I would not have guessed we had made that much progress.
Asians face the most harm from Affirmative Action, plenty of Asian groups have high poverty rates, and discrimination, but are excluded from Affirmative Action ptograms. It is discrimination on two fronts against Asians.
Of course this is an expense of tax payer money.
It's an US-only thing to have legacy admission and affirmative action, and these do not make sense at all.
I think all those things are good measures of societal progress, although I can't answer any of them. But if minority college attendance has reached parity percentage-wise, that's progress. And if anything the other measures you list should be improved or unaffected. More blacks in higher education means more people qualified to be doctors or other health care providers, fewer people living in poverty, and fewer people in prison. A rising tide lifts all boats. Worst case the additional blacks took spots that would have gone to whites, in which case none of those parameters are likely changed either way. Best case we're expanding higher education, period, and thus most of those parameters should improve. Either way we don't have a racially segregated minority underclass for whom the system does not work, and that's both progress and a good thing.This is not a personal attack on you, how does society measure progress?
Between 1976 to 2011 what has the murder rate in Michigan done? What about the GDP of the state? What about access to health care, number of doctors, cost of health care, cost of housing, number of people living in poverty, number of people in prisons?
The number of minorities getting a higher education in Michigan has increased, which is a great thing, but what effect has that had on the state?
Perhaps just consider privileges instead of race and AA programs can basically continue. White privilege can be considered with other privileges and students can be admitted based on their accomplishments in light of their privileges.
Perhaps just consider privileges instead of race and AA programs can basically continue. White privilege can be considered with other privileges and students can be admitted based on their accomplishments in light of their privileges.
How are poor whites privileged.
That is because race like religion, sex, sexual preference,,,,, should not be considered.
Nobody is denying college admission to certain races. They just have to meet the same requirements as everyone else.
In Texas we have what is called the Robin Hood fund for local schools. All the school districts pay their school taxes into a fund managed by the state. The state divides the funds so small school districts with a small tax base get more money.
Like what Texas has done with taxes, we need to do on a national level. We need to socialize higher education. What the student pays is based on their and their parents income. For schools like yale, harvard, brown, A&M,,, do a lottery system for applicants.
If a homeless person applies to harvard and is drawn through the lottery, that person gets to attend for free.
There would be no grants, no loans, no AA, no quotas,,, nothing but a balanced education for everyone.
No more rich parents buying their kids into the best colleges. Everyone will have a fair and equal access to higher education.
http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=98
The percentage of American college students who are Hispanic, Asian/Pacific Islander, Black, and American Indian/Alaska Native has been increasing. From 1976 to 2011, the percentage of Hispanic students rose from 4 percent to 14 percent, the percentage of Asian/Pacific Islander students rose from 2 percent to 6 percent, the percentage of Black students rose from 10 percent to 15 percent, and the percentage of American Indian/Alaska Native students rose from 0.7 to 0.9 percent. During the same period, the percentage of White students fell from 84 percent to 61 percent.
Haha, no. Things like legacy admissions and such are just affirmative action for white people, so I'm sure you think it's fine. It's only bad if affirmative action happens to minorities or even worse, women.
Wow, just wow.
So it is ok to discriminate when it suits you?
You sir are a troll and a hypocrite.
I wondered about that. Either way it needed to happen, but I'm glad it happened that way.Statistics like this seem to misrepresent the issue. Reading that the percentage of white students fell from 84% to 61% makes it sound like there's been massive white flight from higher education. In reality, the numbers from that link show that there were ~8.4 million white students enrolled in college in the late-70s/early-80s and ~12.8 million in 2011. So white student enrollment in college has gone UP 50% in the past 30 years, something that you wouldn't infer from reading that white student enrollment is down to 61%. Everyone's enrollment has been increasing, white, minority, men, women... White men have just been increasing slower than everyone else.
If you really believe that all students considered for admission should "have to meet the same requirements as everyone else," then how come you're not up in arms that Michigan is STILL allowed to admit students who do NOT meet the same requirements as everyone else, but whose families give Michigan a lot of money?
Just ban anything that does not treat every applicant equally.
It's an US-only thing to have legacy admission and affirmative action, and these do not make sense at all.
I don't think I see as big an issue. If the school wants to give preferential treatment to the children of donors, let them. That's not at all the same thing as racial discrimination.
Would we have a problem if the school wanted to give preferential treatment to whites by virtue of their skin color?
Seems to me liberals can have it one of two ways: Say that racism is okay in some circumstances, and support affirmative action. Or, they can say what they always say, that racism is never okay, and abandon for good the entire notion of affirmative action.
If racism is wrong, so is affirmative action. Both are making prejudicial decisions on the basis of skin color. There's no escaping that.
I know you are perfectly fine with keeping colleges rich and white.
I don't think I see as big an issue. If the school wants to give preferential treatment to the children of donors, let them. That's not at all the same thing as racial discrimination.