SWEET!!!

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
My point still stands, whoozyerdaddy-

The ancient Easter Islanders were a seafaring people. They cut down every last tree on their island, making canoes, leaving themselves impoverished and stranded on that one island... maybe we should cut down somebody else's trees.... save a few of our own, just in case we might need 'em later...

Orr is this just an extension of the James Watt school of conservation- might as well use it up now, because we won't need it when the end times come?

There are no trees where the drilling is going to occur.

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
"But you wont see a drop of that oil for 10 years..." So what? We should have been drilling up there 15 years ago. And adding a new spur to the pipeline + construction = JOBS!!! Good paying jobs at that.

Glad you enjoy permanently sh8ing in your own yard while pissing into the wind, just to recover a grand total of a couple of years of oil consumption at current rates.

U.S. The Department of Energy estimates:

The range of potential is from 5.7 to 16.0 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil (the 95 percent to 5 percent probability range).

U.S. oil consumption is almost 20 million barrels per day!. Assuming the best case estimate of recovering 16 billion barrels, that's only about a 750 day supply, and as you so casually note, it won't even be available for ten years.

All those so-called "good paying jobs" won't buy anyone any oil anytime soon, if ever, although I'm sure Halliburton will pocket yet more big time bucks. That's a freaking crock of sh8! :|

Settle down Beavis. Nobody is sh8tting anywhere. We're drilling!
And you know what... you don't live here. So I don't care.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm starting to believe that conservative thinktank drivel has finally done it, achieved the ultimate infantilization of intellect in America.

Nothing matters to the subject, other than the subject's immediate gratification. Me! Now! More!

Greed and myopia in one convenient package...

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Why are we in such a hurry to deplete our own reserves of what is and will continue to be a strategic resource? Is there some good reason to consume our own resources as quickly as possible, like a business liquidation sale?

Well, Cheyney's not going to live forever, you know.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
You guys and your six months... get real. If that were the case Prudhoe would have dried up decades ago. It's the single dumbest reason ever given for not drilling there. Get over it. ANWR will be pumping for DECADES!!! What's more it will give this state a huge boost. Jobs, lease royalties, oil royalties... Life is good.

You Alaskans getting cut a check every year from the gummint for doing nothing, isn't that paternalistic welfare, nothing but state socialism?

Doesn't that make you a dole slurping welfare pig?

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
I'm starting to believe that conservative thinktank drivel has finally done it, achieved the ultimate infantilization of intellect in America.

Nothing matters to the subject, other than the subject's immediate gratification. Me! Now! More!

Greed and myopia in one convenient package...

Actually it's an Alaska thing. We've been trying to get ANWR open for decades. And all the while we've had to listen to this line of environmentalist drivel exaggerating the situation or misrepresenting it altogether. Every single time we get blocked by some group swearing that drilling in ANWR will be the end of the world. What a crock.

Even within the context of Alaska (let alone the whole world) the impact on our wilderness will be virtually nil. Not even the equivilant of a pimple on an elephant's butt. Every environmental argument against drilling in ANWR has been worked through and shown to be false. The pipeline was supposed to be the demise of the carribou... The herd size tripled. We can look at Prudhoe as a prime example of how little an impact a field of that size really has on the overall picture of the environment.

If anything the infantile intellects are on the left here. Whining and spouting meaningless/false environmental talking points because they couldn't have their way. Once again, facts mean nothing to them. It's all about how they feel. And they would feel so much better if we just left the so-called "pristine wilderness" (which it ain't) alone.

People > Frozen Tundra in the middle of nowhere.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Another pristine piece of land being trashed. We humans are a disgrace. From chopping down forests to drilling in pure territory, we are destroying mother earth. I could care less about a few months of oil. Mother nature to me is the most important thing.

They say that your health is the reason you are able to do your job and make money, well earth is the reason we are able to do anything. If we don't stop destroying it each single day, there will be huge consequences.

