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bearxor

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I said the same thing to a friend the other day. Five years ago, we would have been blown away by the Surface Pro's thickness, weight and capability. Now, we're all spoiled by iPads. The Surface Pro might as well be a 17" DTR. More capable, for sure, but niche.
 

zerogear

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I think Microsoft can substantially reduce the weight of the Surface Pro 2 if they used the plastic casing or carbon fiber, however, I think having a metal casing is worth it.
 

tsupersonic

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Got my SP2 128GB at Staples. It is a nice device. Quick questions:
1) What does the button on the pen do? If i hold it, a circle appears on the screen.
2) On Android (any mobile OS), upon clicking on a textbox, the Keyboard pops up automatically. How can I make the SP2 do that? I don't have a physical keyboard yet
 

Ns1

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I think Microsoft can substantially reduce the weight of the Surface Pro 2 if they used the plastic casing or carbon fiber, however, I think having a metal casing is worth it.

Carbon fiber surface would be epic. +100 MHz.
 

Ichinisan

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Got my SP2 128GB at Staples. It is a nice device. Quick questions:
1) What does the button on the pen do? If i hold it, a circle appears on the screen.
2) On Android (any mobile OS), upon clicking on a textbox, the Keyboard pops up automatically. How can I make the SP2 do that? I don't have a physical keyboard yet

Did you pair it with a Bluetooth keyboard or something? Disconnect the keyboard somehow or disable Bluetooth?

I'm just thinking of the way iOS behaves. The on-screen keyboard doesn't appear if you have a Bluetooth device paired and connected.
 
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tsupersonic

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Did you pair it with a Bluetooth keyboard or something? Disconnect the keyboard somehow or disable Bluetooth?

I'm just thinking if the way iOS behaves. The on-screen keyboard doesn't appear if you have a Bluetooth device paired and connected.
No, I haven't paired a bluetooth keyboard. I have been using the on-screen keyboard. The behavior is app-specific. Some open the on-screen keyboard on a text field, others don't
 

Fox5

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No, I haven't paired a bluetooth keyboard. I have been using the on-screen keyboard. The behavior is app-specific. Some open the on-screen keyboard on a text field, others don't

I think it really is just app specific. Stick to metro if you want keyboards to reliable pop up. You can always press the button to make the keyboard pop up.
 

RandomFool

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Got my SP2 128GB at Staples. It is a nice device. Quick questions:
1) What does the button on the pen do? If i hold it, a circle appears on the screen.
2) On Android (any mobile OS), upon clicking on a textbox, the Keyboard pops up automatically. How can I make the SP2 do that? I don't have a physical keyboard yet

1. Right click, (I think that's the default setting, but I may have changed it)
2. In metro mode, a keyboard should always pop up. On the desktop I usually have to click the tray icon to get the keyboard to popup.
 

tvdang7

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i need a decent gpu before i get one of these. maybe next refresh will do it for me. To replace my tablet and laptop is what i meant.
 
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hans030390

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Yes, desktop mode requires you to manually pull up the keyboard. I have only gotten it to work automatically with with the modern UI and apps. If there's a workaround, see what the Google has to say.
 

007ELmO

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I have the Surface 2 and regret not purchasing the Pro 2, I hate RT, I want a real OS!

Secondly, I have the new type cover 2 and I would say it's not perfect. I type at maybe 130-135 WPM on a normal keyboard, I feel like I'm down to 100 on the type cover 2 due to consistent errors.
 

rituraj

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I don't know how to totally articulate how I feel about it. I consider it more of a laptop-first, then a tablet. The weight is definitely not ideal. I'm coming from an iPad (original edition), which I then sold for an iPad Mini, so the size difference is definitely substantial. While I frequently read books on my Mini, I don't think its very realistic to do frequent reading on the SP2. Maybe that's in my head, but it's just too big. Not only heavy, but also just big. I felt the same way about the original iPad, FWIW.

In bed I used to use my Lenovo x220 for surfing the net instead of any tablet. I enjoyed the form factor quite a bit, and the fact that the screen could bend all the way back even up to 180 degrees made it very easy to find a comfortable position to both surf and type. Considering when I'm on my personal computer, I'm almost entirely (when not traveling) either in bed or lounging on my couch, this was important. Being comfortable in bed and on the couch were my two biggest concerns about the SP2 going in.

