Symantec product activation

tcsenter

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I'm working on someone's PC. The owner has ESD version (i.e. downloaded from Symantec) of Norton 360 with 250+ days left on their subscription. I replaced the mobo and upgraded the hard drive, cloning the old drive to the new using Ghost. Not only did I have to re-activate Windows XP MCE (as expected), but Norton began complaining about needing to re-activate. So I did, activating both Windows XP and Norton 360.

I ran chkdsk with media scan on the new WDC HDD as I always do, and it reported a number of bad sectors. So I ran the Western Digital diagnostics utility, which advised to RMA the drive (brand new).

I installed another HDD (same make and model), using Ghost to clone the drive. Windows didn't mind at all, no need for reactivation (since I had already done that). But Norton de-activates itself again just because the HDD has changed. I tried to activate again but nope, its exceeded the total number of allowable "product installations".

There is a highly obscure way for me to contact Norton to dispute or correct this, and here is the process:

"Print the completed form and send it, along with a copy of your proof of purchase, the name and contact information for the vendor, your product CD and the envelope the CD came in, to the appropriate address listed at the bottom of the form. Please note that in order to process your query; Symantec will need all of the requested materials, including the envelope your CD came in. If you cannot provide this, please state the reason why. Once the product submission is received by mail, Symantec's Brand Protection team will examine the submission, and if the product and the product key are authentic, validated and not abused, we will send you a notification detailing the finding together with the next appropriate steps or resolution."

SNAIL MAIL! Can you f-ing believe it? No telephone activation support, no email activation support.

Great! I have to return the PC to the owner with a non-functioning Norton 360. The owner will be required to POSTAL MAIL as much documentation as required for rebate submission, in order to get the remaining balance of the paid subsciption that they are entitled to (assuming they even get a favorable outcome from Symantec's "investigation").

I can only presume this is deliberately crafted to make you purchase another subscription. e.g. you can mail all that stuff to us and be without a functioning security application for two or three weeks, or purchase another subscription and product key online right now. Great choice (by design).
 

Thetech

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Dude, I don't mean to be blunt but....

I'd advise them to upgrade to something cheaper, better, faster, and a HELL of a lot less intrusive and restrictive.
NOD32 made by eset and available at www.eset.com

The owner will praise you for telling them about it in the long run.
 

tcsenter

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These aren't the listening types. I tell them something and they do whatever they were going to do anyway.
 

akugami

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
These aren't the listening types. I tell them something and they do whatever they were going to do anyway.

Time's like this I'm reminded about this quote. Dumb and Dumber.

Lloyd Christmas: What are the chances of a guy like you and a girl like me...ending up together?
Mary Swanson: Not good.
Lloyd Christmas: You mean not good like one out of a hundred?
Mary Swanson: I'd say more like one in a million.
[a long sad pause]
Lloyd Christmas: So you're telling me there's a chance? Yeah! I read ya.
 

corkyg

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That is primarily the main reason I stopped using Symantec several years ago. I clone my drives about every week and rotate them. Only a problem with Symantec. If you change drives, they require you to deactivate first - then reactivate afterwards. That just became too much of a PITA. There are too many good alternatives, i.e., AVG, Kaspersky, NOD32, etc. that don't jerk you around like that.

The last Norton Systemworks that did not require activation was version 2002. I use selected programs from it, but have learned it doesn't have to be installed. I can run them directly from the CD.
 

Chiefcrowe

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Just curious, why do you clone your drives so often?

Originally posted by: corkyg
That is primarily the main reason I stopped using Symantec several years ago. I clone my drives about every week and rotate them. Only a problem with Symantec. If you change drives, they require you to deactivate first - then reactivate afterwards. That just became too much of a PITA. There are too many good alternatives, i.e., AVG, Kaspersky, NOD32, etc. that don't jerk you around like that.

The last Norton Systemworks that did not require activation was version 2002. I use selected programs from it, but have learned it doesn't have to be installed. I can run them directly from the CD.

 

corkyg

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Originally posted by: Chiefcrowe
Just curious, why do you clone your drives so often?
That practice goes back several years. All of my computers have two system drives - they are complete duplicates. (Even my laptops.) They are cloned any time there are significant updates or changes. Only one of the two drives is connected to power. The other is OFF and in reserve. After every cloning operation, I switch the power connection (by switch in mobile racks) and the other drive gets a week off.