One giant :roll: here....

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
You guys and your six months... get real. If that were the case Prudhoe would have dried up decades ago. It's the single dumbest reason ever given for not drilling there. Get over it. ANWR will be pumping for DECADES!!! What's more it will give this state a huge boost. Jobs, lease royalties, oil royalties... Life is good.

You Alaskans getting cut a check every year from the gummint for doing nothing, isn't that paternalistic welfare, nothing but state socialism?

Doesn't that make you a dole slurping welfare pig?

Actually it's capitalism at its finest.

The PFD itself is actually the largest investment fund in the world. The people who manage it are appointed by the governor. At its inception it was primarily funded with oil revenues. Now it is mostly stocks, bonds and real estate holdings. The profits from that fund are totaled up every year. Some of it is reinvested back into the fund, most of it funds the government (no state income tax!!! )and the rest is given back to the citizens. Unlike most state governments that think it's necessary to spend every dime they take in, even in surplus years, our state decided to invest its surplus money when things were fat back in the 70's.

See up here we still believe in the concept of a government of the PEOPLE by the PEOPLE and for the PEOPLE. That means the government is just an adminitrative arm of the general public. As citizens we are part of the government. When the government makes money, we the people, as part of that government are entitled to a share of that money.

If it was money that was handed out from the government paid from tax collections on the citizenry THEN we'd be welfare pigs. As it turns out we're just good with our money.

 

[ShadesOfGrey]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
You guys and your six months... get real. If that were the case Prudhoe would have dried up decades ago. It's the single dumbest reason ever given for not drilling there. Get over it. ANWR will be pumping for DECADES!!! What's more it will give this state a huge boost. Jobs, lease royalties, oil royalties... Life is good.

You Alaskans getting cut a check every year from the gummint for doing nothing, isn't that paternalistic welfare, nothing but state socialism?

Doesn't that make you a dole slurping welfare pig?

Actually it's capitalism at its finest.

The PFD itself is actually the largest investment fund in the world. The people who manage it are appointed by the governor. At its inception it was primarily funded with oil revenues. Now it is mostly stocks, bonds and real estate holdings. The profits from that fund are totaled up every year. Some of it is reinvested back into the fund, most of it funds the government (no state income tax!!! )and the rest is given back to the citizens. Unlike most state governments that think it's necessary to spend every dime they take in, even in surplus years, our state decided to invest its surplus money when things were fat back in the 70's.

See up here we still believe in the concept of a government of the PEOPLE by the PEOPLE and for the PEOPLE. That means the government is just an adminitrative arm of the general public. As citizens we are part of the government. When the government makes money, we the people, as part of that government are entitled to a share of that money.

If it was money that was handed out from the government paid from tax collections on the citizenry THEN we'd be welfare pigs. As it turns out we're just good with our money.

Just a question. If you have all this revenue, why can't you pay for your own bridge to no where?

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
You guys and your six months... get real. If that were the case Prudhoe would have dried up decades ago. It's the single dumbest reason ever given for not drilling there. Get over it. ANWR will be pumping for DECADES!!! What's more it will give this state a huge boost. Jobs, lease royalties, oil royalties... Life is good.

You Alaskans getting cut a check every year from the gummint for doing nothing, isn't that paternalistic welfare, nothing but state socialism?

Doesn't that make you a dole slurping welfare pig?

Actually it's capitalism at its finest.

The PFD itself is actually the largest investment fund in the world. The people who manage it are appointed by the governor. At its inception it was primarily funded with oil revenues. Now it is mostly stocks, bonds and real estate holdings. The profits from that fund are totaled up every year. Some of it is reinvested back into the fund, most of it funds the government (no state income tax!!! )and the rest is given back to the citizens. Unlike most state governments that think it's necessary to spend every dime they take in, even in surplus years, our state decided to invest its surplus money when things were fat back in the 70's.

