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ControlD

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I will try 1password today. Thank you!

Let us know how it works. My understanding with all of these password managers (I use KeePass) is that you need to use a password to open the app if it has been closed. Once the app is open, you can use TouchID rather than your password. If this has changed it would be a good thing.
 

Aikouka

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Let us know how it works. My understanding with all of these password managers (I use KeePass) is that you need to use a password to open the app if it has been closed. Once the app is open, you can use TouchID rather than your password. If this has changed it would be a good thing.

The way 1Password works is that you have to enter your password after (a) your phone has been rebooted, or (b) you haven't used TouchID to enter 1Password within a month. In other words, point A is the only one that will affect most people. There was a bug when 1Password's TouchID implementation first came out that had it request the password way too much, but that was fixed awhile ago. To note, 1Password is free on iOS now, but you still have to pay for the Windows/Mac application. I think I was able to find a 25% discount code when I bought it.

To note, I used to use KeePass before I bought 1Password. Also, if you do upgrade, do not get rid of KeePass. I did have a few instances of logins from KeePass that did not import correctly into 1Password. Once I found and fixed any of the logins, they were fine, but I would've been stuck without having KeePass lingering.
 

krumme

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ControlD

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The way 1Password works is that you have to enter your password after (a) your phone has been rebooted, or (b) you haven't used TouchID to enter 1Password within a month. In other words, point A is the only one that will affect most people. There was a bug when 1Password's TouchID implementation first came out that had it request the password way too much, but that was fixed awhile ago. To note, 1Password is free on iOS now, but you still have to pay for the Windows/Mac application. I think I was able to find a 25% discount code when I bought it.

To note, I used to use KeePass before I bought 1Password. Also, if you do upgrade, do not get rid of KeePass. I did have a few instances of logins from KeePass that did not import correctly into 1Password. Once I found and fixed any of the logins, they were fine, but I would've been stuck without having KeePass lingering.

Thanks for the info!
 

Phynaz

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The way 1Password works is that you have to enter your password after (a) your phone has been rebooted, or (b) you haven't used TouchID to enter 1Password within a month. In other words, point A is the only one that will affect most people. There was a bug when 1Password's TouchID implementation first came out that had it request the password way too much, but that was fixed awhile ago. To note, 1Password is free on iOS now, but you still have to pay for the Windows/Mac application. I think I was able to find a 25% discount code when I bought it.

To note, I used to use KeePass before I bought 1Password. Also, if you do upgrade, do not get rid of KeePass. I did have a few instances of logins from KeePass that did not import correctly into 1Password. Once I found and fixed any of the logins, they were fine, but I would've been stuck without having KeePass lingering.

Thank you for this.
 

leilah

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hhhmmm...sure android does have lots of bugs and sometimes y'all get crazy trying to tinker this stuff but I'm sticking with it.. not a fan of Apple but they sure have something nice to offer in one way or the other
 

mikeymikec

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whereas IOS is a realtime OS

Citation needed; an OS regarded as realtime capable is one that has to be able to guarantee response times in real time. It's not a trait typically required of an OS as most users' needs are "as quick as the platform can manage it", and guaranteeing a data stream's delivery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_real-time_operating_systems

Notice the lack of big-name operating systems on that list, including iOS.

which never stutters.
Which a) isn't true (and you would have to be a fool to try and argue the contrary) and b) is nothing to do with a realtime-capable OS.

Fingerprints are more secure than PIN codes and passwords when used by themselves, and done well (that is, making it impossible to access the information remotely); they're tied to you, and they're not easily faked. That's why Apple Pay uses only fingerprints for authentication.

When used alongside PINs and passwords, they're different -- they're for convenience. They don't add security, but they encourage everyday users to lock their phone where they might otherwise throw caution to the wind.

Huh. Everything I've read about fingerprint sensors points at them being trivial to exploit/subvert (and I don't mean for anyone with access and inclination to use a sharp knife!). I can't say I've read up on that particular topic in say the last couple of years, but on the flipside I haven't heard of any innovations on the topic that make sensors more difficult to fool.
 
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Commodus

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Huh. Everything I've read about fingerprint sensors points at them being trivial to exploit/subvert (and I don't mean for anyone with access and inclination to use a sharp knife!). I can't say I've read up on that particular topic in say the last couple of years, but on the flipside I haven't heard of any innovations on the topic that make sensors more difficult to fool.

It really depends on the implementation. Apple's approach is generally considered secure, since it's not storing the fingerprints themselves and locks away what information it does keep in a secure hardware element; the information doesn't go online, either. The big fuss over insecurity as of late came from revelations that most Android fingerprint readers have a flaw that lets attackers steal the prints.

You can technically use fake fingerprints to trick these readers, but that usually involves lifting prints from the phone and using them to create a gel mould. If you're in the position where this is a genuine threat, you're probably a spy... and the initial fingerprint check isn't going to be your only line of defence.
 

mnewsham

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You can technically use fake fingerprints to trick these readers, but that usually involves lifting prints from the phone and using them to create a gel mould. If you're in the position where this is a genuine threat, you're probably a spy... and the initial fingerprint check isn't going to be your only line of defence.

Yup it's certainly technically possible for someone to fake your fingerprint to get through the scanner, but for someone to actually accomplish this, they would have to have enough resources that they are some sort of government or other operator. Fingerprints aren't meant to keep EVERYONE out, just how a lock on your door isn't meant to be IMPOSSIBLE to break through, just good enough to deter most people. And the ones who really want to break in are going to do so anyway.
 

dawheat

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Citation needed; an OS regarded as realtime capable is one that has to be able to guarantee response times in real time. It's not a trait typically required of an OS as most users' needs are "as quick as the platform can manage it", and guaranteeing a data stream's delivery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_real-time_operating_systems

Notice the lack of big-name operating systems on that list, including iOS.

