[Sweclockers] Radeon 380X coming late spring, almost 50% improvement over 290X

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boozzer

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boozzer already has a 290 so there is no reason to buy anything else right now anyway. But he brings up a laptop with a 980m.......

If he is wanting a laptop then waiting till july makes no sense at all.
There will not be much better for laptops. I dont think the 380/390x will change the laptop landscape much at all. I could be wrong but i am pretty sure that anyone getting a gm204 laptop today will be just fine even after other chips launch this year. The gm200, 380, or 390(x) wont make a major difference in the laptop world. Even if AMD manages to somehow best maxwell efficiency, it wont be by much. Its really gonna be a great accomplishment if they even reach parity.

If he is interested in a great gaming laptop, i think the gm204 is the chip for that. Waiting makes little sense to me if we are talking about laptop purchases.
my current laptop can handle games in it's low native res on low to medium settings. cannot play any of the new games that are gpu intensive obviously. it will tie me over till I am ready to upgrade. it isn't like I am waiting for it while I can't play any game.

why do you care about maxwell efficiency so much? who in their right mind games on battery with a gaming laptop? I never understood the big hoopla over the 50 watt savings on the desktop version either. all I care about is the eye candy, fps + smooth gameplay when I turn on my games. expensive laptops that comes with top end gpus all have excellent cooling. gaming laptops have matured very well over the last 10 years.

I just want to see what amd has in store in the mobile department, 980m is about the same as a gtx 770. I wondered what a mobile 380x can do is all. the laptop has to last me 3+ years, waiting 5 months is ok in my book.
 

ocre

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my current laptop can handle games in it's low native res on low to medium settings. cannot play any of the new games that are gpu intensive obviously. it will tie me over till I am ready to upgrade. it isn't like I am waiting for it while I can't play any game.

why do you care about maxwell efficiency so much? who in their right mind games on battery with a gaming laptop? I never understood the big hoopla over the 50 watt savings on the desktop version either. all I care about is the eye candy, fps + smooth gameplay when I turn on my games. expensive laptops that comes with top end gpus all have excellent cooling. gaming laptops have matured very well over the last 10 years.

I just want to see what amd has in store in the mobile department, 980m is about the same as a gtx 770. I wondered what a mobile 380x can do is all. the laptop has to last me 3+ years, waiting 5 months is ok in my book.

I never bought a "gaming" laptop. Really dont think the two go together very well at all. As far as your questioning me, why do i care about maxwell efficiency so much????

What a strange thing to say considering you just posted this:

guys, how reliable is this info for 50% over 290x?

I would so freaking upgrade if true, even though I just bought a 290. 50% is enough of a performance threshold for me to upgrade.

damn, was going to buy a laptop with a 980m. now I am gonna wait a few months and see what amd has going for the mobile gpus.

So now i am not sure why i bothered even responding to you. Obviously your just playing a little game here.

I dont care what you buy, i really really dont.

As far as maxwell efficiency, what? I wasnt bragging or going on about it? huh?
But surely you understand that there will not be a 300watt GPU shoved in a laptop. The only reason i brought up a mobile gm204 is because you just did, in the post above me. the 980m. Its the most powerful mobile gpu you can buy right now. This is because of its efficiency, which is the most important aspect when designing a mobile GPU. .

The 980m is the best mobile GPU you can get now. In this space, things are not gonna change much for the rest of 2015. The 980m will be a very solid performer now and for the rest of the year. Even if it manages to get dethroned, it wont be by much.

But honestly, i really dont even know what you are talking about. the 980m and 390x dont belong in the same conversation at all.

<cursing>!!!! I was gonna buy a 980m but now because of the watercooled 390x rumor I am gonna have to wait????

