T-Mobile MDA - FAR w/ 2 yr. contract at Amazon

vetteguy

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Hmm...ok, this phone is $399 new from T-mobile for existing customers (of course, as always, why let me, a customer of over 5 years have ANY kind of discount on a phone). It's $49.99 with a $50 MIR. It says in the fine print that if I don't keep service for 181 days I have to pay $250. But, that's still cheaper than $400...so I'm almost tempted to just do that. Any reason why that wouldn't work?
 

whiteboy81

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They will charge you the $250 if you don't keep your current line...at least that's the experience I had a little over a year ago.
 

vetteguy

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Originally posted by: whiteboy81
They will charge you the $250 if you don't keep your current line...at least that's the experience I had a little over a year ago.

Right, but I'd still be paying $250 vs. $400, isn't that what it's saying?
 

SenorBiggles

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Originally posted by: vetteguy
Hmm...ok, this phone is $399 new from T-mobile for existing customers (of course, as always, why let me, a customer of over 5 years have ANY kind of discount on a phone). It's $49.99 with a $50 MIR. It says in the fine print that if I don't keep service for 181 days I have to pay $250. But, that's still cheaper than $400...so I'm almost tempted to just do that. Any reason why that wouldn't work?

I ordered the MDA last week when I first saw this deal (arrived today), but before I ordered, I called T-Mobile in the hope that they would give me some kind of deal when I asked them why I should bother to continue service on my sidekick when I can ge the MDA for free after rebate. The csr gave me some bs about buying through other parties might require more for their contract. Amazon's is the exact same commitment as T-Mobile. Time to cancel my sidekick now.
 

Boze

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Ugh... this crap is pathetic. I called T-Mobile and explained the promotion to them, even gave them a link to the site so the rep's supervisor could review it herself, stayed on hold for 30 minutes, negotiated them down to... a ridiculous $249.99 WITH a 2 year service extension. I think I'll be looking for Sprint or Verizon service now, since its pretty obvious there's no reason to stay with T-Mobile if this is how they treat existing loyal customers.

Additionally, I could understand their viewpoint if this were, say, a Samsung phone, as Samsung is a third-party supplier to phone companies and Amazon could buy a million Samsung phones and beat out T-Mobile's price all day long, but the fact of the matter is that T-MOBILE THEMSELVES sold the darn phones to Amazon in the first place... and now Amazon goes off on one of its crazy promotions which ends up in existing T-Mobile customers being screwed out of an awesome phone and T-Mobile ends up looking like a jackass of a company to boot because they aren't willing to match Amazon's pricing.

Christ this pisses me...
 

QuixoticOne

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Well be careful

Amazon said they charge 250 if you don't keep service for 181 days.
Be VERY careful that there are not OTHER penalty clauses / situations
in either the amazon contracts, AMAZON OR TMO REBATE FORMS, or TMOBILE CONTRACT.

Does Tmobile charge you $200 Early Termination Fee on the line (that's their usual
thing for terminating an in-contract line) ALSO on top of being subject to the $250
fee from AMAZON?

Will you be eligible to get the rebates on the handset from TMOBILE? ...from AMAZON?

If you order the amazon service line, KEEP the amazon service line, and terminate your
EXISTING tmobile line (which is presumably out of contract) what will be the penalties?

Does the amazon $250 charge cover terminating the AMAZON line, OR your EXISTING
tmobile line, or both cases? I had heard that if you order a 2nd line and then terminate
your existing line (even though it's not in contract) within NINETY DAYS it may
be considered a violation; I had not heard about 181 days before.

Could you maybe start a family plan and then somehow transfer your existing line
PLUS the new amazon line into a family plan (e.g. the new 49.99/mo/1000min one)
and just keep both lines active? You'd be under probably a 2 year contract
for 2 lines at 49.99 but you'd be presumably elibible for disconunts / rebates
on the newly added line, and any other (3rd, 4th) lines you activate and add to the
same family plan while still only paying 49.99 + (#lines x amount of per line taxes/fees).