This is my ready-to-go backup system. No restoration needed. Just switch and go. All data files are kept on a RAID1 array, and that is also cloned to an external drive. It is all part of what I call "planned redundancy."

It really works well, like so . . .

Swap

 

tcsenter

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Originally posted by: bruceb
You have the options of Telephone or On Line Chat
Thanks, I found an email support link on Symantec's website about six hours after my OP. Tried the chat first but I was #58 in the chat queue. Waited for about 15 minutes with the chat window open, and the queue was dropping about one per minute, which means I would have been waiting there for about an hour. So I exited the chat and used the email link, which promised a response within 24 hours. The computer is already on its way back to the owner, still no response from Symantec. :roll:

I am not opposed to product activation schemes at all, but de-activating after changing the hard drive is intolerably restrictive. I completely accept counting the motherboard as a significant hardware change, but not even Windows will balk at a hard drive change unless it is the third subsequent hardware change that has been made since activation.
 

MadRat

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So at this point you couldn't reinsert the old hard drive, deactivate Norton then reactivate Norton on the new hard drive?
 

tcsenter

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Originally posted by: MadRat
So at this point you couldn't reinsert the old hard drive, deactivate Norton then reactivate Norton on the new hard drive?
Another activation with the same product key is another activation. Evidently, I already burned through the maximum allowable number of activations. Besides, I don't think it works like iTunes to de-authorize the user rights on one machine. At least I am not aware of any way to electively 'de-activate' Norton 360 for this purpose so that you don't needlessly burn through 'allowable' activations because of hardware changes.

24 hours has come and gone, still no reply from Symantec...
 

Chiefcrowe

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Hey that is a pretty great idea! nice one, I will have to do that one of these days!


Originally posted by: corkyg
Originally posted by: Chiefcrowe
Just curious, why do you clone your drives so often?
That practice goes back several years. All of my computers have two system drives - they are complete duplicates. (Even my laptops.) They are cloned any time there are significant updates or changes. Only one of the two drives is connected to power. The other is OFF and in reserve. After every cloning operation, I switch the power connection (by switch in mobile racks) and the other drive gets a week off.

This is my ready-to-go backup system. No restoration needed. Just switch and go. All data files are kept on a RAID1 array, and that is also cloned to an external drive. It is all part of what I call "planned redundancy."

It really works well, like so . . .

Swap

 

tcsenter

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Finally received a reply. Symantec reset the activation limit for the product key, so hopefully the owner won't have a problem when trying to activate.
 

MadRat

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Good to see they addressed your issue. Symantec isn't a bad company. Not like Intuit or some of those other ones.
 

spittledip

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Originally posted by: MadRat
Good to see they addressed your issue. Symantec isn't a bad company. Not like Intuit or some of those other ones.

They might not be a bad company, but they sure make a lousy product!
 

BigPoppa

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Originally posted by: spittledip
Originally posted by: MadRat
Good to see they addressed your issue. Symantec isn't a bad company. Not like Intuit or some of those other ones.

They might not be a bad company, but they sure make a lousy product!

Their 2009 consumer software is fantastic.
 

Schadenfroh

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Originally posted by: spittledip
Originally posted by: MadRat
Good to see they addressed your issue. Symantec isn't a bad company. Not like Intuit or some of those other ones.

They might not be a bad company, but they sure make a lousy product!

I find Symantec Corporate Anti-Virus to be good. I have not used Ghost in a while, but it was good when I used it years ago. They own Partition Magic as well, which can come in handy. Their home products were bloated and slow, but I have heard that 2009 helps in that regard.
 
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Symantec consumer products are complete garbage. Their new Endpoint protection AV is pretty good and actually very small and not very resource hungry.
 

Phynaz

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Symantec consumer products are complete garbage. Their new Endpoint protection AV is pretty good and actually very small and not very resource hungry.


Have you tried the 2009 editions?
 

oynaz

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The editions prior to 2009 has put me off Norton Products for life. Norton 360 is as annoying and resorce-hungry as most vira, and getting rid rid of it is more work.

That rather defeats the purpose of anti-virus software in the first place.

The Windows firewall, Avast, Firefox, and Windows Defender are fine for me, thank you very much.
 
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