so they had store bought retail cards then?
267.52 were the driver included in the BOX. With the card.
What do you mean with "pre-press"?
so they had store bought retail cards then?
SweClockers said:Kontentan av det hela är att installera den senaste mjukvaran från Nvidias webbplats och till varje pris undvika drivrutinen som medföljer i kartongen, som enligt uppgift är just den felaktiga versionen 267.52. Den som planerar att överklocka bör dessutom se till att ha god ventilation i chassit och vara medveten om att garantin inte gäller om frekvenserna höjs över specifikationerna.
No idea, but this is what they write:
"The gist of it all is to install the latest firmware from Nvidia's website and at all costs avoid the driver that comes in the box, which reportedly is precisely the wrong version 267.52. Those who are planning to overclock should also be sure to have good ventilation in the chassis and be aware of the warranty on the frequency is increased beyond specifications."
Using drivers 267.52
Press release drivers were 267.71's as per Ryan Smith here at AT.
Like I said, the problem lies with using the pre-press drivers.
and what bench were they running. Methinks Furmark. That's what most use to check stability, or MSI afterburner which has Furmark sort of built in. Someone should ask them. It would have been cool if they had shown the screen while running the video.
If Nvidia don't feel like sending drivers that don't fry the card, you can't really blame Sweclockers now, can you?
I don't know why NV just didnt make a really beefy card with the best components, then clock it to gtx580 speeds raping the 6990, with the "fastest halo" they could have sold it for $900 and people would still buy it and not give a damn about being "loud" or "power hungry".
Its like their marketing dept. is still suffering from the gtx480 syndrome and they've gone all soft releasing this crap card "ooh it's nice and quiet!" aimed at "enthusiasts" when its clearly not of the build quality that enthusiasts expect.
The spin is just ungodly in this forum, I understand why people think it's a joke.
I don't know why NV just didnt make a really beefy card with the best components, then clock it to gtx580 speeds raping the 6990, with the "fastest halo" they could have sold it for $900 and people would still buy it and not give a damn about being "loud" or "power hungry".
Its like their marketing dept. is still suffering from the gtx480 syndrome and they've gone all soft releasing this crap card "ooh it's nice and quiet!" aimed at "enthusiasts" when its clearly not of the build quality that enthusiasts expect.
Because it would grossly break PCIe spec and would REQUIRE water cooling.
Because it would grossly break PCIe spec and would REQUIRE water cooling.
Enthusiasts haven't cared for PCIe specs since forever. The 6990 in ASUM mode can use ~450W easily and its cooler is still able to do the job while remaining @ 54 dB, open benchtop, 30cm away. They could have gone harder with the 590. Somewhere along the way, SOMEBODY at NV decides enthusiasts wouldn't mind getting subpar hardware and that noise/power consumption was the biggest issue. No it's not. Clearly, dual GPU cards as long as they use similar or in most cases less power than the CF/SLI single cards, it's not a problem.
Problem with GF110 is that it is too power hungry... Look at power draw of 580SLI - 719W
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-580-sli-review/14
This is what 590 would draw if designed to be all it can be.
Here is another bench of many cards
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4209/amds-radeon-hd-6990-the-new-single-card-king/18
580SLI is claimed to pull 620W... don't know why the 100W difference
But 6970CF pulls 564W, which is the worst case scenario for a 6990 power draw. The problem with going that high in wattage is that you can not cool it with air AND you are really really breaking pcie spec. PCIE2.0 tops at 450w? The 8-pin connectors are 150W each and I think the slot is 150W also? Slot used to be 75 in pcie 1.0... So, we have 6990 which at 830MHz conforms to PCIe 2.0 and breaks it at 880MHz. And then we have GTX590 which breaks it at stock... The reason being is b/c 590 is factory overclocked to actually be competitive with 6990. This is why there is very little if any at all OC margin on most 590s.
So, what we have is:
6990 at 830MHz conforms to PCIe2.0
6990 at 880MHz breaks PCIE2.0
590GTX at stock breaks PCIE2.0
590GTX OC stays under PCIE2.0 after it explodes.
I don't know why NV just didnt make a really beefy card with the best components, then clock it to gtx580 speeds raping the 6990, with the "fastest halo" they could have sold it for $900 and people would still buy it and not give a damn about being "loud" or "power hungry".
Its like their marketing dept. is still suffering from the gtx480 syndrome and they've gone all soft releasing this crap card "ooh it's nice and quiet!" aimed at "enthusiasts" when its clearly not of the build quality that enthusiasts expect.
Their only mistake was relying on software instead of hardware to prevent overclockers from ruining their cards.
they probably didn't think that AMD would go so far above pci spec. I don't blame them for not making the card "better" than 6990, especially when you consider the huge manufacturing advantage that AMD has as you approach the power/thermal envelope. In fact, imho it's amazing that they were able to even release a card at all that can go toe to toe with 6990. Their only mistake was relying on software instead of hardware to prevent overclockers from ruining their cards.
How many damaged cards or non damaged cards, makes no difference to me. What bothers me some about this is Nvidia seems to be depending quite a bit on software to protect their hardware in the 590. The hardware itself should be more fail safe and protecting itself.
'Well, nVidias engineering squad have just completed work on a BIOS that is intended to prevent future GTX590 explosions. We will be watching nVidia to find out when it might be available and will let you know. It would be nice to get a clarification from nVidia about which customers could be affected by the exploding card problem and whether it is necessary for all customers to update their BIOSes.
nVidia has also said that additional warranty problems relating to exploding GTX590 cards will be dealt with by the manufacturer who shipped you the card, rather than by nVidia itself. So the returns policy should be Back to your local store, as per normal.
nVidia has yet to make a statement regarding customers who want to return GTX590 cards because they are scared that there are safety issues. Its a little bit of a grey area, so some clarification would be nice.'