Supreme Court rules nonunion workers cannot be forced to pay fees to public sector unions

[echo4747]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/27/supreme-court-rules-in-janus-labor-union-case.html

I believe this is another proper decision

 

[brycejones]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/27/supreme-court-rules-in-janus-labor-union-case.html

I believe this is another proper decision

Oh yeah making it harder for collective bargaining is a great way to address imbalance of power between workers and those they work for when it comes to wages.

The slow shafting of the American worker since the 70's continues.

 

[vi edit]

I'm divided on this. On one hand it's nothing more than a shakedown you couldn't opt out of (short of not working there). On the other hand the collective bargaining power of unions does help raise the rates of everyone working that occupation. So it's not like it something for nothing. I do think it's one more crack in the weakening power that unions hold though. I'm not certain that is a good thing given the power and inequality between employers and employees at this point in time.

 

[Jhhnn]

So free riders get the benefits of Union membership & pay nothing.

 

[glenn1]

So free riders get the benefits of Union membership & pay nothing.

Why not, you support free riding outside the workplace with hundreds of different social welfare spending programs.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

DING! Another win for free speech and the choice to opt out of unions that use your dues to support politics you don't agree with.

 

[interchange]

This makes logical sense but will have huge impact on a lot of industries where a mix of union and non-union workers exists. There are other ways to structure things, I'm sure, but sometimes I hate the supreme court mechanism because it forces immediate changes.

 

[The Merg]

Yeah, not sure how I feel about this one. My thought is that if a union negotiated wages and benefits then, it should only be for their members now. Those that are not a part of the union cannot benefit from it.

I remember way back when working as a sanitation engineer (LOL!) that I was not part of the union. My hourly wage was significantly less than my counterparts.

- Merg

 

[dainthomas]

DING! Another win for free speech and the choice to opt out of unions that use your dues to support politics you don't agree with.

You were already able to get refunds on dues that went toward political causes.

The only reason for this ruling is that organized capital hates organized labor, and organized capital runs the country.

 

[UNCjigga]

Why not, you support free riding outside the workplace with hundreds of different social welfare spending programs.

Wait...what? I think the people arguing against paying their fair share of taxes would be deemed the free riders?

 

[HomerJS]

Middle class America was most prosperous at the height of union membership

 

[Starbuck1975]

Middle class America was most prosperous at the height of union membership

The middle class was most prosperous when we actually made things. Now that we’ve dived head first into this increasingly automated service based economy, there is not enough critical mass of workers to support unions.

 

[Noah Abrams]

Middle class America was most prosperous at the height of union membership

That doesn't mean anything as such. The decline of middle class have had other reasons, many of them global.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

From Justice Kagan's dissent.

“Almost all economic and regulatory policy affects or touches speech. So the majority’s road runs long. And at every stop are black-robed rulers overriding citizens’ choices. The First Amendment was meant for better things.”

 

[pauldun170]

From Justice Kagan's dissent.

Wonder if Trump fumes every time she speaks.
Starts complaining about how shes an illegal who stole that spot from a white man with obviously superior genes.

 

[glenn1]

Middle class America was most prosperous at the height of union membership

And also when Jim Crow was in effect, non-Hispanic whites made up nearly 9/10ths of the population, being communist could ruin your career, and being openly gay would be a death sentence. Surely those factors are all just as responsible for the prosperity of back then as union membership if not more since you've offered no causal reason why union membership would cause that prosperity.

 

[Jaskalas]

New Yeah, not sure how I feel about this one. My thought is that if a union negotiated wages and benefits then, it should only be for their members now. Those that are not a part of the union cannot benefit from it.

If the Union only benefits Union members, and the company can employ people for cheaper.... how do the Union employees keep their jobs?

Although, honestly, how much money does a Union need? Maybe its funding mechanism is backwards. To be directly on the backs of fellow workers is going to pit them against you. It's going to make them despise the Union.

 

[Drako]

It's about time, public employees shouldn't have unions anyway.

 

[Starbuck1975]

It's about time, public employees shouldn't have unions anyway.

Also this. There is an absolute need for trade unions. I never understood the need for public service unions that also serve as the political action committees to help vote in the very people they are supposedly negotiating with.

 

[Noah Abrams]

Also this. There is an absolute need for trade unions. I never understood the need for public service unions that also serve as the political action committees to help vote in the very people they are supposedly negotiating with.

It is a racket.

 

[DCal430]

The Unions will just do what they do with political contributions now. Automatic Opt-In with a limited ability to Opt-Out. Basically every year you will have to hand deliver a personal letter during a narrow few day window. In California they already made it so your employer (Government Agency) can't inform you of your right to Opt-Out.

 

[The Merg]

If the Union only benefits Union members, and the company can employ people for cheaper.... how do the Union employees keep their jobs?

Because many times it’s the union employees that will be skilled in job areas that you won’t necessarily get from just non-union employees. I realize that you won’t have that situation for every job type though.

- Merg

 

[senseamp]

Working class will suffer the most from gutting of the unions, as has been the case since it has started.

 

[Jhhnn]

Why not, you support free riding outside the workplace with hundreds of different social welfare spending programs.

I thought conservatives work for everything they get as a point of pride. You know, like pension administration, contract negotiations, representation in disciplinary matters, workplace safety & so forth. Now their coworkers get to carry the load for them, however.

 

[brycejones]

Working class will suffer the most from gutting of the unions, as has been the case since it has started.

Fake news! Killing Unions will MAGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!