And it's certainly not perfect. I can't really lie down and use the SP2 with my knees propped up while still having a keyboard, while I could do that with a normal laptop. Instead, I lay it on the bed and then I lay on my side to use the computer with the Type Cover. Hard to describe but I hope that makes sense. I can use it lying down "in my lap" without the Type Cover, but then it's just a tablet. The weight there doesn't bother me.

On the couch I use it much more as a tablet, either having the Type Cover folded back and then propped up with the hinge, or just without the hinge. Both are comfortable and the weight is not an issue.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it is certainly not perfect. As a laptop, it's not as comfortable as my old ThinkPad, for various reasons. As a tablet, it's not quite as comfortable as my iPad/iPad Mini again, for various reasons. But, the ability to have one device that does both of these things FAR outweighs the cons, and that is ultimately what it came down to. I'll be keeping the Surface, which I wasn't convinced I would after a couple days use. It's a really great machine that is incredibly powerful and flexible enough to be used at a desk, on a couch, in bed, on a plane, etc. Typing on it with the Type Cover is an absolute joy, and while it isn't a ThinkPad, it comes damn close. I miss the TrackPoint from my ThinkPad, as the touchpad is pretty poor, its certainly useable, and I'm very surprised with myself as to how much I just touch the screen for most things, and how natural it feels. I definitely would NOT have guessed that would happen.

The weight certainly isn't great, and if it was just half a pound lighter I would be a much bigger fan, but its just not a dealbreaker. Keep in mind I'm only 5'7" so if you're a big guy this may be even less of a deal.

Lastly, my only real gripe is the high DPI, which is really a Windows problem. Chrome is virtually unusable (even with tweaking settings), so I've switched permanently to IE 11. Both the Metro version and the desktop versions are great. I'm upset about that because my Android phone uses Chrome, and I miss being able to sync everything up (tabs, history, etc.). Also, Spotify has proven to be almost unusable, due to the DPI settings. On default, the touch doesn't register correctly, and when you override compatibility to ignore DPI settings, everything is so tiny on the 1080p screen it is difficult to use. I use very few x86 apps so this isn't a huge deal for me for the time being, but definitely something to consider.

I went with the SP2 versus the S2 or an iPad, even though 90% of the things I want to do can be done on a tablet, the other 10% makes it impossible for a tablet to be my primary device. Even things as simple as having multiple tabs open and using Alt-Tab to quickly cycle through them, which is the way I browse the internet, is SUCH an improvement over the traditional iPad experience. The ability to use the occasional x86 program is just really fantastic, and IMO worth the additional $ and weight premium over the RT.

One more thing - there really needs to be more Metro apps. The store is pretty pathetic right now, don't let anyone else tell you otherwise. I honestly have little hope that it will get better. The Metro experience is so fantastic, that I'd love to be able to use it more. Unfortunately, it is not there yet.

Hope that helps - it was a bit of a ramble but those are my thoughts after using the SP2 for about 3 weeks now.

Edit: I completely forgot. The screen quality BLOWS ME AWAY every single time I've used it. It's so crisp, has such great contrast, and is simply fantastic. This looks and feels like a $2k computer (which it so happens to be, but that's not true of the 64GB model, which, for all intents and purposes, is the same).

Thanks for such a detailed response man...
I am not a big guy either. I'm not exactly sure I would buy sp2 as I can't ignore the lack of a vga, an optical drive (not joking) and ethernet.
Actually I was torn between fujitsu Lifebook t734 and the surface pro 2. But if the surface is really not that portable I should probably go for more weight with the added functionality that the t734 provides, viz. Ethernet, 3g/4g, optical drive, **better** resolution for windows 8 (1366/768), a slot for the stylus, more configurability, easy to open up, and more powerful. Yeah it's heavy but not for a laptop.

I remember some rumours about bigger surface tablets somewehere several months ago. But I guess that's unlikely given the current trend for lighter prettier toys.

God, if there was a Bay trail version or I was stronger and richer....

Anyway, draw a devil's trap on the device.. I can't take back my wish.. demons might disturb you by swearing in the middle of your presentations..
 

zerogear

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Hey guys, for those who were wondering about additional shortcuts/hidden keys -- plus how to do screenshots without using the Vol Down + Win button ---

Fn + Caps - Locks F1-F12 into being function keys.

