Synthetic diamonds...

[PhatoseAlpha]

It's obviously a matter of trying to keep to tradition as close as possible without giving money to DeBiers. A lab created diamond is a diamond, chemically and physically, and the tradition is for a woman to get a diamond in her engagement ring. He doesn't want to rewrite the rules of dating or anything, he just wants to not give hundreds or thousands of dollar to a cartel which could only be described as evil.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: PhatoseAlpha
It's obviously a matter of trying to keep to tradition as close as possible without giving money to DeBiers. A lab created diamond is a diamond, chemically and physically, and the tradition is for a woman to get a diamond in her engagement ring. He doesn't want to rewrite the rules of dating or anything, he just wants to not give hundreds or thousands of dollar to a cartel which could only be described as evil.

Actually, the significance behind a diamond is that it's a rare, exotic, and beautiful stone. There are only so many naturally occurring diamonds in the world, and not much chance of any new ones popping up out of the ground anytime soon since they take so long to form. To acquire one of these stones and give it to someone is a symbol of your dedication, love, and devotion to them.

A man made diamond is neither rare nor exotic... it comes from a renewable source. Sure, they're beautiful, but so can be a piece of glass. If you give this man made diamond that can be replaced and reproduced almost at will, you've taken away the significance of giving your significicant other something that is rare and exotic. So in essence, you may as well give her a piece of glass, as it is no less a symbol of rarity, exoticism, nor timeless beauty.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

ZHEEEEEEEEEEE BLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUD DAHMUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNDS! (Diamonds are Forever by Kanye West) :laugh:

 

[iwantanewcomputer]

Originally posted by: alien42
better than just synthetic

that is kinda creepy.

____, I love you want to spend the rest of my life with you. Will you wear this dead guy around your finger?

 

[PhatoseAlpha]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: PhatoseAlpha
It's obviously a matter of trying to keep to tradition as close as possible without giving money to DeBiers. A lab created diamond is a diamond, chemically and physically, and the tradition is for a woman to get a diamond in her engagement ring. He doesn't want to rewrite the rules of dating or anything, he just wants to not give hundreds or thousands of dollar to a cartel which could only be described as evil.

Actually, the significance behind a diamond is that it's a rare, exotic, and beautiful stone. There are only so many naturally occurring diamonds in the world, and not much chance of any new ones popping up out of the ground anytime soon since they take so long to form. To acquire one of these stones and give it to someone is a symbol of your dedication, love, and devotion to them.

A man made diamond is neither rare nor exotic... it comes from a renewable source. Sure, they're beautiful, but so can be a piece of glass. If you give this man made diamond that can be replaced and reproduced almost at will, you've taken away the significance of giving your significicant other something that is rare and exotic. So in essence, you may as well give her a piece of glass, as it is no less a symbol of rarity, exoticism, nor timeless beauty.

In principle, I agree with you - though as the topic creator has discovered, man made gem quality diamonds are actually pretty rare. But going along with those principles is one heck of a legacy of corruption, strong arming, abuse and in all likelyhood, more then a few deaths. Switching over to another precious stone might lessen in, as they aren't monopolized the way debiers did diamonds, but all the same, there is exploitation going on in the ruby and saphhire trade. From that standpoint, the topic creator is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.


But there is more to just the basic principle of the ideal at stake here. There is a definite social angle. A diamond is the traditional ring for those reasons, yes, but I daresay to many women, it's importance is as much about showing it off to friends, relatives and strangers as it is any symbolism. The things are expensive, and the man made ones of decent quality are pretty expensive too. From that angle, it seems reasonable enough to me - she gets her diamond, he shows her she's worth the money, she gets to show it off to everyone and smile, while his conscience is clear of endorsing the blood trade.


It's certainly gonna be easier for her to show off her man-made diamond to her mother and leave off the man made part, or to explain why he went that route, then it would be to explain why she got a ruby or emerald engagement ring, neh?

 

[BigPoppa]

Rubies, sapphies, and emeralds are all more rare than diamonds. They just don't have a monopoly behind them.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: DVK916
Watch out your girl friend might be one of those girls who say "If the ring ain't blinging the church bells won't be ringing"

You've posted that here several times before, and it doesn't get any funnier each time.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer

Originally posted by: alien42
better than just synthetic

that is kinda creepy.

____, I love you want to spend the rest of my life with you. Will you wear this dead guy around your finger?

yeah.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: PhatoseAlpha
It's obviously a matter of trying to keep to tradition as close as possible without giving money to DeBiers. A lab created diamond is a diamond, chemically and physically, and the tradition is for a woman to get a diamond in her engagement ring. He doesn't want to rewrite the rules of dating or anything, he just wants to not give hundreds or thousands of dollar to a cartel which could only be described as evil.

DeBeers created the tradition.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Isla
"Real" diamonds are overrated. If you want to get a synth, more power to you.

In fact, jewelry is OK but overall, what is it beside decoration? Useless.

I have plenty of nice jewelry but tend to prefer the more artistic, interesting pieces. There is nothing tackier than a woman who wears a lot of jewelry. Icky. Matching pieces are the worst... very old lady.

