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Ns1

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surfacepro2 owners, a few ?'s and requests for comments:

1) Have you tried gaming on it yet? How does it do, run everything (except Crysis) in low/medium settings?
2) How powerful is this laptop when outputting to an external monitor? Can you game on it, outputting to an external monitor?
3) Is 8gb of ram THAT important on the SP2? $300 for an additional 128gb SSD space and 4gb of ram is not a bad deal in my book, but it's still $300.
4) type cover vs touch cover? For the first gen SP2 the type cover was a no brainer, but the 2nd gen SP2 touch cover looks pretty nice...
 
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darkewaffle

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Somewhat relevant to #1 that I've been curious about/keeping an eye on as well, Surface Pro 2 at least gets some pretty stellar results in the FFXIV benchmark, but not a lot of reports on actual gameplay as of yet.
 

Zaap

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Messed with a Surface Pro 2 at Frys the other day- very impressive. For drawing, it would be nearly perfect. My only issue is Microsoft is kinda stupid about being able to toggle touch with pen input so that there's no problem with palm interference when drawing. Other than that, nearly perfect drawing tool.

Frys had the 64GB Pro 2 on sale for $549 (plus another $30 for the pen sold separately for that model) and I was severely tempted- almost reached for my wallet, but then I was thinking that 64GB just might not cut it for me. And eventually they'll come down even more, or used ones will pop up.
 

Ns1

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One more - is there a stock video editing app (e.g. iMovie equivelent...)? If so, how is it?
 

Commodus

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One more - is there a stock video editing app (e.g. iMovie equivelent...)? If so, how is it?

Windows Movie Maker, but let's put it this way… if someone made you use it for more than one or two basic cuts, you'd be running to the store to get a Mac, or at least a commercial app like Premiere Elements. iMovie is on another plane of existence, especially since it also has more fully realized companion tools (GarageBand and iPhoto).
 

zerogear

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Messed with a Surface Pro 2 at Frys the other day- very impressive. For drawing, it would be nearly perfect. My only issue is Microsoft is kinda stupid about being able to toggle touch with pen input so that there's no problem with palm interference when drawing. Other than that, nearly perfect drawing tool.

Well, that's fixed with the Wacom Feel drivers - which also enables pressure sensitivity on Photoshop and the like.
 

zerogear

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Windows Movie Maker, but let's put it this way… if someone made you use it for more than one or two basic cuts, you'd be running to the store to get a Mac, or at least a commercial app like Premiere Elements. iMovie is on another plane of existence, especially since it also has more fully realized companion tools (GarageBand and iPhoto).

While not free, there are plenty of great video editing programs for fairly cheap, I like Lightworks quite a bit.

http://www.lwks.com/
 

hellfire88

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Messed with a Surface Pro 2 at Frys the other day- very impressive. For drawing, it would be nearly perfect. My only issue is Microsoft is kinda stupid about being able to toggle touch with pen input so that there's no problem with palm interference when drawing. Other than that, nearly perfect drawing tool.

Frys had the 64GB Pro 2 on sale for $549 (plus another $30 for the pen sold separately for that model) and I was severely tempted- almost reached for my wallet, but then I was thinking that 64GB just might not cut it for me. And eventually they'll come down even more, or used ones will pop up.

Wow doesn't the base model Surface Pro 2 (64GB) go for $899? $549 is a great price.
 

Ns1

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Windows Movie Maker, but let's put it this way… if someone made you use it for more than one or two basic cuts, you'd be running to the store to get a Mac, or at least a commercial app like Premiere Elements. iMovie is on another plane of existence, especially since it also has more fully realized companion tools (GarageBand and iPhoto).

thanks. guess I'll be keeping the iMac at home lol (in addition to the SP2 of course)
 

bearxor

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I'm getting pretty interested in moving to a Win 8.1 tab. Went by the MS store because I know they give $200 for an iPad 2 16GB Wifi and asked how much they give for a 64GB iPad 3 LTE.

Offered me $200. Shhheeeeeiiiittttttt.
 

ultimatebob

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How is the keyboard? I love the form factor, but that worries me.

Oh... and I hated Metro/Modern UI with a passion, but Windows 8.1 is growing on me.
 

zerogear

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How is the keyboard? I love the form factor, but that worries me.

Oh... and I hated Metro/Modern UI with a passion, but Windows 8.1 is growing on me.

Type keyboard 2, is actually quite nice, not as deep as an ultrabook, but full-sized and pleasant to type on accurately.
 

Hail The Brain Slug

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Type keyboard 2, is actually quite nice, not as deep as an ultrabook, but full-sized and pleasant to type on accurately.

It is very nice to type on. I really like the keyswitches that they put into it.

My only malfunction was that I'm still used to long throw full-size keyboard switches having never really used a laptop or other small/portable keyboard previously. I had a lot of issues at first but once I got used to the reduced effort/finger throw its much faster and I make significantly fewer typing errors.
 

zerogear

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It is very nice to type on. I really like the keyswitches that they put into it.

