Sweet deal on Thinkpad T60

[cw42]

Originally posted by: jbwhite99
To "CW42" I think there is a utility that will remap keys - at least their used to be one that was downloadable from ibm.com (Lenovo's website is still hosted by IBM). http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=lenovo&lndocid
MIGR-44185 The thing I hate about the T60 is that Lenovo put the ^#%#^@ Windows keys on the keyboard - give me back my spacebar!

Fixed link:

http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=lenovo&lndocid=MIGR-44185

 

[ss284]

Originally posted by: Shadowmage
You do know that just about the entire electronics industry is based in China and Taiwan, right?

The quality and morality of Taiwanese builders is way above that of China.

-Steve

 

[firebyyrd]

SS284, Taiwan builders usually have their factorys and plants located in China.

Most IBM Laptops are built in China anyways even before Lenovo took over. You look at your entire PCs, most parts are built by China factories, quality is rising and not degrading. Get real please. If you don't buy anything from China, then you won't be buying anything electronics.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Deal is still alive at $1013 pre-tax:

http://www.costcentral.com/proddetail/Lenovo_ThinkPad_T60_1953/1953D6U/J49834/

 

[akshatp]

Seems like a good deal.. Add $60 for 512mb upgrade for a total of 1gb and you have one sweet laptop for around 1100...

Anyone know how good Lenovo is with rebates?

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: greenwar
And that dell laptops are built at china as well, possibly a lesser known company.

all laptops more or less are made by companies like mitac, compal, ecs, arima, lenovo, asus, etc.

some of the older thinkpads were made by asus i believe. or maybe the sony brand ones.


you really cant escape manufacturing in china.

excellent deal i'd say.. the thinkpad laptops are great, though honestly i'm still too cheap to get one over a super cheap dell deal.

 

[Solema]

Nobody mentioned that the T60 also comes with Windows XP PROFESSIONAL, while any of the Dell deals come with XP Home. For those on a Domain at work (or home, like me) this makes this T60 even hotter! I'd be all over it if my wife would let me finance it!

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: TekDemon

Originally posted by: wazzledoozle

Originally posted by: cw42

Originally posted by: jnmunsey
Now that this line of laptops is directly owned by a Chinese company, I will avoid them at all costs. Offshoring manufacturing to China has resulted in a drop in quality on a grand scale. Selling an entire division to China makes it even worse.

Even if the Chinese made decent products there are numerous other reasons to steer clear. If you can't think of any or don't care then, well, my condolences.

Check your clothes, shoes, and practically every piece of electronics you own. I'm betting way more than half of it has something in it that's "Made in China". Get real budday.

Actually my shirt was made in Mexico, and my pants in Columbia. The only two pieces of clothes I have that I know were made in China are my hoody, and my backpack, both of which are falling apart and have been replaced once before.

Enjoy high quality Thinkpads while you can...

I think you're a protectionist lunatic who doesn't even realize that now that Lenovo owns the Thinkpad brand Thinkpad prices have actually gone down while quality hasn't.

Lenovo's cheaper line of less quality built notebooks is sold under their other line, the entire Thinkpad line is still held up to a much higher standard. Lenovo didn't spend a bazillion dollars acquiring the Thinkpad brand just to piss it away, if they wanted to build crappy notebooks they'd have just build crappy notebooks and gained market share on price alone (like pretty much every other notebook maker ever).

Seriously, IBM Thinkpads were great but priced out of most people's reach, and I don't think there's anything wrong with having the same quality now be accessible to more people because everything is being done by Lenovo now.

Yes there's plenty of crappy made in china stuff, but there's also plenty of multi-billion dollar Chinese mega-corporations who are all about gaining market share by making competitive products and not just the cheapest possible stuff.

If you think everything Chinese has to suck then I think you better turn your computer off because I'll bet that a good percentage of all those little components soldered onto all those PCBs are actually from China.

the issue isn't where it's made, it's how QC is done.


Typically chinese companies make sh!tty products when they're doing their own quality control.


When IBM was doing QC of course they were making good product.

 

[Chadder007]

I donno about Thinkpads still....i have 12 hard drives out of a 34 T4x models that we had purchased 3 years ago sitting in my desk drawer because they have all failed.

 

[Vcize]

To all the people out there spouting off stuff like "most electronics are made in China" and "Dell is made in China" and even "the computer you're using now is made in China" take a second and actually think about the issue at hand. The fact that most electronics are made in China has no bearing on this discussion.

If the Dell and the Thinkpad were the same price then sure, it makes sense to say the Dell is made in China also. But when we're talking about paying a premium for build quality if that build quality degrades to the same or similar level of quality of something nearly half the price that is a huge difference, even if the other option has the same build quality.