Anyway, the best luxury you can give a woman is the freedom to stay at home with her children if that is what she chooses. Stay out of debt and don't buy into rampant materialism.

JMHO

I dig your style. :beer:

 

[jhu]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

How many stones can they grow at once? If they have multiple machines growing them, then yeah... but if they just have one... ~80 per year isn't exactly enough to keep a business alive.

i'm pretty sure they have multiple machines. they cost approximately $80k-100k each, the electricity used isn't that high, and they sell these cut diamonds to dealers for at least at 30% of retail.

 

[PhatoseAlpha]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: PhatoseAlpha
It's obviously a matter of trying to keep to tradition as close as possible without giving money to DeBiers. A lab created diamond is a diamond, chemically and physically, and the tradition is for a woman to get a diamond in her engagement ring. He doesn't want to rewrite the rules of dating or anything, he just wants to not give hundreds or thousands of dollar to a cartel which could only be described as evil.

DeBeers created the tradition.

Yeah, but try explaining that to your fiancee's mother.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: PhatoseAlpha
It's obviously a matter of trying to keep to tradition as close as possible without giving money to DeBiers. A lab created diamond is a diamond, chemically and physically, and the tradition is for a woman to get a diamond in her engagement ring. He doesn't want to rewrite the rules of dating or anything, he just wants to not give hundreds or thousands of dollar to a cartel which could only be described as evil.

Actually, the significance behind a diamond is that it's a rare, exotic, and beautiful stone. There are only so many naturally occurring diamonds in the world, and not much chance of any new ones popping up out of the ground anytime soon since they take so long to form. To acquire one of these stones and give it to someone is a symbol of your dedication, love, and devotion to them.

A man made diamond is neither rare nor exotic... it comes from a renewable source. Sure, they're beautiful, but so can be a piece of glass. If you give this man made diamond that can be replaced and reproduced almost at will, you've taken away the significance of giving your significicant other something that is rare and exotic. So in essence, you may as well give her a piece of glass, as it is no less a symbol of rarity, exoticism, nor timeless beauty.

Sorry but that is BS to the max. Rubies are more rare but they are cheaper why? Because they don;t have a large cartel artificially inflating there value.

I take it you sell jewelry. As there are only 2 people that believe diamonds are rare, those that sell them and idiots that believe them. Which are you?

 

[jhu]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975Sorry but that is BS to the max. Rubies are more rare but they are cheaper why? Because they don;t have a large cartel artificially inflating there value.

I take it you sell jewelry. As there are only 2 people that believe diamonds are rare, those that sell them and idiots that believe them. Which are you?

of course rubies can also be created

 

[Dulanic]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: PhatoseAlpha
It's obviously a matter of trying to keep to tradition as close as possible without giving money to DeBiers. A lab created diamond is a diamond, chemically and physically, and the tradition is for a woman to get a diamond in her engagement ring. He doesn't want to rewrite the rules of dating or anything, he just wants to not give hundreds or thousands of dollar to a cartel which could only be described as evil.

Actually, the significance behind a diamond is that it's a rare, exotic, and beautiful stone. There are only so many naturally occurring diamonds in the world, and not much chance of any new ones popping up out of the ground anytime soon since they take so long to form. To acquire one of these stones and give it to someone is a symbol of your dedication, love, and devotion to them.

A man made diamond is neither rare nor exotic... it comes from a renewable source. Sure, they're beautiful, but so can be a piece of glass. If you give this man made diamond that can be replaced and reproduced almost at will, you've taken away the significance of giving your significicant other something that is rare and exotic. So in essence, you may as well give her a piece of glass, as it is no less a symbol of rarity, exoticism, nor timeless beauty.

Sorry but that is BS to the max. Rubies are more rare but they are cheaper why? Because they don;t have a large cartel artificially inflating there value.

I take it you sell jewelry. As there are only 2 people that believe diamonds are rare, those that sell them and idiots that believe them. Which are you?

Was just going to say the same.

Me and my gf have decided to go with http://www.van-graff.com/1024/ he has some great skill at making rings and gems. They are CZ, but don't easily change color like CZ can especially with heat.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: PhatoseAlpha
It's obviously a matter of trying to keep to tradition as close as possible without giving money to DeBiers. A lab created diamond is a diamond, chemically and physically, and the tradition is for a woman to get a diamond in her engagement ring. He doesn't want to rewrite the rules of dating or anything, he just wants to not give hundreds or thousands of dollar to a cartel which could only be described as evil.

Actually, the significance behind a diamond is that it's a rare, exotic, and beautiful stone. There are only so many naturally occurring diamonds in the world, and not much chance of any new ones popping up out of the ground anytime soon since they take so long to form. To acquire one of these stones and give it to someone is a symbol of your dedication, love, and devotion to them.

A man made diamond is neither rare nor exotic... it comes from a renewable source. Sure, they're beautiful, but so can be a piece of glass. If you give this man made diamond that can be replaced and reproduced almost at will, you've taken away the significance of giving your significicant other something that is rare and exotic. So in essence, you may as well give her a piece of glass, as it is no less a symbol of rarity, exoticism, nor timeless beauty.

