SWEET!!!

[Strk]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: zendari
If there was financial incentive into doing so they would have, but as long as people like John Kerry own SUVs and gas guzzlers they don't have to.

1 year of oil is better than 0 years of oil. If we leave it in the ground we'll still be dependent on foreign resources.

ANWR doesn't decrease our dependence on foreign oil, it lets it not get quite as high as it will; but the amount of foreign oil needed will still increase no matter what.

Better a smaller increase than a bigger one.

Better a move to alternative sources of energy than using the same old junk over the next two decades.

 

[conjur]

Senate Republicans set to invoke "nuclear option" over the ANWR amendment to the defense appropriation bill.
http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/122005/news1.html


They want their oil badly, eh?

Enough so the that even the House Republican leadership is moving to invoke "martial law"
http://www.cbpp.org/12-18-05bud.htm

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Those G-damn Alaskans are relentless eh?

 

[morrisbj]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
You guys and your six months... get real. If that were the case Prudhoe would have dried up decades ago. It's the single dumbest reason ever given for not drilling there. Get over it. ANWR will be pumping for DECADES!!! What's more it will give this state a huge boost. Jobs, lease royalties, oil royalties... Life is good.

It will be pumping that tiny little reserve of oil for years, but it will make NO impact on fuel prices, and will only delay the inevitable by at most 2-3 years. The only point behind this was the Republicans being able to posture and try to blame the gas prices on Democrats for a while. When the fuel prices never drop, we'll know who is really right in this country.

 

[Powermoloch]

good bye wonderful nature and good ol' alaska.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Powermoloch
good bye wonderful nature and good ol' alaska.

Yeah, all 200 acres that will be affected...what a DISASTER.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Powermoloch
good bye wonderful nature and good ol' alaska.

I laugh at your ignorance.

HA

HA

HA

HA

You have no idea how big ANWR is... How little of that area is wanted for drilling... and how miniscule that area is compared to the overall land mass of Alaska.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: morrisbj

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
You guys and your six months... get real. If that were the case Prudhoe would have dried up decades ago. It's the single dumbest reason ever given for not drilling there. Get over it. ANWR will be pumping for DECADES!!! What's more it will give this state a huge boost. Jobs, lease royalties, oil royalties... Life is good.

It will be pumping that tiny little reserve of oil for years, but it will make NO impact on fuel prices, and will only delay the inevitable by at most 2-3 years. The only point behind this was the Republicans being able to posture and try to blame the gas prices on Democrats for a while. When the fuel prices never drop, we'll know who is really right in this country.

So reducing our ME oil imports by HALF is no big deal eh? Ok...

 

[conjur]

ANWR is going to reduce ME oil imports by HALF??


AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Sickening, sad and sickening. I wonder if these fvckwits would do it if it were at Yosemite or Yellowstone. I hate these short sighted simpleminded morons who place their crony's and the almighty dollar above the environment. I hope they get stuck in a tar pit.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

So reducing our ME oil imports by HALF is no big deal eh? Ok...

You're living in a fantasy world if you believe that. Honestly, the BS some people will fall for is just amazing to me sometimes.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: morrisbj

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
You guys and your six months... get real. If that were the case Prudhoe would have dried up decades ago. It's the single dumbest reason ever given for not drilling there. Get over it. ANWR will be pumping for DECADES!!! What's more it will give this state a huge boost. Jobs, lease royalties, oil royalties... Life is good.

It will be pumping that tiny little reserve of oil for years, but it will make NO impact on fuel prices, and will only delay the inevitable by at most 2-3 years. The only point behind this was the Republicans being able to posture and try to blame the gas prices on Democrats for a while. When the fuel prices never drop, we'll know who is really right in this country.

So reducing our ME oil imports by HALF is no big deal eh? Ok...

Maybe.. MAYBE 5% over the next 10 years. Great. Plus, the oil's gonna be sold overseas. Wow! Mission Accomplished!

 

[jlmadyson]

Edit: was relating to different bill

 

[IGBT]

..good. Now we need some drilling rigs off the coast of Calif. It's about time.