I dont care what you do or if you are gonna wait 6 months for AMD to launch the 390x. I was just being real with you on how i felt about it. Your not gonna get much better than a 980m, its an extremely good mobile GPU. Waiting is all on you. But if you dont want people to weigh in on your situation, than why would you make such a post?
 

garagisti

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@ocre, the discounts can be great. You also get free upgrades on ram, ssd etc. If you're buying from say xotic, lpc-digital etc, add in cash discount and you can save a decent chunk of money. Also, there are rumours about mobile Nvidia parts now, so prices can only get lower, and how is that a bad thing. As RS suggests, add in skylake, and things should get really interesting. In the meanwhile, if i were buying, i would keep qn eye on mobile amd parts too. Why not?
 

boozzer

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oh come on, once the 380x releases, I am 100% sure the mobile part will follow soon enough, just look at how fast 980m followed 980. why is it such a bad thing to wait a bit for something I would be using for 3+ years? and if 390x is 50% faster than 380x, I would wait 100%, that is too much performance lost in just few months if I buy.

so efficiency = performance????? I honestly thought it was just power to performance ratio? am I wrong? if that is the case, I misunderstood. cause I thought it was simply about power usage. I never said anything about a 300 watt gpu in a laptop. I am pretty sure I said amd mobile gpus.
 

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295W power usage @ 73C ==> 100% Hybrid WC system. Finally! I've been waiting for GPU makers to offer Hybrid AIO CLC as standard for years! WOW, that means 600W exhausted out of the case and cool and quiet CF setup. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Perf/watt won't match Maxwell but relative to the 295X2, it's a massive improvement given how close the performance is.

34% more gaming performance over the 980 and 51% over the 290X. Sounds like it will be a close fight between this card and the GM200. If GM200 can overclock 20% or more and has 6GB of VRAM, I think GM200 will be the winner unless NV prices it out into the stratosphere.

380X's performance is more than double that of a 280X which means 4096 SPs @ 1Ghz and > 500GB/sec of memory bandwidth are almost a shoe-in. Exciting times ahead. I think 980 owners need to think twice about keeping their card as its resale value will plummet like a rock soon. Feels good to be right about GM204 980 being a mid-range 960Ti priced at $550-600. Really pumped to see how close in performance the R9 380 non-X is and what it's price will be relative to the 380X.
 
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AnandThenMan

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I was hoping for better perf/watt myself, but if this is true looks very strong overall do want.
 

el etro

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HBM will make the card a expensive card. This 50% advantage over 290x indicates(if the leak is true) that the card is only GCN1.2 plus HBM. Not that good, not that bad.
 

garagisti

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HBM will make the card a expensive card. This 50% advantage over 290x indicates(if the leak is true) that the card is only GCN1.2 plus HBM. Not that good, not that bad.
Depends on how you look at it. It will certainly be nice for playing at higher resolutions, and low latency high speed memory will help. 2 of them and freesync will be great
 
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Perf/watt won't match Maxwell but relative to the 295X2, it's a massive improvement given how close the performance is.

Its close to a 50% gain in perf/w compared to R290X, according to that power use chart. The R380X uses 7W (SEVEN!) more than the R290X for ~50% performance gains.

If true, that already is a massive leap.
 

njdevilsfan87

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Its close to a 50% gain in perf/w compared to R290X, according to that power use chart. The R380X uses 7W (SEVEN!) more than the R290X for ~50% performance gains.

If true, that already is a massive leap.

And one the biggest ever if they are pulling this off on 28nm too. I hope its 28nm with these stats because that means 20nm will be even better.
 

el etro

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Nice, gained 250 points in Fire Strike Extreme since the last fake benchmark!

Better drivers.

TBH, what matters to me is the info that the leaker says about the card being ready and launching between approximately three months.
 
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It will need to launch at similar times as the widespread launch of Freesync monitors from Samsung & LG.

That is absolutely a must meet goal if AMD still has any clever people left in charge.

@njdevilsfan87

I have a feeling that power usage bench used Furmark or the likes, because in gaming load, we know R290X is ~= or a tiny bit more than 780ti, which itself uses ~225W. So gaming load, IMO, R380X will be around 250W.
 
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96Firebird

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The most reliable source that has to do with timing is Gibbo, he said May-July. I'll start believing performance leaks around April.
 

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295W power usage @ 73C ==> 100% Hybrid WC system. Finally! I've been waiting for GPU makers to offer Hybrid AIO CLC as standard for years! WOW, that means 600W exhausted out of the case and cool and quiet CF setup.

Perf/watt won't match Maxwell but relative to the 295X2, it's a massive improvement given how close the performance is.

34% more gaming performance over the 980 and 51% over the 290X. Sounds like it will be a close fight between this card and the GM200. If GM200 can overclock 20% or more and has 6GB of VRAM, I think GM200 will be the winner unless NV prices it out into the stratosphere.

