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arandomguy

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So, if your heart is set on some gaming, be sure to grab the 8GB RAM models of the Surface Pro 2. The iGPU Intel HD4400 will like it more alongside the game itself.

Unfortunately the 8gb ram version to me is priced somewhat high at $300 more. I realize this is because it comes with the 256gb SSD however but even not factoring the rather large markup I don't really need that over 128gb storage. The downside of being constrained to manufacturer set SKUs I suppose.

At the moment my consideration would be more the 4gb/128gb ssd versions of the Pro or Pro 2 versus a more conventional laptop with a GPU (like the Acer v7 482pg i5 version ~$900). One thing is I want a device with a good display and it seems in general these are rather sparse in this price range. I figure the Surface Pro though would be more interesting then a simply a laptop with a ULV CPU and no GPU.

I would say I hope to at minimum be able to play Civ 5 and LoL and similar games. More demanding FPS games like BL2 I could live without playing away from the desktop. On the flip side I also already have a Wacom drawing tablet as well. So basically neither is critical too me but each has it's own benefits which makes this a tough decision.

There is not much difference in gaming performance between intel 3rd and intel 4th generation in the ulv space. This is because they are tdp limited and they can't really increase the clock speed of the graphics, thus they choose to do more calculation units at lower clock speed to achive better battery life and marginal better gpu performance.

See here to get an idea. While they are not comparing the surfaces per say they are comparing an i7 3rd gen vs an i7 4th gen ulv with the acer s7 and the acer s7 revision.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7047/the-haswell-ultrabook-review-core-i74500u-tested/7

Thanks I was trying to find some more numbers on the difference from IB ULV to Haswell ULV GPU wise, especially factoring in TDP limits and mobile thermal constraints.
 

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Unfortunately the 8gb ram version to me is priced somewhat high at $300 more. I realize this is because it comes with the 256gb SSD however but even not factoring the rather large markup I don't really need that over 128gb storage. The downside of being constrained to manufacturer set SKUs I suppose.

At the moment my consideration would be more the 4gb/128gb ssd versions of the Pro or Pro 2 versus a more conventional laptop with a GPU (like the Acer v7 482pg i5 version ~$900). One thing is I want a device with a good display and it seems in general these are rather sparse in this price range. I figure the Surface Pro though would be more interesting then a simply a laptop with a ULV CPU and no GPU.

I would say I hope to at minimum be able to play Civ 5 and LoL and similar games. More demanding FPS games like BL2 I could live without playing away from the desktop. On the flip side I also already have a Wacom drawing tablet as well. So basically neither is critical too me but each has it's own benefits which makes this a tough decision.



Thanks I was trying to find some more numbers on the difference from IB ULV to Haswell ULV GPU wise, especially factoring in TDP limits and mobile thermal constraints.

Civ 5 will still work on the 4/128 and League of Legends. Those games are not as demanding. Gaming will make the device as warm as a to-go cup filled with fresh hot coffee.

It is more than hard numbers though.

Keep in mind that the reasons for a Surface Pro usage, why I went with the Surface Pro (and now Pro 2) is because of eliminating the bulk spaghetti device setup of a dedicated digitizer attached to a laptop that cannot be used in the hands to draw, this needing to be table bound or lap bound.

Also, with my previous Wacom digitizers (at the time the Cintiq would double the capability cost) there is a disconnect from working the digitizer and screen. Understandable that the Surface Pro and Surface Pro 2 has a very nice screen, it has to to deal with many angles of handling, writing implement, and drawing viewing.

I factored these greatly in deciding to jump setups (my previous Envy 14 had a dGPU, rough numbers determined the performance of GPU to be slightly higher than the Pro 1). It is more than benchmark numbers for me, and it is what disappointed me about any initial official review of the Surface Pro. People are trying to adopt a strict traditional laptop only usage model (placing it like a laptop with a propped screen - but is better with the Surface Pro 2) and/or a strict tablet only usage model (holding these things above their heads, even I wouldn't hold a normal paperback book above my head for long) to not see that despite being in the middle of it, it has great flexibility and handling (even those that said it is uncomfortable in one hand, I cradle it like a clipboard just fine)

But in the end, that is what one should ask looking at the new tablet PC hybrid convertibles. Does one need the power, work, and capability of their laptop, tablet deployability, and tablet flexibility when wanted without additional carry bulk and weight?

My Envy 14 seldom travels with me day to day, only for extended trips away from home. The Surface Pro and Pro 2 always comes along.
 

zerogear

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I would say it runs everything up till the mid/end XBox 360/PS3 era in mid-detail. As for newer generations, probably not well unless it's at low detail.
 

Imaginer

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How well does OSX support touchscreen/tablet mode? Is there any reason why you'd want this?

