[Sweclockers] Radeon 380X coming late spring, almost 50% improvement over 290X

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MeldarthX

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Death I totally forgot about there; Asus is floating at 208 right now; 970 is 250.....

but we're getting OT here; but 290s are at least 40 less than 970

Has there been anymore word on Fiji?? *when I hear Fiji I think of Lister from Red Dwarf*
 

utahraptor

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Someone on chiphell posted today "Water Cooling, Load≈74 °, Power≈285W" and there was promise of something being published next week.
 

exar333

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Someone on chiphell posted today "Water Cooling, Load≈74 °, Power≈285W" and there was promise of something being published next week.

Nice....

My only concern with the 380x is the 4GB memory limit. The bandwidth will be amazing, but will 4GB be enough for greater than standard 1440P resolutions?
 

Gloomy

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I don't really care what it has as long as it has at least 3GB and doesn't present a higher amount to games than is actually usable.
 

tential

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I think 4GB HBM will be enough for now.

There aren't cards with higher VRAM that are mainstream. Devs aren't going to target 6GB VRAM just for Titan owners... and those with 8GB AMD variant cards.
 

DownTheSky

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I think 4GB HBM will be enough for now.

There aren't cards with higher VRAM that are mainstream. Devs aren't going to target 6GB VRAM just for Titan owners... and those with 8GB AMD variant cards.

4GB should be enough till the next consoles. As some people wrote here, more than 4GB is impossible atm with HBM (on 4x1024 bit interface)
 

tential

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4GB should be enough till the next consoles. As some people wrote here, more than 4GB is impossible atm with HBM (on 4x1024 bit interface)

If I'm not mistaken, Nvidia will be moving to HBM too with next round of GPUs aren't they?
 

Magic Carpet

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I Hope it has more than 4GB.
4GB is so 2014 ^^
You might get a 290X with 8 gigs of VRAM on the used market with the next round from AMD. Just have some patience. Doubt 3x0 will have more than 4. But in 2016 if we get lucky.... maybe then.
 

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biostud

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If launch is imminent, holy crap I'm excited, hopefully its ~50% faster than R290X and reasonably priced.

I dont think its close though because board pics and such would be available from AIB leakers at least a month in advanced.

8000 SEK ~ $1000 so $799 without sales taxes.
 

destrekor

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8000 SEK ~ $1000 so $799 without sales taxes.

Which is exactly what I'd expect if the performance over the 980 is accurate. It won't be reasonably priced in the sense that you can get it for the price of the 980 - AMD has a lot of expenses to recoup and, frankly, until a product challenges it, it'll command a premium over what is available on the market, and rightly so.

Look at the launch prices of the R9 series. The only reason they are affordable now is because Nvidia slotted the 970 under them and the 980 at that price. That forced AMD's hand to drop prices significantly. Until the Maxwell series, they were priced competitively, though I'd preferably not like to see that price as normal. With the high prices of the 780 series, they were slotted in at perfect pricing, and were often impossible to get a hold of due to that very reason (especially because, as usual, they were excellent for mining algorithms).

I don't expect the 380/390 affordable until Nvidia forces their hand again, if they can. They'll be on the Maxwell series for the entire year, so the best they can do is release the GM200 and some perhaps cut-down GM200's as upper-range 9xx cards. I wouldn't doubt if perhaps, after focusing on a Titan 2 SKU, they make a GTX 990 single-GPU. I don't think they'd make the 980 Ti out of the GM200 after the 980 used the GM204, and it seems unlikely Nvidia will release a dual-gpu card under anything but the Titan brand these days so that frees up the x90 SKU.

Perhaps a 990 with a lower-clock GM200, and then a 990 Ti with a ramped-up GM200. A cut-down GM200 could serve as 985, or perhaps a 980 Ti but that doesn't fit the trend, though it is not entirely unprecedented.
All of which will almost assuredly be slotted in around that $700-1000 price range, slowly bumping down the prices of the lesser 9xx cards as more GM200-based cards are released.
Thinking about it, they could do 985 and 985 Ti if they don't want to touch the x90 branding. They might surprise and keep the GM200 solely for Titan brands, and/or strangely make the 980 Ti so significantly different from the 980.
 

garagisti

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More likely is Never Settle 3 Bundle.


I want it to be the 3xx series announcement... I'm just not betting on it.
Didn't the bundles got announced with new cards. There was always something new when bundles were announced.

I bet The Fixer is announcing a promotion for duped 970 buyers to switch.

https://twitter.com/amd_roy/status/560462075193880576

If this is how they launch the 380x though... haha, that would be great. Too bad it'll probably be too expensive for me even after returning the 970 based on the leaked specs of it beating 980s though.
It would be nice if the 3xx cards get launched, period! Personally, i'd consider even doing a soft launch, if i were at AMD and ask retailers to not squeeze out people like they did last time. I do feel for retailers though, but they shouldn't be covering their losses on account of Nvidia from AMD customers.

