[Sweclockers] Radeon 380X coming late spring, almost 50% improvement over 290X

[Mondozei]

So Sweclockers are out. They are not posting a lot of stuff, but when they do, they're almost always 100% accurate. Historically, they've often talked about Nvidia stuff but now it's AMD's turn, and they do both confirmations and new info.

What you need to know:

1. Yes, HBM is coming. Yes, the 600+ GB/s bandwidth is coming. Hynix is doing their memory, which checks out from previous leaks (Confirmation)
2. Yes, 300 W is not a typo. (confirmation)
3. Yes, it looks like it will be watercooled.
4.. Release date? Q2, which means April/June, but Sweclockers talk about a late-Q2 bias, and specifically mention Computex.
5.. Performance? 45% or so above 290X. In other words, its going to be a beast.
6. Product line? Finally, the 380X is going to be a flagship. This asks the question of what will happen to 390X. My guess? It could be their dual-GPU. Just like Nvidia's 690X was. This isn't what Sweclockers wrote, they left out what will happen to 390X, but they did write that 380X is a flagship, which raises the question about 390X.

 

[Vesku]

Samsung and GF 16nm FinFET looks to be on track so maybe they plan to imitate Nvidia and roll out a "Hekatonkheires" 390 late this year or early next year priced at $750+.

I can't imagine AMD holding onto the 380X for a Computex debut if they can get it retail ready sooner. Top end cards are bought mainly by individuals and I doubt many think things like "better hold off on my GPU purchase to see what is shown at <insert tech tradeshow>". That said if they are really struggling to launch it they will strive to have at least limited quantities for a paperish Computex announcement.

 

[Gikaseixas]

which raises the question about 390X

Modern day HD 4890

 

[R0H1T]

So if this is the 380x then 390x would be something stupendous

Here's hoping AMD's left some gas in the tank for the 390x & more importantly that it (hopefully) comes with a die shrink.

 

[n0x1ous]

Changing x8 and x9 nomenclature again. 2900xt - 3870 -4870 -5870 -6970 -7970 -290 now back to x8 as flagship single gpu. I wish they would just make up their mind and stick to it.

 

[Mondozei]

By the way, one small clarification. Their improvement figure, 45%, is based on the SPs, not the HBM. Sweclockers readily admit that they didn't factor in the HBM into the equation because there's not enough info to warrant that, yet.

So we're looking at a card that could potentially blow past 50%.

 

[.vodka]

Speculation: 45% over the 290x in SPs is 2816*1.45=4083 which could be rounded up to 4096... And there's that entry in sandra's database with 4096SPs, too! It starts to make sense.

That, and the firestrike extreme score of 8121 on the other thread... which is 70% over the 290x's score... could that remaining percentage be the effect of Tonga's GCN + HBM, keeping those 4096SPs well fed?


If that's in fact the 380x's score and not the 390x's... Damn. But now with the 380x taking the 390x's place for the time being, what are they planning to release in the 390x's slot? Interesting. 390x at least sounds better than 295x2 if that were to be the case...

 

[Pinstripe]

28nm GloFo 380X by Spring
14nm FF GloFo 390X by Christmas

Sounds about right.

370 series will probably be Hawaii IP rehashes fabbed by GloFo, and 360 series Tonga IP.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Nice. I'm pretty good with 300W for that kind of performance. Good to see AMD still willing to go balls to the wall.

 

[dpodblood]

So what you're saying is my 290 that just arrived in the mail today is going to be out of date very soon?

 

[wand3r3r]

So what you're saying is my 290 that just arrived in the mail today is going to be out of date very soon?

Highly unlikely, unless you are willing to significantly increase your budget. They won't be cheap and definitely won't beat a 290 at $/performance initially.

 

[Rickyyy369]

The performance level, combined with running really cool and quiet because of the water cooling is going to make this an unbelievable card. This is the most excited I've been for a GPU release in recent memory.

 

[Dimestam]

Hello guys,

I'm the editor in chief of SweClockers and I feel obliged to respond since there seem to be a lot of stuff lost in translation. The news post is about the launch in late Q2, probably somewhere around Computex.

The rest is just a quick recap about the rumors floating around the net. Some more credible than others.