Fn + <Spacebar> - Print Screen

Fn + <Spacebar> + Alt - Print Screen for the in-focus app only

Fn + Del - Brightness Up

Fn + Backspace - Brightness Down

Fn + <left> - Home

Fn + <right> - End

Fn + <up> - Page Up

Fn + <down> - Page Down
 

zerogear

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Thanks for such a detailed response man...
I am not a big guy either. I'm not exactly sure I would buy sp2 as I can't ignore the lack of a vga, an optical drive (not joking) and ethernet.
Actually I was torn between fujitsu Lifebook t734 and the surface pro 2. But if the surface is really not that portable I should probably go for more weight with the added functionality that the t734 provides, viz. Ethernet, 3g/4g, optical drive, **better** resolution for windows 8 (1366/768), a slot for the stylus, more configurability, easy to open up, and more powerful. Yeah it's heavy but not for a laptop.

I remember some rumours about bigger surface tablets somewehere several months ago. But I guess that's unlikely given the current trend for lighter prettier toys.

God, if there was a Bay trail version or I was stronger and richer....

Anyway, draw a devil's trap on the device.. I can't take back my wish.. demons might disturb you by swearing in the middle of your presentations..

1. Ethernet -- USB 3.0 to 1Gbps Ethernet available -- not many of the Ultrabooks in the ultralight weight class have full-sized Ethernet ports nowadays -- it's either by dongle/USB/Thunderbolt.

2. Optical drive -- ditto, see above.

3. VGA -- There is miniDP -- get a mini DP to VGA adapter?
 

Ns1

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Compared to other tablets it certainly is not as portable.

can you explain to me exactly how a surface pro is less portable than a ipad?

iPad Mini/7" tablets excluded from this discussion, of course; because obviously there is no comparing a surface pro to a 7" tablet in portability.
 
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Red Storm

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can you explain to me exactly how a surface pro is less portable than a ipad?

iPad Mini/7" tablets excluded from this discussion, of course; because obviously there is no comparing a surface pro to a 7" tablet in portability.

Uh it's much thicker and heavier? Those two factors are important when it comes to tablets. The surface works good when used as a laptop, but it's still too thick and heavy when using it as a tablet.
 

Ns1

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Uh it's much thicker and heavier? Those two factors are important when it comes to tablets. The surface works good when used as a laptop, but it's still too thick and heavy when using it as a tablet.

Not sure how that actually equates to decreased portability in real world usage.
 

rituraj

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1. Ethernet -- USB 3.0 to 1Gbps Ethernet available -- not many of the Ultrabooks in the ultralight weight class have full-sized Ethernet ports nowadays -- it's either by dongle/USB/Thunderbolt.

2. Optical drive -- ditto, see above.

3. VGA -- There is miniDP -- get a mini DP to VGA adapter?

I know they are available, but having them right on the device rather than carrying three separate accessories is much better. And engaging the only usb port with a dongle or adapter is not very comfortable

Lol @ sp2 not portable

I shouldn't have said "not portable". It's certainly more than portable. But I guess it's not really what you can call "comfy" in bed. But I think for that comfy part my phone will be a better device. As far as working as a tablet goes I will not be using the stylus holding the device above my head, so I think I would trade off a bit of portability and weight saving for the extra features that are really important to me.

Another reason I am opting away from sp2 is that, by the time it comes to my country the next gen would be around the corner and also I might have to pay about 20% extra with the taxes and all. And also MS is unlikely to release it officially in India, so I might have to carry a socket adapter too (guess that's what it is called) as we use those round pin power sockets here.
 

Ns1

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But I guess it's not really what you can call "comfy" in bed.

I can agree with that...if you're used to lifting the iPad above your head. But for me, laying in bed with a surface pro does not define the "portability" of a surface pro.

The SP2 is perfectly "comfy" in bed as long as you're not trying to use it like an iPad (ie lifting it above your face).
 
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zerogear

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I can agree with that...if you're used to lifting the iPad above your head. But for me, laying in bed with a surface pro does not define the "portability" of a surface pro.

The SP2 is perfectly "comfy" in bed as long as you're not trying to use it like an iPad (ie lifting it above your face).

To be honest, I wouldn't lift an iPad 10" over my head either (If it isn't the Air model)
 

darkewaffle

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When I was younger I didn't even like holding my GBA or a book overhead for extended periods and those are both less than half as heavy as an iPad air. I wouldn't consider that a good 'usage model' to go by personally for any device.

When I think of using it "in bed" (kinky) I think of having my back angled up on some pillows/against the headboard and the device either held up in front of me or basically resting up against my legs like _//\_. I probably wouldn't hold the surface but I'd see no problem doing the latter, hell I used to do it with my old Inspiron e1505 which is a veritable behemoth next to any modern device.
 

Ns1

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wtf do you guys use to remove the finger smudges on the screen? it's smudge city up in this bitch.
 
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