380X's performance is more than double that of a 280X which means 4096 SPs @ 1Ghz and > 500GB/sec of memory bandwidth are almost a shoe-in. Exciting times ahead. I think 980 owners need to think twice about keeping their card as its resale value will plummet like a rock soon. Feels good to be right about GM204 980 being a mid-range 960Ti priced at $550-600. Really pumped to see how close in performance the R9 380 non-X is and what it's price will be relative to the 380X.

Lol you seem to be trying too hard. I aim to be platform agnostic, but I also look at the business side of matters with the practical side of realism.

I don't argue that the 980 is a "mid-ramge" in that it is not the big chip, but are you honestly blaming Nvidia for this? As a gamer and fan of tech, I WANT this to work in our favor, but a market simply cannot work like that. Like... ever. Once in awhile, but not as a business M.O..

Now, moving on, yes, big chip GM200 should be the flagship, and hopefully when all is said and done, it is priced appropriately. But if the competition's big chip from a generation a year old is barely trading punches with your mid-size chip you are just now releasing, what are you honestly going to do? You price it competitively, and when the comp. drops the price, you let it go if the market accepts your price. So, yes, you are correct that the market should acknowledge this, but it is also a play by Nvidia, forcing AMDs hand. Those prices are hurting AMD, and Nvidia is trying to spur the next-gen development and make AMD compete with their product. Is this fair and good for gamers? Depends when you ask. Nvidia wants to dominate, but those very practices also spur competition, driving AMD to make a move.

AMD wants higher prices, as recognized by their launch prices for the 290 series. They got butchered aiming that high with the chip they developed. It was good timing and they got money from it, but Nvidia answered with ease.

I have a feeling AMD will set the lasting price for the 300-series era. Regardless if Nvidia or AMD is first out of the gates, AMD's chip and price is going to set the stage. If Nvidia is first with the 990/980Ti they set the first price; AMD can answer with a cheaper and stronger card and force Nvidia to meet their price.

AMD, simply needs to step up and meet the engineering of Nvidia. I wish I didn't have to type that, but let's be honest: Nvidia gets a way with the things they do because AMD can't go punch for punch, so we have to weight for AMD before we ever have a gamer-friendlu market. Don't forget: if AMD out competes just as well as Nvidia has, Nvidia would be dropping prices and undercutting where they can.

I mean, let's be real: is AMD seriously going to release a flagship single-GPU card that has a reference/mandatory hybrid/AIO cooling solution? That should not be happening, plain and simple.
I didn't realize reference measurements on the 290X were at 90+°C. That's simply wrong. If they are continuing that, they haven't made any significant improvements to the architecture, so perhaps Nvidia can match with GM200 derivatives and stay to the 900 series. If it works that way, I wouldn't expect great prices for the 300 series unless Nvidia forces AMD to drop prices. In the end, it might not be until the AMD 400 and Nvidia 1000 series that prices are favorable and they truly compete in both performance and efficiency.
 

96Firebird

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Didn't Samsung & LG announce wide availability of FS monitors around late Q1 or early Q2?

Yes, Samsung says March 2015. I was talking about Gibbo's ETA for the next AMD cards to hit the market. If he is correct, FreeSync monitors will be out before the new cards. Which I don't think is a big deal, but a simultaneous release could have pushed sales a little...
 

Carfax83

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Looking very strong, which is good because NVidia will have to lower it's prices.

So how much faster is the 390x going to be compared to the 380x?
 
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I mean, let's be real: is AMD seriously going to release a flagship single-GPU card that has a reference/mandatory hybrid/AIO cooling solution? That should not be happening, plain and simple.

Why not?

Are you choosing to ignore the potential 50% gains over a R290X with a tiny increase in power usage (we're talking 7W extra!)?

Why can't enthusiasts be happy with a high power, high performance card? In terms of efficiency gains, if the bench is real, that's already a major efficiency gain on top of massive performance gains.

Hybrid water cooling makes for the best reference design on enthusiast setup. Who can't fit a 120mm rad in their high-end rigs these days? Who wouldn't benefit from reduced temps, noise and heat exhausted out their case?

Water cooling is a damn winner, don't try to smear crap on it, it won't stick.
 
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