SweClockers: Geforce GTX 590 burns @ 772MHz & 1.025V

[BFG10K]

Unless this is happening at stock voltages/clocks then it’s a non-issue. Overclocking operates hardware outside of its rated spec which it was technically never designed to do. Just because some people get lucky with some hardware it doesn’t mean it should be an expectation.

 

[notty22]

I keep seeing the same swedish video's reported at numerous foreign language sites. Ananads , Hocp, Toms , Canucks are all hearing about this, I'll wait to they write articles addressing this topic. Armchair engineers declaring this or that is not helping anything.

I know its been posted, Nvidia's twitter comment.

 

[Grooveriding]

There are certainly no reports of a 590 blowing up at stock, but once you play around with overclocking, they seem to be explosive material.

Which is fine, but these are the sort of cards you'd want to overclock. And it's a tough spot for the 590 to be in, not being a safe card to overclock. Without overclocking the card is non-competitive.

It's already slower than a 6990 with both at stock in games that need the framerates. So if you can't overclock it, yet the 6990 still has all its headroom. The card is basically pointless.

It also just plain sucks that they are faulty once overclocked. When you spend $700 on a video card, you want to tweak and most certainly overclock that card. Takes all the fun out of it to buy an expensive card like that and just plug it in, throw on a measly 50mhz and call it done :thumbsdown:

 

[Piotrsama]

At least, the 590s are silent.... DEAD silent.

(pun intended )

 

[TerabyteX]

I'm kinda glad I was banned, Talk to you in a few days when this crap is on the second page and the damage needed to be achieved is done. :thumbsup:

Pardon me, why the worries of nVidia's image damage with this issue? Are you a shareholder? This is a serious issue, enthusiast hardware must use the best quality components in the market, as enthusiast love to extract every drop of performance of their hardware. The GTX 590 as it is, is for noobs who doesn't want to overclock and want simply a plug and play experience. Who will pay $700.00 for a videocard if isn't an enthusiast?

 

[tannat]

Unless this is happening at stock voltages/clocks then it’s a non-issue. Overclocking operates hardware outside of its rated spec which it was technically never designed to do. Just because some people get lucky with some hardware it doesn’t mean it should be an expectation.

Nonsense.

CPUs and GPUs are usually overclockable. The failure mode usually being that they don't overclock very well. Not blowing up. Especially not six out of a limited review set.

Some people got lucky since their cards did not blow up?

 

[Will Robinson]

Ok OK Ok thats one out of thousands.
You don't think other cards have done that?

Do you relize this topic is being amplified by 1000x by one guy who threw too many volts into one card? On top of that you have about 20 or so AMD marketers in these threads keeping these threads and this subject matter alive?

Badboy you are smarter then that. :thumbsup:

I'm kinda glad I was banned, Talk to you in a few days when this crap is on the second page and the damage needed to be achieved is done. :thumbsup:

 

[scooterlibby]

I would not purchase that card at those stock speeds, with that price, and what seems to be a high chance of failure when overclocked, but people are acting like it's some sort of right. Does anyone even remember the days when OC'ing was much more fraught with danger? Even if suggestive marketing makes you want to you OC (looking at ASUS here), people really should approach any stick of RAM, any GPU, any CPU, with caution and understand that you can blow it.

Again, I doubt I'll get the 590 because of the sensitivity to overclocks, but I'll never expect overclocking to be a risk free endeavor.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Even if it is the BIOS and voltage doing it, the damage is already done as far as perception I think. Curious what this means for longevity. Wasn't nvidia accused of putting out cards that pushed to far and shortened their lifespans a couple of other times? I seem to remember that with the 7900GTX

I really don't know why either company made dual GPU cards this time around, they already had too little margin to work with. Should have just saved the costs and put it towards something worthwhile.

