Surface Pro 3 thread - Info, thoughts, opinions

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Oyster

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Got my SP3 today, spent $1500 on the 8/256GB model. And now I'm wondering what the heck have I done?

This thing isn't really going to replace my laptop. The keyboard is far too inadequate for that. I'd rather type on my $200 Chromebook. This thing really needs a keyboard dock, not sure why that hasn't happened yet.

This is exactly what I posted a week ago after canceling my pre-order . IMO, the keyboard experience is very, very lacking... for people like me who type a lot, this is a huge deal breaker. This, in no way, is a MBA killer. If they put in as much energy as they did in the upper body to build a top-notch keyboard as a dock, I'll gladly pay them $1500-2000.

Although, I'll say this: for people who are not into typing a lot, this would make an amazing machine.
 

IamDavid

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This is exactly what I posted a week ago after canceling my pre-order . IMO, the keyboard experience is very, very lacking... for people like me who type a lot, this is a huge deal breaker. This, in no way, is a MBA killer. If they put in as much energy as they did in the upper body to build a top-notch keyboard as a dock, I'll gladly pay them $1500-2000.

Although, I'll say this: for people who are not into typing a lot, this would make an amazing machine.

I didn't care much for the keyboard the first couple days but after using it more and more I'm finding it totally adequate, if not very nice. I spent 2.5 hours in word yesterday along with hours in Excel and have been presently surprised. I still like gaming and other media on it way better of course but I can't complain about the keyboard anymore.

I need the dock now though. I'm always using multiple displays when in the office so this part sucks. I never did like Microsoft for how slow they were at releasing stuff once announced.

They also need to integrate WP and windows better. Current windows phone app is PATHETIC.
 

Imaginer

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They also need to integrate WP and windows better. Current windows phone app is PATHETIC.

Desktop or Modern app, it is a bit basic, but mainly for syncing content.

I am not sure what other functions I would expect out of the app to be honest.

NOW if Windows Phone has Wireless Syncing much like the Zune did...
 

Imaginer

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This is exactly what I posted a week ago after canceling my pre-order . IMO, the keyboard experience is very, very lacking... for people like me who type a lot, this is a huge deal breaker. This, in no way, is a MBA killer. If they put in as much energy as they did in the upper body to build a top-notch keyboard as a dock, I'll gladly pay them $1500-2000.

Although, I'll say this: for people who are not into typing a lot, this would make an amazing machine.

I type quite a bit, and find the keyboard across the Type covers to be fine. The shallowness may need some getting used to if you are used to a deeper depression (think like going from a vehicle's manual shifter with large shifting moments, to a vehicle with shorter, shifting moments of a manual transmission). It is quite fine, and capable.

It may feel flimsy, but it shouldn't hamper anything at the very least, other than seem off at first. Though much like my comment in the paragraph above, one would need to accomodate to not slam their fingers to the keys.

With the keyboard, I can basically type in any sitting orientation, outside of a solid desk or table surface even. I had no problems typing indian style with the device cradled in my legs.

I would say with the Tablet PC/Hybrid design - with the hardware located at the top, this means all of that possible heat isn't on one's legs if one is using the kickstand. But with the Surface Pro 3, the significant amount of heat is generated when taxing to the maximum processing capability.

I also would say that in a kickstand design, one isn't inclined to really push the device to the tip of their knees for use, given a needed leg runway - a tradeoff with the convertible design which is why I want more OEMS to adopt to what Lenovo has with the Yoga like devices, but have a pen (Wacom would be nice but if implemented as nicely as N-Trig with the Surface Pro 3 but having an eraser end would be almost just as nice).

A tradeoff with a solely laptop design - I can't draw or write directly on the screen with a pen device. If I touch it if a laptop has a touch screen, it is no different than touching and interacting with a Type cover in that flimsiness.

At the very least, I want Wacom and their next Cintiq Companion to up their game with a matching or better screen than the Surface Pro 2 (I said 2 because I find that screen to be a bit better), in almost the same size in foot print, with their top digitizer in them. Coupled with Type cover compatibility with Microsoft, it would be a sure win with them (As I do not like their solution for a keyboard).
 
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bearxor

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For those of you that have had your SP3's a few days now, how bad is the back light bleed? The SP1 has terrible bleed, especially on the bottom right corner and the SP2's I've seen are a little better but not by much.
 

sweenish

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This is likely my next device and it will replace a long-stationary laptop.

Simply the ability to quickly switch between keyboard and pen input sells this thing so hard for me. I played with a store unit, and it is nice. Typing will be fine for me, a definite step up from my previous laptop.

That, and the Pro line is what I imagined the iPad would be years ago.
 

EightySix Four

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For those of you that have had your SP3's a few days now, how bad is the back light bleed? The SP1 has terrible bleed, especially on the bottom right corner and the SP2's I've seen are a little better but not by much.

I haven't noticed it and I normally do, but I will check on a black screen when I get home this afternoon if you'd like.
 

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I might be in the market for an actual portable laptop -- my 14" has been great but it weighs a ton and si hueg. The Surface looks good, but I can get an 11" Dell for about $500. The hardware is obviously worse. We'll see.
 

finbarqs

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yup, pretty much on par with what everyone else says about the device. But I think this device was catered towards artists more than anything: People who doesn't want to spend 3K on a cintiq companion.

But in the end I think that's what's going to happen. For me, they *almost* got this right.
 

Ravynmagi

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I'm having trouble writing on the SP3. It's definitely better than the Dell Venue 8 Pro (everything is better than that). But it's not nearly as good as the Surface Pro 1. The lines are not quite as smooth and the cursor seems more imprecise. I tried calibrating it, but it's still the same.