 

[Strk]

Well, I've said it somewhere in this thread, but being lazy, I'll just repeat it.

Yes, this does have the chance of reducing our dependence on ME oil by half, but there's mild issue with that. We don't get much oil from them anyways. Most of our oil comes from the Americas, with more than half coming from North America (Canada is our largest foreign supplier). We receive less than 10% of our oil from Saudi Arabia and, prior to the invasion of Iraq, we received around 2% of our oil from them. Most of the ME oil goes to countries closer to the ME, not us.

Statements like "it will reduce our dependence on ME oil in half," while true, are just political slogans that, if researched, are meaningless. Additionally, our dependence goes up regardless of ANWR, it just doesn't go up quite as much with it (64% vs 68%).

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Wow... Got the tree-hugging left out in force today. Too bad there aren't any trees on the coastal plane.

But seriously. Yes... We import about 2 million barrels of oil per day from the ME. ANWR will supply about 1 million barrels per day. The sooner we get going, the sooner we see that production. That's one down...

Attached to every ANWR rider thus far is a provision that every drop of ANWR oil be shipped to west coast refineries. None of it is allowed to be shipped to Asia. That's two down...

And to you Yosemite/Yellowstone guys... What a ridiculous comparison. ANWR is hardly a national treasure visited by millions of families every year. The tourism industry in ANWR consists of a dozen or so biologists and a few senators every year. That's about it. This would be more along the lines of drilling in Death Valley. (Only colder) So don't fret! We still have hundreds of millions of unmolested acres up here. We only want to drill where the oil is. We promise to leave the rest of the state alone.

 

[conjur]

:roll:


ANWR will do for our dependence upon foreign oil what NAFTA/CAFTA have done for job growth in the US.

Money would be better off spent developing alternative forms of energy, esp. nuclear power.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Our children's children's children will utter our names as a curse, we the greatest pigs who ever lived.

QFT
Pointless plan to reach insignificant resource of oil. There was a USGS estimate on how much oil is there and over the next 10-20 years it would only be 3-4% of our annual consumption at best case. Way to toss that wild life refuge over supply of oil so small, it won't even reflect at the gas pumps.

 

[Genx87]

This is good news for us in the longer term. Now what about the oil in the rockies?

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Wow... Got the tree-hugging left out in force today. Too bad there aren't any trees on the coastal plane.

But seriously. Yes... We import about 2 million barrels of oil per day from the ME. ANWR will supply about 1 million barrels per day. The sooner we get going, the sooner we see that production. That's one down...

Attached to every ANWR rider thus far is a provision that every drop of ANWR oil be shipped to west coast refineries. None of it is allowed to be shipped to Asia. That's two down...

And to you Yosemite/Yellowstone guys... What a ridiculous comparison. ANWR is hardly a national treasure visited by millions of families every year. The tourism industry in ANWR consists of a dozen or so biologists and a few senators every year. That's about it. This would be more along the lines of drilling in Death Valley. (Only colder) So don't fret! We still have hundreds of millions of unmolested acres up here. We only want to drill where the oil is. We promise to leave the rest of the state alone.

Where are you pulling those stats from? Every single thing I've read (uncluding the ful USGS report) did it say that drilling there would produce a significant amount of oil...

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: conjur
:roll:


ANWR will do for our dependence upon foreign oil what NAFTA/CAFTA have done for job growth in the US.

Money would be better off spent developing alternative forms of energy, esp. nuclear power.

First... ANWR has nothing to do with NAFTA/CAFTA. There isn't a comparison to be made.

Second... Spend money or make money? Why invest in Nuclear energy when there is no way in hell, given our present legal system, that a nuke plant will ever make it past the lawsuits? Wishful thinking doesn't keep the lights on.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Genx87
This is good news for us in the longer term. Now what about the oil in the rockies?

ANWR is so mild compared to those reserves.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Wow... Got the tree-hugging left out in force today. Too bad there aren't any trees on the coastal plane.