Best regards,
Andreas Dimestam

 

[RussianSensation]

Hello guys,

I'm the editor in chief of SweClockers and I feel obliged to respond since there seem to be a lot of stuff lost in translation. The news post is about the launch in late Q2, probably somewhere around Computex.

The rest is just a quick recap about the rumors floating around the net. Some more credible than others.

Best regards,
Andreas Dimestam

Welcome to AT Andreas!

Thanks for the clarification as I don't think you guys wanted to go on record and say that these were credible stats for the next gen AMD card from some insider that leaked them. I think it's fair to say these are all just rumours and you did confirm that. Certainly, there is no data there which proves or disproves that R9 380/390X will be exactly 45% faster or maybe slower than 45% or maybe beyond 45% faster. It seems you guys made an assumption that just like 290X scaled with 2816 SPs, that based on the rumoured 4096 SPs, you'd expect the 380X/390X to be at least 45% faster.

 

[Dimestam]

Welcome to AT Andreas!

Thanks for the clarification as I don't think you guys wanted to go on record and say that these were credible stats for the next gen AMD card from some insider that leaked them. I think it's fair to say these are all just rumours and you did confirm that. Certainly, there is no data there which proves or disproves that R9 380/390X will be exactly 45% faster or maybe slower than 45% or maybe beyond 45% faster. It seems you guys made an assumption that just like 290X scaled with 2816 SPs, that based on the rumoured 4096 SPs, you'd expect the 380X/390X to be at least 45% faster.

No problems! We always try to make a very clear distinction between unverified rumors and reports from our own (very credible) sources.

 

[purefun1965]

Stats are fake http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/9300727

 

[hawtdawg]

So, is this thing going to be 20nm? I can't imagine AMD making something that much bigger than the 290x on 28nm unless they managed to make some serious efficiency improvements.

 

[RussianSensation]

Stats are fake http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/9300727

Good catch. :thumbsup:

 

[Mondozei]

So, is this thing going to be 20nm? I can't imagine AMD making something that much bigger than the 290x on 28nm unless they managed to make some serious efficiency improvements.

That is the $64,000 question.

What we know is that AMD's Lisa Su has stated that they will release GPUs on 20 nm "in the next few quarters"(she said that in November). She didn't specify which ones. Making the jump to 20 nm is riskier than sticking with a more mature node, and it's more expensive too. This makes sense for high-margin, high-revenue parts. In other words, discrete GPUs.
But we still don't know for certain.

GloFo/Samsung will have 14 nm(which is really 20 nm with finfets) ready by autumn of this year. The low-power version is ramping up this spring and the other version, more suitable for big GPUs, is ramping up in the autumn as noted earlier. Hence the comment by Pinstripe about 14 nm in autumn for a possible 390X.

If Sweclockers' are correct, and their past record is certainly good, then it means that we should expect a 380X around a Computex timeframe.
I find it hard to believe that they will unseat their own flagship in the autumn, that's too close.

I think more likely they're going for a release in Q1 2016, to coincide with Pascal. It would be cool to finally see AMD/NV release their stuff at the same time.

 

[Techhog]

The 380X is 300W. So the 390X will be a 500W single GPU that'll burn out in 6 months then? Either way, it looks like I'll have to pass. :/ Absolutely pathetic.

 

[jackstar7]

The 380X is 300W. So the 390X will be a 500W single GPU that'll burn out in 6 months then? Either way, it looks like I'll have to pass. :/ Absolutely pathetic.

They may be re-shuffling the x80 to the flagship position again, and saving the x9x for the dual or whatever...

We won't know what's going on for another month+.

 

[KaRLiToS]

The 380X is 300W. So the 390X will be a 500W single GPU that'll burn out in 6 months then? Either way, it looks like I'll have to pass. :/ Absolutely pathetic.

What kind of assumption is that? :\
And all that based on various rumors.

 

[Techhog]

They may be re-shuffling the x80 to the flagship position again, and saving the x9x for the dual or whatever...

We won't know what's going on for another month+.

Hopefully by June. I want to upgrade in June.

 

[KaRLiToS]

http://wccftech.com/r9-380x-coming-q2-2015/

 

[WittyRemark]

28nm GloFo 380X by Spring
14nm FF GloFo 390X by Christmas

Sounds about right.

370 series will probably be Hawaii IP rehashes fabbed by GloFo, and 360 series Tonga IP.

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