If you want to argue that the build quality hasn't changed then that's fine, but this nonsense about other stuff being made in China is completely and uterly useless. It's like Dodge putting a V8 into a Viper (instead of the V10 they use now) and people saying oh it doesn't matter because Corvettes, Mustangs, etc all have V8's too.....no kidding, but it doesn't make sense to pay a premium for a V10 if you're getting a V8, just like it wouldn't make sense to pay a premium for a laptop with superior build quality if it doesn't have superior build quality. Again, argue that the build quality is just as good as ever all you want, but don't spout off this drivel about most electronics being made in China which isn't even close to a sensible argument for the issue at hand.

 

[maximusfarticus]

Everything that comes from China is not of the same build quality. Your argument is completely unfounded. Fact is, Lenovo still carries over good build quality for the most part. It's better than most you will find. Asus maybe being the only other I can think of that can compare.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: jnmunsey
Now that this line of laptops is directly owned by a Chinese company, I will avoid them at all costs. Offshoring manufacturing to China has resulted in a drop in quality on a grand scale. Selling an entire division to China makes it even worse.

Even if the Chinese made decent products there are numerous other reasons to steer clear. If you can't think of any or don't care then, well, my condolences.

The same company that built Thinkpads when IBM owned them, makes them now. There are several major ODM's (Original Design Manufacturers) who make the notebooks for most every notebook company out there. Dell, HP, Fujitsu (I think), Lenovo, etc etc etc. Don't bother finding out where the rest of your electronics are manufactured either moron :roll:

Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
Now that they can adhere to their own quality standards, watch the Thinkpad line degrade into the long-awaited sub $500 Wal-Mart laptop.

I like how Lenovo's logo is blue like Dell's

Thinkpads will never get there. Some of Lenovo's own notebooks will be designed to compete directly with Dell's bottom of the line machines, but never a Thinkpad.

And Lenovo's logo looked like that before they bought IBM's PC divison. Gosh, imagine that, they existed before you heard of them.

Originally posted by: speedlever
Hmmm... so who really makes your laptop?

http://tinyurl.com/3lt6g

While that article is correct, I wouldn't give much credence to stuff from that site. You're reading articles from a company that sells laptops. Be amazed when they recommend the models they sell.

Originally posted by: Dieseldog

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Should I get this or the D620 from Dell? The Dell will give me a 7200rpm drive and an Nvidia graphics card, the only reason I'd go with the IBM is for build quality.

I'm interested in the answer to this question as well.

The D620 is MUCH improved over previous Latitude's. I've used several and have overall been rather impressed. One note: the 9-cell battery sticks out of the front of the machine, in front of the keyboard. Find a picture of it before you buy, it is a bit weird.

Thinkpads are still built better overall and have much better technology built into them (Active Protection, Spill Proof Keyboard, titanium reinforced CFRP, ThinkVantage utilities and security solution), but you can probably get a D620 for a very good price as well. Research the sizes and weights, make your decision from there; they're both very good machines.

Originally posted by: zixxer
the issue isn't where it's made, it's how QC is done.


Typically chinese companies make sh!tty products when they're doing their own quality control.


When IBM was doing QC of course they were making good product.

For the last f-ing time, DO YOU REALIZE THE SAME COMPANIES THAT MADE THINKPADS FOR IBM STILL MAKE THEM FOR LENOVO? GAWDDAMN

Originally posted by: Chadder007
I donno about Thinkpads still....i have 12 hard drives out of a 34 T4x models that we had purchased 3 years ago sitting in my desk drawer because they have all failed.

That sucks man, but keep in mind IBM/Lenovo doesn't make hard drives. The ones you have are likely Hitachi and/or Toshiba.

 

[CptObvious]

my favorite part about T-series Thinkpads (back when they were branded IBM) used to be the keyboards. they had a solid action to them, and didn't rattle like the thin plastic shells used by every other laptop manufacturer. the other day i checked out a T-series Lenovo Thinkpad at Office Depot and i felt the keyboard quality had gone downhill.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: CptObvious
my favorite part about T-series Thinkpads (back when they were branded IBM) used to be the keyboards. they had a solid action to them, and didn't rattle like the thin plastic shells used by every other laptop manufacturer. the other day i checked out a T-series Lenovo Thinkpad at Office Depot and i felt the keyboard quality had gone downhill.

There are multiple manufacturers of Thinkpad keyboards. In particular the "THAI" keyboard is often judged the best.

 

[drinkmorejava]

I'm just pissed that the T60s don't have tv-out