But seriously. Yes... We import about 2 million barrels of oil per day from the ME. ANWR will supply about 1 million barrels per day. The sooner we get going, the sooner we see that production. That's one down...

Attached to every ANWR rider thus far is a provision that every drop of ANWR oil be shipped to west coast refineries. None of it is allowed to be shipped to Asia. That's two down...

And to you Yosemite/Yellowstone guys... What a ridiculous comparison. ANWR is hardly a national treasure visited by millions of families every year. The tourism industry in ANWR consists of a dozen or so biologists and a few senators every year. That's about it. This would be more along the lines of drilling in Death Valley. (Only colder) So don't fret! We still have hundreds of millions of unmolested acres up here. We only want to drill where the oil is. We promise to leave the rest of the state alone.

Where are you pulling those stats from? Every single thing I've read (uncluding the ful USGS report) did it say that drilling there would produce a significant amount of oil...

That would be common knowledge sir. The median amount of oil believed to be in ANWR (meaning that is as likely to be less as is it to be more) is about 10.6 billion barrels of economically recoverable oil - based on $30/barrel pricing. Overall estimates range from a little over 3 billion barrels on the low side to over 16 billion barrels on the high side.

There is a lot of oil there. Enough to pump out ~1 million barrels a day for 20-30 years.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Wow... Got the tree-hugging left out in force today. Too bad there aren't any trees on the coastal plane.

But seriously. Yes... We import about 2 million barrels of oil per day from the ME. ANWR will supply about 1 million barrels per day. The sooner we get going, the sooner we see that production. That's one down...

Attached to every ANWR rider thus far is a provision that every drop of ANWR oil be shipped to west coast refineries. None of it is allowed to be shipped to Asia. That's two down...

And to you Yosemite/Yellowstone guys... What a ridiculous comparison. ANWR is hardly a national treasure visited by millions of families every year. The tourism industry in ANWR consists of a dozen or so biologists and a few senators every year. That's about it. This would be more along the lines of drilling in Death Valley. (Only colder) So don't fret! We still have hundreds of millions of unmolested acres up here. We only want to drill where the oil is. We promise to leave the rest of the state alone.

Every ecosystem is a treasure, whether it's nationally recognized or not. I don't give a bloated neo-con's ass if it's a tourist attraction. Noone has a clue the amount of damage this will do to the fragile ecosystem. And yes, I would much rather be a tree hugger (how this ever got to be an insult is beyond me) than someone who is so freakishly short sighted they can't see beyond the gas pump.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Wow... Got the tree-hugging left out in force today. Too bad there aren't any trees on the coastal plane.

But seriously. Yes... We import about 2 million barrels of oil per day from the ME. ANWR will supply about 1 million barrels per day. The sooner we get going, the sooner we see that production. That's one down...

Attached to every ANWR rider thus far is a provision that every drop of ANWR oil be shipped to west coast refineries. None of it is allowed to be shipped to Asia. That's two down...

And to you Yosemite/Yellowstone guys... What a ridiculous comparison. ANWR is hardly a national treasure visited by millions of families every year. The tourism industry in ANWR consists of a dozen or so biologists and a few senators every year. That's about it. This would be more along the lines of drilling in Death Valley. (Only colder) So don't fret! We still have hundreds of millions of unmolested acres up here. We only want to drill where the oil is. We promise to leave the rest of the state alone.

Where are you pulling those stats from? Every single thing I've read (uncluding the ful USGS report) did it say that drilling there would produce a significant amount of oil...

That would be common knowledge sir. The median amount of oil believed to be in ANWR (meaning that is as likely to be less as is it to be more) is about 10.6 billion barrels of economically recoverable oil - based on $30/barrel pricing. Overall estimates range from a little over 3 billion barrels on the low side to over 16 billion barrels on the high side.

There is a lot of oil there. Enough to pump out ~1 million barrels a day for 20-30 years.

95% chance of there being roughly 4.25 billion barrels of recoverable oil in ANWR.

5% chance of your estimate.