 

[sandorski]

Even if it is the BIOS and voltage doing it, the damage is already done as far as perception I think. Curious what this means for longevity. Wasn't nvidia accused of putting out cards that pushed to far and shortened their lifespans a couple of other times? I seem to remember that with the 7900GTX

I really don't know why either company made dual GPU cards this time around, they already had too little margin to work with. Should have just saved the costs and put it towards something worthwhile.

It's all about bragging rights. I think both should have just decided not to. In fact, I think they should concentrate more effort on effective and lower noise Cooling solutions. Perhaps making a closed water cooling system their Flagship Product, instead of just a dual GPU.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I would not purchase that card at those stock speeds, with that price, and what seems to be a high chance of failure when overclocked, but people are acting like it's some sort of right. Does anyone even remember the days when OC'ing was much more fraught with danger? Even if suggestive marketing makes you want to you OC (looking at ASUS here), people really should approach any stick of RAM, any GPU, any CPU, with caution and understand that you can blow it.

Again, I doubt I'll get the 590 because of the sensitivity to overclocks, but I'll never expect overclocking to be a risk free endeavor.

Depends. Overclocking has gotten to the point where it isn't just expected, its built in (turbo modes on new CPUs). I wonder if the 5970 actually isn't partly to blame, as that's a card that they put it out and said, we put the clocks here just to keep its power draw in spec and then gave a big wink. Seemed like people expected the same with the 6990 and because of how low its clocked the 590. I think this really shows how big them missing the 32nm node was/is.

I think nvidia might have been too eager to prove they could make a dual GPU card using Fermi. I think they felt pressure, as this would have been two cycles without a dual GPU card while AMD had one both times. Whoops, should have put this on my other post.

 

[darkswordsman17]

It's all about bragging rights. I think both should have just decided not to. In fact, I think they should concentrate more effort on effective and lower noise Cooling solutions. Perhaps making a closed water cooling system their Flagship Product, instead of just a dual GPU.

My thoughts exactly. People who want these cards have a pretty good chance of also already being into watercooling. They could even do a semi self-contained unit like the HSFs you can get for CPUs now. I think this is showing that if they want to keep pushing, they're going to have to do something different. I would be all for a self-contained video card (i.e. comes with its own power supply in its own case where its cooling needs can be met). Maybe do this for high end cards. Nvidia already has an easy solution, their Tesla setups. Plus, it could enable them to be used with laptops (I would love to be able to have a nice svelte Sandy Bridge or Fusion based laptop that when I got home I could put it in a dock and up its capability).

I get the bragging, but I mean, its clearly inferior to just pushing two of their top end cards, so it just makes them look bad. I could understand if there was an actual need for bleeding edge cards like this, but there isn't (I understand that's completely different from a market for them). I think both would have been better served by admitting that because of still being at the current process node, it just wasn't feasible. They could have even copped out with an excuse about the PCIe spec or whatever.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Ok OK Ok thats one out of thousands.
You don't think other cards have done that?

Do you relize this topic is being amplified by 1000x by one guy who threw too many volts into one card? On top of that you have about 20 or so AMD marketers in these threads keeping these threads and this subject matter alive?

Badboy you are smarter then that. :thumbsup:

I'm kinda glad I was banned, Talk to you in a few days when this crap is on the second page and the damage needed to be achieved is done. :thumbsup:

Isn't it closer to 1 out of 15?

 

[bryanW1995]

You and Ruby are both wrong.

Its a tweaked bios from ASUS and on top of that, a software overvoltage program with the wrong voltage limits preset.

Bios= software
Asus smartdoctor = software

I don't even own a gtx580 and I know not to pump more then 1.15volts into them.
The only way to do more than 1.15v is to have that setting in the bios or a hacked bios.

I have not seen any official proof/reviews that any of these cards are blowing up using less than 1.1 volts, have you?

you're right, rubycon doesn't understand hardware at all... thank god you're here to set us straight!

 

[BFG10K]

Nonsense.