Sorry but that is BS to the max. Rubies are more rare but they are cheaper why? Because they don;t have a large cartel artificially inflating there value.

I take it you sell jewelry. As there are only 2 people that believe diamonds are rare, those that sell them and idiots that believe them. Which are you?

What an intelligent statement... the only people who believe are the people who believe, lol. That's so funny it's hard to take you seriously now. I guess I'm easily amused.

Anyway... I'll try not to use big words this time so maybe you can understand. Originally (that means "at first"), diamonds were given as gifts because they were rare (that means difficult to find), exotic (that means unusual or different), and beautiful. They're given to someone as a symbol of all those things... "here's something rare, exotic, and beautiful just like you." There is nothing else like a diamond... a diamond is unique (that means "one of a kind" or "without equal"). Sure, there are things more rare and difficult to find than diamonds... so what? A diamond is a diamond. It's a symbol. It's tradition. If all you're looking for is something rare or something that has unique properties, how bout getting your fiance a uranium engagement ring, or a piece of glass and explain to her that many people believe glass is actually a very dense liquid, not actually a solid? That makes about as much sense as getting her a fake diamond. If your fiance wants a diamond simply to have a diamond on her finger, go ahead and buy her a fake one. Buy her 10 of them, one for each finger. But if you both actually understand the significance of giving someone an engagement ring, you won't even consider a man made diamond.

(I gave up on trying to use words you may understand, so I told you what they mean... then I gave up on that too, so if you still can't grasp the simple concept that a diamond engagement ring is a symbol of something more than the hardest substance known to man, I have no desire to continue a conversation with you)

 

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[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: bmacd
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You know you can subscribe to a thread, or mark it as a favorite without actually posting in it, don't you?

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
The diamond trade in Africa has long been rife with corruption, slavery, extremely poor work conditions, and killings

Then buy diamonds that came from Canada

 

[jhu]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

What an intelligent statement... the only people who believe are the people who believe, lol. That's so funny it's hard to take you seriously now. I guess I'm easily amused.

the truth is that diamonds are not rare. annually, more than 3 billion carats are produced, out of which 138 million carats become gems with the rest being shunted towards industrial uses.

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Anyway... I'll try not to use big words this time so maybe you can understand. Originally (that means "at first"), diamonds were given as gifts because they were rare (that means difficult to find), exotic (that means unusual or different), and beautiful. They're given to someone as a symbol of all those things... "here's something rare, exotic, and beautiful just like you." There is nothing else like a diamond... a diamond is unique (that means "one of a kind" or "without equal"). Sure, there are things more rare and difficult to find than diamonds... so what? A diamond is a diamond. It's a symbol. It's tradition. If all you're looking for is something rare or something that has unique properties, how bout getting your fiance a uranium engagement ring, or a piece of glass and explain to her that many people believe glass is actually a very dense liquid, not actually a solid? That makes about as much sense as getting her a fake diamond. If your fiance wants a diamond simply to have a diamond on her finger, go ahead and buy her a fake one. Buy her 10 of them, one for each finger. But if you both actually understand the significance of giving someone an engagement ring, you won't even consider a man made diamond.

diamonds were originally a marketing ploy by de beers to turn a sem-precious gem into a "precious" gem and sell them to unwweary men to give to their women. take a look here. unfortunately, the idea of getting a diamond engagement ring is so entrenched in our culture that the only practical way to break de beers's hold on it (and to ensure a bloodless diamond) is to buy synthetic or canadian.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: jhu

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

What an intelligent statement... the only people who believe are the people who believe, lol. That's so funny it's hard to take you seriously now. I guess I'm easily amused.

the truth is that diamonds are not rare. annually, more than 3 billion carats are produced, out of which 138 million carats become gems with the rest being shunted towards industrial uses.

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Anyway... I'll try not to use big words this time so maybe you can understand. Originally (that means "at first"), diamonds were given as gifts because they were rare (that means difficult to find), exotic (that means unusual or different), and beautiful. They're given to someone as a symbol of all those things... "here's something rare, exotic, and beautiful just like you." There is nothing else like a diamond... a diamond is unique (that means "one of a kind" or "without equal"). Sure, there are things more rare and difficult to find than diamonds... so what? A diamond is a diamond. It's a symbol. It's tradition. If all you're looking for is something rare or something that has unique properties, how bout getting your fiance a uranium engagement ring, or a piece of glass and explain to her that many people believe glass is actually a very dense liquid, not actually a solid? That makes about as much sense as getting her a fake diamond. If your fiance wants a diamond simply to have a diamond on her finger, go ahead and buy her a fake one. Buy her 10 of them, one for each finger. But if you both actually understand the significance of giving someone an engagement ring, you won't even consider a man made diamond.

diamonds were originally a marketing ploy by de beers to turn a sem-precious gem into a "precious" gem and sell them to unwweary men to give to their women. take a look here. unfortunately, the idea of getting a diamond engagement ring is so entrenched in our culture that the only practical way to break de beers's hold on it (and to ensure a bloodless diamond) is to buy synthetic or canadian.

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