Apple's Final Cut Pro is a big reason for some. Otherwise, it is a flavor, feature, and preference matter with document creation suites, video editing suites, music creation, etc.
 

arandomguy

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Civ 5 will still work on the 4/128 and League of Legends. Those games are not as demanding. Gaming will make the device as warm as a to-go cup filled with fresh hot coffee.

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My Envy 14 seldom travels with me day to day, only for extended trips away from home. The Surface Pro and Pro 2 always comes along.

Cut the content out of the quote just for space reasons.

Overall I suppose I'm mainly trying to get impressions on the device. I understand that hard numbers may be misleading. I suppose I am trying to get more descriptive impressions. Overall the gaming entertainment factor (the other would be videos, but that is easier for me to compare since it's just a screen size difference vs. portability) is the biggest unknown to me and hard to gauge. Also the information out there is comparatively lacking (since understandably gaming is not likely the largest priority for Surface Pro buyers), so hoping to get more impressions.

I agree with your points about people's take on the device. It does seem like most reviews tend to view it as an either or as opposed to a more synergistic device.

Really I've just been going back and forth between a device like the Surface Pro/Pro 2 (or maybe the new Thinkpad Yoga) versus a laptop like the Acer 482pg (or maybe Asus n550jv). I realize at the end it is basically an apples and oranges type comparison with trade offs, meaning it'll be a personal decision only I can really judge. But getting the most information possible will probably lead the most informed decision.

What would have been the decision easier is it were 1-2 inches larger and had 8gb ram at a lower price point :awe: (One can wish).

By the way for Surface Pro 1 users (not sure if this is the best place to ask this) but do you find the battery life challenging? This is the largest upgrade I believe with the Pro 2 which makes it enticing despite the rather large cost difference.
 

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So, I scored what I would consider to be a pretty great deal. A Surface Pro 1 64GB for $528 OTD at BB. Price matched Staples and then an extra 10% off for an open box. I thought, after my brief hands on time with the Venue 8, that I'd be able to handle the Surface Pro.

I was wrong.

I'm certain there is a market for this device. But its not for me. I think a 16:9 or 16:10 screen in a 10" size is just ridiculous. I'm trying to think if I'll get used to it, but I'm wondering why I should bother. In fact, the entire experience has made me eliminate the Venue 11 Pro from consideration.

I hate to have snap judgments on things, but when I took the Venue 8 out of the box I was immediately impressed. The Surface Pro fell very flat and hasn't felt any better since starting it up. Honestly, I think I'd only suggest it if someone was REALLY interested in the stylus.

Those if you that have them, I'm glad you enjoy them, but I would really like to see a 8" surface at some point, where the 16:9 ratio is a little more comfortable.

The other part of me is very conflicted because I got such a good deal in it. Wish I knew someone who wanted one so I could just sell it to them for what I paid for it.
 

Imaginer

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Out of curiosity, was it the default first touch screen keyboard that made the 10.6 inch 16:9 screen awkward? It does for me, but thankfully, there is the second thumb touch screen keyboard option of which if I ever have a preference for touch screen keyboards on large wide screens, it would be this. I seldom have the device in portrait.

Post it online for that price you paid for it. I am sure you can sell it definitely at that price.
 

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I can't remember where I read it, but I read that the 256 gb and 512 gb Surface Pro 2 is coming out mid-December.
 

zerogear

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I think around December 15, when they've already fulfilled all existing unfulfilled orders. -- Could very well be longer if they can't meet production demand.
 

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Where can I get a Surface Pro 2 256gb?! It's been out of stock for weeks.
Check the other stores that may carry them - Staples, Office Depot or Office Max. My Staples store (actually multiple locations) all have every model of the Surface Pro 2 AND Surface 2 (including all accessories). Bestbuy is all sold out, but I guess no one thinks to check Staples.
 

Ns1

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Check the other stores that may carry them - Staples, Office Depot or Office Max. My Staples store (actually multiple locations) all have every model of the Surface Pro 2 AND Surface 2 (including all accessories). Bestbuy is all sold out, but I guess no one thinks to check Staples.

Staples was OOS on a lot of stuff when I bought mine.
 

Ns1

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When I go to the airport is the SPro considered a tablet or a laptop? Anyone got experience?
 

Imaginer

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When I go to the airport is the SPro considered a tablet or a laptop? Anyone got experience?

I take the device out to be scanned, if you're asking.

This. I rather not take the chance of being held up and follow that every electronic device that is not a phone be scanned in a manner like a laptop. I traveled with the first Surface Pro and placed it in the cubby tray like I have done with my Envy 14.
 

Ns1

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This. I rather not take the chance of being held up and follow that every electronic device that is not a phone be scanned in a manner like a laptop. I traveled with the first Surface Pro and placed it in the cubby tray like I have done with my Envy 14.

Well you don't have to take iPads out...
 
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