See up here we still believe in the concept of a government of the PEOPLE by the PEOPLE and for the PEOPLE. That means the government is just an adminitrative arm of the general public. As citizens we are part of the government. When the government makes money, we the people, as part of that government are entitled to a share of that money.

If it was money that was handed out from the government paid from tax collections on the citizenry THEN we'd be welfare pigs. As it turns out we're just good with our money.

Just a question. If you have all this revenue, why can't you pay for your own bridge to no where?

Yeah, I love hearing from the same person how Alaska is overflowing with money, yet at the same time, it needs the most federal funds per person in the United States.

 

[charrison]

Looks at the people complaining about anwr and compares that to the list of people complaining about high gas prices.


It appears they are the same people. So to these people ask, what is our solution to power cars over the next 20 years if anwr is just a bandaid?

 

[kyparrish]

Okay I never post in P&N, but here goes...

This sounds like great news. Oil to supplement our existing sources in the future can't be a bad thing. However, I hope people who make a lot more money than I do are taking steps to transition us into the future of energy (hydrogen/nuclear/renewable sources, etc.)

kyparrish out.

 

[Moonbeam]

Look how we grow and spread said the cancer cells one to another. Unto us has been given lordship and dominion.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
You guys and your six months... get real. If that were the case Prudhoe would have dried up decades ago. It's the single dumbest reason ever given for not drilling there. Get over it. ANWR will be pumping for DECADES!!! What's more it will give this state a huge boost. Jobs, lease royalties, oil royalties... Life is good.

You Alaskans getting cut a check every year from the gummint for doing nothing, isn't that paternalistic welfare, nothing but state socialism?

Doesn't that make you a dole slurping welfare pig?

Actually it's capitalism at its finest.

The PFD itself is actually the largest investment fund in the world. The people who manage it are appointed by the governor. At its inception it was primarily funded with oil revenues. Now it is mostly stocks, bonds and real estate holdings. The profits from that fund are totaled up every year. Some of it is reinvested back into the fund, most of it funds the government (no state income tax!!! )and the rest is given back to the citizens. Unlike most state governments that think it's necessary to spend every dime they take in, even in surplus years, our state decided to invest its surplus money when things were fat back in the 70's.

See up here we still believe in the concept of a government of the PEOPLE by the PEOPLE and for the PEOPLE. That means the government is just an adminitrative arm of the general public. As citizens we are part of the government. When the government makes money, we the people, as part of that government are entitled to a share of that money.

If it was money that was handed out from the government paid from tax collections on the citizenry THEN we'd be welfare pigs. As it turns out we're just good with our money.

Just a question. If you have all this revenue, why can't you pay for your own bridge to no where?

I'm not sure I've ever agreed with you before

I don't see what's capitalist about a publicly owned and managed company that pays out profits to citizens by virtue of residence.

That's not even social democracy type stuff, it's communism.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: ntdz
Thank god they finally opened it up, it should've been done years ago.

:thumbsup:

what should have been done years ago was focusing on getting us off the damn crap in the first place, and massive petro-material recycling (ie plastics, and such). they've made so many fuel efficient vehicles over the years that seem to have evaporated before they could be manufactured. nuke energy, solar, wind, fuel cells, even biodiesel (although it's just as polluting as oil) are all things that should have gotten funding decades ago. we knew damn well these leaner days were coming...

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
You guys and your six months... get real. If that were the case Prudhoe would have dried up decades ago. It's the single dumbest reason ever given for not drilling there. Get over it. ANWR will be pumping for DECADES!!! What's more it will give this state a huge boost. Jobs, lease royalties, oil royalties... Life is good.

You Alaskans getting cut a check every year from the gummint for doing nothing, isn't that paternalistic welfare, nothing but state socialism?

Doesn't that make you a dole slurping welfare pig?

Actually it's capitalism at its finest.

