the authorities have a subpoena or warrant. Employers must also warn workers if their records are being reviewed by federal officials.
What Are the Penalties for Hiring an Illegal Immigrant?
Hiring illegal immigrants can lead to many severe penalties, such as:
Most fines are broken down to the following:
- Criminal and civil fines
- Loss of business licenses
This does not include “harboring” illegal immigrants, or employing ten or more illegal immigrants in one year. Harboring an illegal immigrant can lead to ten years of prison time.
- First offenders can be fined $250-$2,000 per illegal employee.
- For a second offense, the fine is $2,000-$5,000 per illegal employee.
- Three or more offenses can cost an employer $3000-$10,000 per illegal employee. A pattern of knowingly employing illegal immigrants can mean extra fines and up to six months in jail for an employer.
Additionally, employers should be aware of the Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act. Employers can be sued under the act for hiring illegal immigrants, and can face large settlement deals.
The lawfully documented workers of the Zirkle Fruit Company recently settled a class action lawsuit brought under RICO. The suit alleged that their employer knowingly hired undocumented workers, driving down their wages.
Probably just as fascinating as liberals who demand living wages, labor laws, safety laws, etc. but then turn around and tell businesses that they must not reveal to ICE under penalty of law the illegals they hired in order to avoid paying the costs and following the rules and regulations of hiring a legal person or American.
Damned if you do damned if you don't legal minefields that phony liberals put businesses under to protect their beloved illegals.
Federal law that you are required to follow as a business.
What California says
California AG Threatens To Fine Businesses That Spill Worker Info To Immigration
Yeah, so demand to see a warrant and give the feds a hard time and in turn they can drop the hammer on you, question is will illegal loving liberal California pay the fines and defend the owners of the businesses against the civil and criminal penalties the feds would most definitely use against them?
It's more about freedom of association. If somewhere you worked made it a precondition to have some of your wages taken and given to an organization you strongly disagreed with (pick one, the National Rifle Association or fill in the blank) you'd likewise probably object even if you somehow financially benefited to some degree from the actions of the NRA on your behalf. Perhaps if you wanted to discourage what you saw as moral hazard of "free riders" you could mandate what was taken out previously as union dues for bargaining purposes could be still taken and used to fund something like a government-run program to benefit workers (say something that would pay out benefits to those disabled on the job in addition to whatever other benefits) or something so the funds weren't benefiting the union in any way then I could support something like that.
I think the easiest way is to just mandate that the employer contribute X% of dollars they pay in wages to the union and bargain for that in lieu of a pay increase. Then, eliminate union dues. That way the amount of money going to the union is identical, there’s no free riders, and now no concerns about paying ‘your’ money to the union as it was never yours under this arrangement.
Pretty simple answer to the problem.
Probably just as fascinating as liberals who demand living wages, labor laws, safety laws, etc. but then turn around and tell businesses that they must not reveal to ICE under penalty of law the illegals they hired in order to avoid paying the costs and following the rules and regulations of hiring a legal person or American.
Damned if you do damned if you don't legal minefields that phony liberals put businesses under to protect their beloved illegals.
Federal law that you are required to follow as a business.
What California says
California AG Threatens To Fine Businesses That Spill Worker Info To Immigration
Yeah, so demand to see a warrant and give the feds a hard time and in turn they can drop the hammer on you, question is will illegal loving liberal California pay the fines and defend the owners of the businesses against the civil and criminal penalties the feds would most definitely use against them?
Last union job I worked at was a 12 hour shift with 30 days on and 4 off until the job was done. No eight hour days, no weekends, no holidays, no vacation (if you had a v day scheduled during a job you didn't go on that job and waited for the next one to start after your return months later), dont even think about getting sick or you'll never be put on another job. Fucking unions ROCK!!!!
Actually folks like @Jhhnn have argued on these forums that employers pay illegals wages that are at or above minimum wage and sometimes substantially above. Which defies logic and common sense but there you have it, some pro-illegal folks actually believe employers willingly take on the legal risk of knowingly hiring illegals so they can pay them above market wages.
If Americans don't want middle class lifestyle for anyone not highly educated, that's cool. As a techie, I don't need a union to make over $100 per hour, but I also understand that American middle class was largely a creation of the New Deal and the labor movement, so it's curious to see folks in the middle class vote to undermine both.
If Americans don't want middle class lifestyle for anyone not highly educated, that's cool. As a techie, I don't need a union to make over $100 per hour, but I also understand that American middle class was largely a creation of the New Deal and the labor movement, so it's curious to see folks in the middle class vote to undermine both.
I suspect this comes from growing up in a country where they have never known anything different than the benefits of the New Deal. They think a robust middle class is the norm, not the exception, so they see the costs but assume the benefits.
I suspect people who grew up before the New Deal would think modern American conservative opinions about organized labor are insane.
Public sector unions shouldn't exist, they shouldn't have a union when working for the government. Private sector unions are acceptable though.
Yeh, public sector workers should have fewer rights, obviously.
Yeh, public sector workers should have fewer rights, obviously.
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Oh yeah making it harder for collective bargaining is a great way to address imbalance of power between workers and those they work for when it comes to wages.
The slow shafting of the American worker since the 70's continues.