My only malfunction was that I'm still used to long throw full-size keyboard switches having never really used a laptop or other small/portable keyboard previously. I had a lot of issues at first but once I got used to the reduced effort/finger throw its much faster and I make significantly fewer typing errors.

Quick "hidden" tip - If you don't use the media function keys, you can hit Fn + Cap lock, and it'll revert it back to regular F1/F2/F3/F4 as default commands -- And engage the media keys as "backup" when you hit the Fn Key.
 

Zaap

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Wow doesn't the base model Surface Pro 2 (64GB) go for $899? $549 is a great price.
Yeah, I thought it was a mistake (and knowing Frys, probably it is) but I asked a salesperson to check, and make sure it was the Surface PRO 2 and not the Surface 2. She double-checked it, and insisted to me the 64GB *Pro* 2 was $549. Heh. Now I'm thinking I should take advantage of that before they realize that someone probably f'ed up on that. (Frys in Manhattan Beach, CA)
 

SLCentral

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Yeah, I thought it was a mistake (and knowing Frys, probably it is) but I asked a salesperson to check, and make sure it was the Surface PRO 2 and not the Surface 2. She double-checked it, and insisted to me the 64GB *Pro* 2 was $549. Heh. Now I'm thinking I should take advantage of that before they realize that someone probably f'ed up on that. (Frys in Manhattan Beach, CA)

I think they're mistaken, based on saying that the 64GB model doesn't come with the stylus. I have the 64GB model, and it certainly came with a stylus in the box - even though I lost it already.
 

Hail The Brain Slug

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Quick "hidden" tip - If you don't use the media function keys, you can hit Fn + Cap lock, and it'll revert it back to regular F1/F2/F3/F4 as default commands -- And engage the media keys as "backup" when you hit the Fn Key.

I found out about that in an article about hidden features. It makes me very happy, I hated having the F-keys secondary to the media/control keys.

Speaking of the keyboard, have you noticed any issues with the keyboard re-activating when you flip it back around from tablet mode into laptop mode? I used it in class today and a couple times they keyboard was dead and I had to pull it apart and let it snap back together to get it to wake up.

I'm very happy with the battery life and performance. I setup a custom super battery saver mode I used today. I was in class for 6 hours and it was being used in various ways for about 5 of those hours. I got home and I was at 46% battery left. And, of course, it still outpaced the new quad core i7 macs that the college has (I'm thinking entirely due to the SSD).

<3 Surface Pro 2
 

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I wouldn't use it primarily as a laptop- but when sitting anywhere watching a movie or when needing super battery life- a dock is amazing. Or when you need additional ports... They could even go the route of AMD's failed boost using a fan when docked.

The OG transformer got double battery life with dock- imagine the possibilities of the surface with 12ish hours of battery life- hell even price the dock at 200-250 I'll buy it.

The lenovo thinkpad helix was the perfect example of this kind of device. But their timing was terrible, releasing the 3rd gen intel core version just month(s) before 4th gen was released. I hope they release a haswell version very soon or skip it and go directly for broadwell and release it within a month of the cpu launch. And they too implemented the 'boost with a fan' thing.

As for the docks, I really loved the tranformer concept. Heck, make the hard drive in the dock user removable and I would put a 2tb 2.5" drive. Give us more ports like ethernet, vga (thats a must for presentations), more usb, a heavier dock for better stability in laptop mode. I would never complain about the weight of such a device if it has all the options I wanted and unless it exceeds 2.5kg (5.7lb) and I wish they are available in 12-13" screen size. And the digitizer is one feature I would never consider a device without. (I need confirmation on the correctness of the last sentence, lol)...
 
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OBLAMA2009

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It's at least $1,300 for the configuration in the OP (256GB).

i wouldnt spend that much on a surface. surface is basically windows nexus without a discount, its only a matter of a little time until other companies come out with more interesting stuff for a lot less. theres even going to be an intel ipad soon
 

zerogear

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I found out about that in an article about hidden features. It makes me very happy, I hated having the F-keys secondary to the media/control keys.

Speaking of the keyboard, have you noticed any issues with the keyboard re-activating when you flip it back around from tablet mode into laptop mode? I used it in class today and a couple times they keyboard was dead and I had to pull it apart and let it snap back together to get it to wake up.

I'm very happy with the battery life and performance. I setup a custom super battery saver mode I used today. I was in class for 6 hours and it was being used in various ways for about 5 of those hours. I got home and I was at 46% battery left. And, of course, it still outpaced the new quad core i7 macs that the college has (I'm thinking entirely due to the SSD).

<3 Surface Pro 2

Want to share your super battery saver mode config?
 

Ns1

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i wouldnt spend that much on a surface. surface is basically windows nexus without a discount, its only a matter of a little time until other companies come out with more interesting stuff for a lot less. theres even going to be an intel ipad soon

No stylus no care



I'm soooooo torn on 4/128 for 1k or 8/256 for 1300

The geek says fuck it, the accountant says noooo don't do it
 

olds

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Two questions.
1. Can android apps (dual boot?) be run on the Pro 2?

2. I have Office 2013 on a DVD. Is the only way to get it on a Pro 2 is to buy an external, USB DVD drive?
 
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