Maybe I got a bad tablet. Because the reviewers had me expecting it would be as good, if not better at handwriting than the SP1/SP2. Just curious, has anyone else had trouble with handwriting on the SP3?
 

Imaginer

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I'm having trouble writing on the SP3. It's definitely better than the Dell Venue 8 Pro (everything is better than that). But it's not nearly as good as the Surface Pro 1. The lines are not quite as smooth and the cursor seems more imprecise. I tried calibrating it, but it's still the same.

Maybe I got a bad tablet. Because the reviewers had me expecting it would be as good, if not better at handwriting than the SP1/SP2. Just curious, has anyone else had trouble with handwriting on the SP3?

Off of OneNote alone, my lines are definitely thinner - due to the shallower, needed pressure difference.

My handwriting, and strokes aren't as smooth, but not exaggeratedly so, only by a tiny bit. It seems a bit like a comparison to cutting a piece of wood freeform on a bandsaw with a rough blade, versus running a piece of wood with a fence guide at a proper tooth count, for making smooth cuts - (the smooth cut being the Wacom, and the rough blade being N-Trig) - but that is going off topic-ish.

But yes, you aren't the only one noticing that the Wacom implementations is a bit more smoother. But it shouldn't be drastically different. Calibration is relatively spot on for me and I have no problem with the cursor to pen tip matchup.
 

EightySix Four

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Off of OneNote alone, my lines are definitely thinner - due to the shallower, needed pressure difference.

My handwriting, and strokes aren't as smooth, but not exaggeratedly so, only by a tiny bit. It seems a bit like a comparison to cutting a piece of wood freeform on a bandsaw with a rough blade, versus running a piece of wood with a fence guide at a proper tooth count, for making smooth cuts - (the smooth cut being the Wacom, and the rough blade being N-Trig) - but that is going off topic-ish.

But yes, you aren't the only one noticing that the Wacom implementations is a bit more smoother. But it shouldn't be drastically different. Calibration is relatively spot on for me and I have no problem with the cursor to pen tip matchup.

I changed the pen type to "medium" instead of "thin" in onenote and it made a world of difference.
 

darkewaffle

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Wacom looks thicker and more like what you'd expect on a computer screen (smoother, more marker-like) while the Ntrig looks like it was written with a real pen imo.
 

Imaginer

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https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Pro+3+Teardown/26595

iFixit tear down shows the SSD is still upgradeable. However you risk cracking the thin display glass trying to pry it open from it's adhesive bonds. Gets a 1 out of 10 in repairability.

I expected this much - in other words, spec out your device at most as what you come to expect of it's lifetime - as I have been saying with any laptops and mobile devices.

Memory being a biggest reason of upgrade along with onboard storage for installs (though one can get around it by having installs on external drives and microSD cards with no problems either).

A perpetuation of some false information - the issue of interrupting Windows icon on the side, is not an issue for me. With the pen in place or the palm blocking recognizing blob of hand fist, it didn't activate. It would only do so, if your fist somehow was a decidedly same touch footprint as a finger press would (which would be unlikely unless with the pen in hand, you brush/touch that area with your pinkie knuckle first).
 

EightySix Four

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A perpetuation of some false information - the issue of interrupting Windows icon on the side, is not an issue for me. With the pen in place or the palm blocking recognizing blob of hand fist, it didn't activate. It would only do so, if your fist somehow was a decidedly same touch footprint as a finger press would (which would be unlikely unless with the pen in hand, you brush/touch that area with your pinkie knuckle first).

Yeah, that was fixed in the latest firmware update. It also takes a few seconds to activate following the removal of the pen from the screen.
 

finbarqs

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really wish i could make an egpu for this.... but alas... looks like mini display is used instead of tbolt...

One thing that stood out to me when I saw the units at best buy was how wide a 3:2 aspect ratio actually. Quite surprised actually. Just slightly less wide than a 16:10 format.
 
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sweenish

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really wish i could make an egpu for this.... but alas... looks like mini display is used instead of tbolt...

One thing that stood out to me when I saw the units at best buy was how wide a 3:2 aspect ratio actually. Quite surprised actually. Just slightly less wide than a 16:10 format.

Makes sense. Multiplied out 3:2 is 15:10.
 

Canbacon

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really wish i could make an egpu for this.... but alas... looks like mini display is used instead of tbolt...

One thing that stood out to me when I saw the units at best buy was how wide a 3:2 aspect ratio actually. Quite surprised actually. Just slightly less wide than a 16:10 format.

I thought they hinted of it having a thunderbolt port that was integrated into the power connector during their AMA.

http://www.wpcentral.com/surface-pro-3-ama-reddit-panos-panay
 

Roland00Address

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I thought they hinted of it having a thunderbolt port that was integrated into the power connector during their AMA.

http://www.wpcentral.com/surface-pro-3-ama-reddit-panos-panay

According to anandtech

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8077/microsoft-surface-pro-3-review/4

The device-side connector features 40 pins but you only need 12 of them to charge the device. The remaining pins are used for Gigabit Ethernet, USB, DisplayPort (up to 4096 x 2304) and audio. Microsoft seems hell bent on avoiding Thunderbolt at all costs so instead of embracing the standard it has created a custom alternative of its own doing. The benefit to Microsoft's connector is it can obviously deliver more power than Thunderbolt can, the downside is that it can't send PCIe and thus you don't get support for any ultra high bandwidth external storage devices. I still would rather see Microsoft implement Thunderbolt as there's at least an existing ecosystem built around that but here we are three generations into Surface and if we haven't seen it by now I don't think we're ever going to.
 
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