The PFD itself is actually the largest investment fund in the world. The people who manage it are appointed by the governor. At its inception it was primarily funded with oil revenues. Now it is mostly stocks, bonds and real estate holdings. The profits from that fund are totaled up every year. Some of it is reinvested back into the fund, most of it funds the government (no state income tax!!! )and the rest is given back to the citizens. Unlike most state governments that think it's necessary to spend every dime they take in, even in surplus years, our state decided to invest its surplus money when things were fat back in the 70's.

See up here we still believe in the concept of a government of the PEOPLE by the PEOPLE and for the PEOPLE. That means the government is just an adminitrative arm of the general public. As citizens we are part of the government. When the government makes money, we the people, as part of that government are entitled to a share of that money.

If it was money that was handed out from the government paid from tax collections on the citizenry THEN we'd be welfare pigs. As it turns out we're just good with our money.

Just a question. If you have all this revenue, why can't you pay for your own bridge to no where?

It's not a bridge to nowhere.

I went over this in another thread. In a nutshell the US has essentially extorted tens of billions of dollars in resource revenues from Alaska. Our statehood compact clearly says that revenues from resource development should be split 90/10 (90 to Ak). From day one the US has forced us to accept a 50/50 split... pretty much telling us that 50% of something is better than 90% of nothing.

If you add up all the federal money for special projects Stevens has brought back to Alaska over the years it doesn't even begin to add up to the total that we are rightfully owed. We will be shorted $2 billion just in the initial lease offerings for ANWR. That's about 4 times the cost of our two bridges. And that's just ANWR. That doesn't count Kuparuk or Prudhoe or any other source of revenue we don't get our fair share on. It may look like pork but the US actually comes out ahead in the deal. Way ahead.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: ntdz
Thank god they finally opened it up, it should've been done years ago.

:thumbsup:

Yup, to hell with national parks so long as you can drive your SUV.

Right. Let's clear-cut Yosemite, Grand Teton, and Yellowstone National Parks. We could lower our reliance on foreign toothpicks. And with all those damn trees gone, we could open up some hellacious trailer parks.

 

[dannybin1742]

its amazing to see so many people on this thread are that are just retarded when it comes to understanding the enviroment and eco systems, guess thats what our stellar science classes in public schools are brewing, ignorance



i'm guessing that all these people who support this have no background in biological sciences what so ever, in fact i'm guessing that most people like the orginal poster and ntdz have degrees in business or finance, but definately not science

just another example of "who cares about anything else, i'm getting what i want, i'm right, win at all costs"

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: ntdz
Thank god they finally opened it up, it should've been done years ago.

:thumbsup:

Yup, to hell with national parks so long as you can drive your SUV.

Drilling only affects 19,000 acres out of several million.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: ntdz
Thank god they finally opened it up, it should've been done years ago.

:thumbsup:

what should have been done years ago was focusing on getting us off the damn crap in the first place, and massive petro-material recycling (ie plastics, and such). they've made so many fuel efficient vehicles over the years that seem to have evaporated before they could be manufactured. nuke energy, solar, wind, fuel cells, even biodiesel (although it's just as polluting as oil) are all things that should have gotten funding decades ago. we knew damn well these leaner days were coming...

I agree with you, they should have been doing both.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: ntdz
Thank god they finally opened it up, it should've been done years ago.

:thumbsup:

Yup, to hell with national parks so long as you can drive your SUV.

Right. Let's clear-cut Yosemite, Grand Teton, and Yellowstone National Parks. We could lower our reliance on foreign toothpicks. And with all those damn trees gone, we could open up some hellacious trailer parks.

You must be joking. Those places have been reserved for the rich. They are perfect for golf.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: ntdz
Thank god they finally opened it up, it should've been done years ago.

:thumbsup:

what should have been done years ago was focusing on getting us off the damn crap in the first place, and massive petro-material recycling (ie plastics, and such). they've made so many fuel efficient vehicles over the years that seem to have evaporated before they could be manufactured. nuke energy, solar, wind, fuel cells, even biodiesel (although it's just as polluting as oil) are all things that should have gotten funding decades ago. we knew damn well these leaner days were coming...