CPUs and GPUs are usually overclockable. The failure mode usually being that they don't overclock very well. Not blowing up. Especially not six out of a limited review set.

Some people got lucky since their cards did not blow up?

Are you for real? Whether it’s 100% or 0% that fail overclocked, it’s still not the card’s fault.

The card is rated to operate at the volts and clocks it ships from the factory. Anyone that goes above those is taking a risk. If the card blows up as a result it’s not “faulty”, it’s the individual at fault for operating it incorrectly outside of its rated parameters.

The only way the card would be faulty is if it failed at factory voltages/clocks, but that doesn’t seem to be happening here.

Don’t confuse the overclocking hysteria on the internet with something that is mandatory and guaranteed from any piece of hardware, because it isn’t. Just because little Timmy can overclock something it doesn’t mean you can, should expect it to, or is “faulty” because it can’t.

 

[Tempered81]

590's are pulled from newegg....

 

[insurgent]

It's true overclocking isn't guaranteed but then something like Asus' box that boasts 50% more performance through voltage tweaks encourages the practice, manufacturers provide the tools.

The cards also died due to apparent failure of OCP to kick in due to drivers, and that would mean a defective product out of the box since keys himself said "what is hardware without the software counterpart?". It shouldn't have died if the protection kicked in.

 

[dualsmp]

Maybe there really is a problem.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4791289&postcount=37

It's not about the cooling SKYMTL, the PWM is too weak, just as it is on the GTX 570. Two GTX 590 died the same way here, one in our test lab and one in a demo system of a reseller, both not overclocked or overvolted; Nvidia says some faulty components not found on retail parts caused it, but both us and TPU had retail package GTX 590's.

 

[SlowSpyder]

590's are pulled from newegg....

That must be because there is not a problem. I'm kind of surprised they did not find this during testing.

 

[sandorski]

Intel and Nvidia both have serious issues in the same year. AMD must have Secret Agents or something. :hmm:

 

[pcm81]

That must be because there is not a problem. I'm kind of surprised they did not find this during testing.

Testing? I doubt they had much chance for it. Clearly they did not expect 6990 to scale so well, so they thought that 2x downclocked 580s on 1 pcb will be good enough to beat 6990... Remember the 2 day delay due to drivers? I bet that's because they never designed the 590 to go above 500MHz and so, they had to do a 6 months worth of catching up in 2 weeks, to push it to semi competitive range of 6xxMHz... The problem with 590 is exactly the same problem as is with 580, it is too power hungry.

590 can be a great card if:
1. You clock it at 580 speeds
2. You give it 580 voltages
3. You install much much better power circuitry (This is what is failing now)
4. You install a cooler capable of 600+ watts of thermal capacity
5. You give it 700W of electrical power.

 

[Ilias]

Lol @ fermi based cards in general. ALWAYS something goes wrong with them. First compatibility issues and now this.

 

[Joseph F]

This is just sad to see... I guess this is what happens when nVidia (or anyone for that matter) tries to rush a product to market.

 

[Annisman*]

Lol @ fermi based cards in general. ALWAYS something goes wrong with them. First compatibility issues and now this.

I think Fermi does surprsingly well in the mid-middle/high end ranges

GTX 460, and 560 are some of the best cards for the dollar right now, and the GTX 580 was a slam dunk compared to the 480.

How Nvidia can skimp on components (I'm assuming) for a 700$ card is beyond me though...

 

[Meghan54]

On top of that you have about 20 or so AMD marketers in these threads keeping these threads and this subject matter alive?



I'm kinda glad I was banned,

Where's your proof of that statement, HM? Or are you just so green loyal that you'll just simply lie and hope it's accepted as fact? Or is it just that you cannot fathom anyone criticizing Nvidia products unless they're a paid AMD employee....which is just what you're saying? I thought that sort of statement was not within this sub-forum's guidelines.

Guess exceptions are always made, though.