BTW, i suspect that it is mostly a promo for Nvidia users
 

jackstar7

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Mining also had a hand in the pricing (both high and low) of the 29x series. It wasn't just reacting to the competition.
 

RussianSensation

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Nice....

My only concern with the 380x is the 4GB memory limit. The bandwidth will be amazing, but will 4GB be enough for greater than standard 1440P resolutions?

I think you'd have to be in either of these 2 groups then:

1) You are buying more than 1 flagship $700 card. Considering 980 SLI struggles at 4K in many games, it's not going to be possible to max out 4K on a single GM200/380X anyway.

2) You are buying more than 2 cards for high rez gaming and intending to keep them for longer than 2.5-3 years. I personally think many high-end gamers who will be buying dual GM200s/380X will upgrade to 14/16nm by 1H of 2017, so it would be a moot point, except for the 2nd hand owner.
 
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I'm moving to 4K with either SLI GM200 or CF R380X/390X. So definitely more than 4GB vram is a must.

But it's also true that developers will target 4GB vram since consoles have shared memory access, so they can't really push it to 6GB as its not dedicated. It's also true for me, I don't care about MSAA at 4K, the pixel density does the job of AA just fine.

Hmm. Choices, choices..
 

garagisti

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I'm moving to 4K with either SLI GM200 or CF R380X/390X. So definitely more than 4GB vram is a must.

But it's also true that developers will target 4GB vram since consoles have shared memory access, so they can't really push it to 6GB as its not dedicated. It's also true for me, I don't care about MSAA at 4K, the pixel density does the job of AA just fine.

Hmm. Choices, choices..
I was buying a TV and a good 1080p one cost me as much as a half-decent 4k tv and it has a true 120hz panel. It was obvious what i was going to do. Yes, till they release new firmware, it is only at 30hz, but still more resolution than 1080 is more resolution than 1080. Besides a lot of the games are 30fps (including witcher 3), and most barely will run close to 60 with configuration that i can afford (which hopefully the manufacturer of my tv will enable).

Hmm, most likely it is going to be AMD for me, 380 or 390, unless they mess it up. I hope prices are reasonable...
 

Erenhardt

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I'm moving to 4K with either SLI GM200 or CF R380X/390X. So definitely more than 4GB vram is a must.

But it's also true that developers will target 4GB vram since consoles have shared memory access, so they can't really push it to 6GB as its not dedicated. It's also true for me, I don't care about MSAA at 4K, the pixel density does the job of AA just fine.

Hmm. Choices, choices..

4GB for 1080p or below with medium textures. PC master race will need a bunch more for elite settings and high resolutions.
 

AtenRa

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I really dont understand why we want to go to 4K. It would be way way better to have higher image quality at 1080p.

edit: I would prefer a 3x 1080x1920 (3240x1920) at very high image quality (very high texture quality and 2-3 times higher lighting) than current games at 4K.
 
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RussianSensation

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I really dont understand why we want to go to 4K. It would be way way better to have higher image quality at 1080p.

edit: I would prefer a 3x 1080x1920 (3240x1920) at very high image quality (very high texture quality and 2-3 times higher lighting) than current games at 4K.

I would also take 3-4 times more realistic graphics over 4x more pixels with 40-50% better graphics. I guess it's too costly for developers to make next gen games specifically for the PC. So far, this is the worst console PC gimping of all time. Never has a new console gen kept up so well with the PC given the major performance advantage our hardware already has just 1 year after PS4/XB1 launch. Pretty much all new AAA PC games are console ports now, with just slightly better graphics. Most of the advantages come from FPS, not as much about graphics. Even Witcher 3 smells console port, with the developer not even having finalized M+K controls.

What all of this means is that as PC gamers we want some other means to boost our graphics and the most obvious is 4K. Also, 4K benefits general PC usage, making things like text and movies sharper on a larger screen. I am very much interested in a 32-40" 4K monitor upgrade down the line. But I agree with you that if you take existing gen graphics and slap 4K on them, that's still not truly next gen graphics. A true next gen game engine/graphics at 1080p would look way more impressive than Crysis 3/Metro LL at 4K.

Dying Light is a pretty good looking game. At least the bar for average graphics is increasing. I expect some good looking games in 2015, maybe not revolutionary like Crysis 1 was but a lot better than the disappointing 2014 year. Given the lack of PC optimizations though it seems whatever advantages 380X and GM200 will bring are likely to get wiped out by horrible PC optimization.
 
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wand3r3r

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Agreed with RS. It's the sharpness that I love! We do need next gen 4k games to blow everything current out of the water.

I really dont understand why we want to go to 4K. It would be way way better to have higher image quality at 1080p.

edit: I would prefer a 3x 1080x1920 (3240x1920) at very high image quality (very high texture quality and 2-3 times higher lighting) than current games at 4K.

Have you tried 4k?

I love the detail and density. If the textures support higher resolutions it looks absolutely stunning imo. It's by far the biggest jump in visuals that I have seen in a long time. Granted a 40" 4k monitor may be different then the lowly 28" which I have experience with.
 
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