And the market is adapting. Forbes had an article a couple weeks ago on effective plastics recycling. THe problem in the past with plastics recycling is that it has been too costly to sort the plastic waste stream. It appears this problem has been solved.

More fuel effecient cars are on the way, as well as consumer desire for more effecient cars

With that being said, we are not running out of oil anytime in the near future.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: ntdz
Thank god they finally opened it up, it should've been done years ago.

:thumbsup:

what should have been done years ago was focusing on getting us off the damn crap in the first place, and massive petro-material recycling (ie plastics, and such). they've made so many fuel efficient vehicles over the years that seem to have evaporated before they could be manufactured. nuke energy, solar, wind, fuel cells, even biodiesel (although it's just as polluting as oil) are all things that should have gotten funding decades ago. we knew damn well these leaner days were coming...

And the market is adapting. Forbes had an article a couple weeks ago on effective plastics recycling. THe problem in the past with plastics recycling is that it has been too costly to sort the plastic waste stream. It appears this problem has been solved.

More fuel effecient cars are on the way, as well as consumer desire for more effecient cars

With that being said, we are not running out of oil anytime in the near future.

I didn't mean to infer any D&G just that we have all our eggs in a single basket, and I'd like to have more choices on powering my house, car, etc. I realize the alternatives are out there, and plan onbuilding a "green" house on a track of land in new mexico I recently procured. (prolly half dug out native adobe) I still have a few years in which to decide to use solar, or wind, or whatever. Heh, I just showed how big of a hippy I am at heart...

 

[UNCjigga]

SWEET!!! as in light sweet crude!

Drilling for oil is supposed to be a lot more environmentally friendly than logging, strip-mining, or even crop-farming--activities that will still be prohibited in the ANWR. I was never a big fan of the plan, but hey we need more American oil.

 

[whistleclient]

Originally posted by: charrison

With that being said, we are not running out of oil anytime in the near future.

estimates put it at the next 10 to 40 years. i'm not sure about your definition of "near future" but in my lifetime and definitely in my children's lifetime is near future to me.

The problem is that people don't understand the concept of peak oil. it's not when we're at zero that it's a problem. it's as soon as we can't drill the same amount as last year, and it goes down each year after that. that's when countries start fighting for oil. China vs. USA? it's possible. we'll be the biggest oil consumers at that point.

most people: "eh, i'll drive less". driving less is the least of our problems. how about no power because we don't have enough nuclear plants? how about no food because the food is an average of 1500 miles from the suburbs?

this is why we need to find alternate energy sources NOW.

 

[Jhhnn]

My argument, whoozyerdaddy, isn't about the environment, at all, but about resource management, and about looking past the ends of our collective noses.

The sooner we extract all of our own resources and use them up, the sooner we'll be completely dependent on foreign sources.

Yet much of the argument in favor of drilling in ANWR is to "reduce dependency on foreign oil"... an oxymoron, as is much of current repub sponsored policy.

Your reference to the Alaska State Compact is also erroneous, as a relatively quick google reveals-

" (b) Section 35 of the Act entitled "An Act to promote the mining of coal, phosphate, oil, oil shale, gas, and sodium on the public domain", approved February 25, 1920, as amended (30 U.S.C. 191), is hereby amended by inserting immediately before the colon preceding the first proviso thereof the following: ", and of those from Alaska 52 1/2 per centum thereof shall be paid to the State of Alaska for disposition by the legislature thereof".

http://www.lbblawyers.com/state28.htm

Your legalistic misinformation goes up in a puff of smoke...

In terms of cashflow, Alaska has always been and remains a negative net flow for the residents of the lower 48. Which we've supported, and continue to support in an effort to develop the state for the benefit of all Americans.