Which a) isn't true (and you would have to be a fool to try and argue the contrary) and b) is nothing to do with a realtime-capable OS.



Huh. Everything I've read about fingerprint sensors points at them being trivial to exploit/subvert (and I don't mean for anyone with access and inclination to use a sharp knife!). I can't say I've read up on that particular topic in say the last couple of years, but on the flipside I haven't heard of any innovations on the topic that make sensors more difficult to fool.

Trivial is the wrong word - what's important in areas like payment isn't that a single device can't be exploited, but that there can't be mass exploitation.

Any exploit that requires physical access to a device and a person by person mold isn't going to scale at all.

I will give that in many cases, a password is less exploitable than a fingerprint in a single device scenario. To someone committed enough with physical proximity to the device, biometrics on all devices can be defeated without too much effort.
 

Midwayman

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It's not as if the iPhone 6 won every single browser benchmark. It's usually just the newest phone at the time that wins the benchmark, as you'd expect.

Sure, but the exynos has it beat on multicore. If their theory on multicore being better in web browsing specifically holds up the 6s should lose. The iphones typically do very well though, which is why i'm skeptical.
 

mnewsham

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Sure, but the exynos has it beat on multicore. If their theory on multicore being better in web browsing specifically holds up the 6s should lose. The iphones typically do very well though, which is why i'm skeptical.

Web browsing is one of the few things that CAN use all 8 cores, so it will be interesting.
 

elitejp

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I know its interesting to see whos the fastest and watch progress, but apple, samsung lg and even many chinese brands are already quite quick. So an extra .001 of a second isnt a big deal to me.
 

Mopetar

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Sure, but the exynos has it beat on multicore. If their theory on multicore being better in web browsing specifically holds up the 6s should lose. The iphones typically do very well though, which is why i'm skeptical.

I think the only reason Android uses 8 cores for web browsing is because web sites are so inundated with various trackers and other java script being served up, that multiple threads can be created to handle them in parallel to cut down on the load time.

However, with Apple releasing content blocker functionality, that particular use case becomes a lot less relevant. I'd be willing to be that if you blocked all of that stuff on Android, the core utilization would drop significantly for web-browsing.

In that type of scenario, having two powerful cores is going to outperform more, less powerful cores. Also, given Apple's more restrictive approach to multi-tasking, there's even less of a need for additional cores, where as Android is better equip to take advantage of them.

There are already some reports showing how much the content blockers speed up load times, but I'd bet that the flip side of this is significantly reducing the thread count to quickly load the page.
 
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I think the only reason Android uses 8 cores for web browsing is because web sites are so inundated with various trackers and other java script being served up, that multiple threads can be created to handle them in parallel to cut down on the load time.

However, with Apple releasing content blocker functionality, that particular use case becomes a lot less relevant. I'd be willing to be that if you blocked all of that stuff on Android, the core utilization would drop significantly for web-browsing.

In that type of scenario, having two powerful cores is going to outperform more, less powerful cores. Also, given Apple's more restrictive approach to multi-tasking, there's even less of a need for additional cores, where as Android is better equip to take advantage of them.

There are already some reports showing how much the content blockers speed up load times, but I'd bet that the flip side of this is significantly reducing the thread count to quickly load the page.

True, as we see the same thing happen on the desktop side of things when a browser is equipped with extensions like AdBlock and Disconnect.
 

Shawn

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I wish more people would try Windows Phone. Better than iOS and Android. The app selection would be better if more people got on the platform. Hopefully Windows 10 universal apps fixes this problem.
 

Commodus

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I wish more people would try Windows Phone. Better than iOS and Android. The app selection would be better if more people got on the platform. Hopefully Windows 10 universal apps fixes this problem.

But it's not. It's just not.

There are nice touches in Windows phones, like Cortana and live tiles... but even if you think they're better, they're not so significantly better that they would get you to leave an iPhone or Android phone. There are a number of features you're giving up, too, like Handoff (Apple's ability to pick up an app where you left off as you switch platforms) or Google Now.

And simply speaking, the hardware and software selection is just too far behind for any software advantages to matter. Microsoft effectively abandoned flagship devices after it launched the Lumia Icon/930, and it's only coming back nearly two years later with the Lumia 950/950 XL. And like it or not, there's a vicious circle with apps. People don't write Windows phone apps because there aren't many phones, so they don't write many apps, so... Microsoft can't just tread water with good-enough devices and updates, it has to do something so fundamentally different that the momentum heads in the opposite direction.
 

deathBOB

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I wish more people would try Windows Phone. Better than iOS and Android. The app selection would be better if more people got on the platform. Hopefully Windows 10 universal apps fixes this problem.

Having tried a 640 earlier this summer, no. Maybe it was three years ago, but it certainly isn't equal today.
 

sweenish

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But it's not. It's just not.

There are nice touches in Windows phones, like Cortana and live tiles... but even if you think they're better, they're not so significantly better that they would get you to leave an iPhone or Android phone. There are a number of features you're giving up, too, like Handoff (Apple's ability to pick up an app where you left off as you switch platforms) or Google Now.

And simply speaking, the hardware and software selection is just too far behind for any software advantages to matter. Microsoft effectively abandoned flagship devices after it launched the Lumia Icon/930, and it's only coming back nearly two years later with the Lumia 950/950 XL. And like it or not, there's a vicious circle with apps. People don't write Windows phone apps because there aren't many phones, so they don't write many apps, so... Microsoft can't just tread water with good-enough devices and updates, it has to do something so fundamentally different that the momentum heads in the opposite direction.

Like allow devs to simply flip a switch in Visual Studio and allow their iOS or Android code to compile natively for Windows Phone?
 
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