BTW I checked:
https://my.t-mobile.com/CIHU/default.aspx
and I see my upgrade price for an MDA is $349.99 - 50 mail in rebate = $299.99 so
I guess we're getting similar answers; yes, it seems quite high.

BTW if you keep the AMAZON line, and disconnect your existing line, you'll probably
be unable to swap phone numbers on the two lines, so you'll probably lose your old
number....

Also if you just port your current service number out to a land line provider, voip
provider, Tmobile to-go or cingular prepaid number for 90 days, close your tmobile
account, on the 91st day, you'll be a "new customer" and can just get the amazon
deal and port your number in to get that old phone number you had....

If you have a friend / partner / relative you could get THEM to activate the amazon
deal, then terminate your existing line and do a change-of-responsibility to take
over the service in your name and that should be possible to do either immediately
or maybe after 90 days of your terminating your old number and you'd lose no money...
 

NSA Lummox

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There's reasons for this . . . all of this . . .

I'm going to try and address several concerns as I've been through this process more than once now.

Amazon said they charge 250 if you don't keep service for 181 days. Be VERY careful that there are not OTHER penalty clauses / situations in either the amazon contracts, AMAZON OR TMO REBATE FORMS, or TMOBILE CONTRACT.

First point: MIR vs Instant Savings
The reason they charge you a penalty is because of a reverse in the way they do business now; which is the same as before in all honesty just that the customer pays less up front. Amazon used to offer either big instant savings or a huge rebate. With the rebate, if you read the fine print, you can only mail in the rebate after 180 days of service, otherwise your rebate is void. You can't mail it in right after you get the phone or it will be declined unless you submit it later (post 180 days). The reason they charge you this fee is legitimate. If you cancel your service, then they lose on the money for your contract, and want it back. It's the same situation with the rebate: if you cancel your service, no rebate for you. The difference is with this you get the savings up front and pay it back if you drop them.

Does Tmobile charge you $200 Early Termination Fee on the line (that's their usual
thing for terminating an in-contract line) ALSO on top of being subject to the $250
fee from AMAZON?

Yes; this is the case with the rebates as well. On a side note, for example, Verizon promises you a new phone in two years. The sick thing is, they can afford to do this without a penalty because in two years they've made enough off of you to buy you two phones. Again, nothing illegitimate here.

If you order the amazon service line, KEEP the amazon service line, and terminate your EXISTING tmobile line (which is presumably out of contract) what will be the penalties?

Does the amazon $250 charge cover terminating the AMAZON line, OR your EXISTING
tmobile line, or both cases? I had heard that if you order a 2nd line and then terminate
your existing line (even though it's not in contract) within NINETY DAYS it may
be considered a violation; I had not heard about 181 days before.

Second point: Existing lines

As long as you're signing into a contract, they're making their money. You don't have to terminate your existing line even if it is out of contract. Order the phone with a new contract and then port your number. There's no termination that way. You will be assigned a new phone number on the phone you order with the new contract, but if you call T-Mobile and tell them "hey, I need to port this number to this account" they will cancel the old one but move the phone number to the new one, and you still get your savings. I just recently did this from Verizon to T-Mobile; my Verizon account was past its contract (no cancellation fee) and my new T-Mobile phone (the t809) had a new number allocated to it. One call and it was switched in a day. Again, the 181 days is for Amazon to ensure they get their due from the contract.

As for the rest of your "If I do this with line x but do THIS with line y . . .", I'm not going to touch it, I got a headache trying to follow it after a while. This has been the way its worked for me, and that is an accurate explanation of the cancelation dates/terms/fees.

Ugh... this crap is pathetic. I called T-Mobile and explained the promotion to them, even gave them a link to the site so the rep's supervisor could review it herself, stayed on hold for 30 minutes, negotiated them down to... a ridiculous $249.99 WITH a 2 year service extension. I think I'll be looking for Sprint or Verizon service now, since its pretty obvious there's no reason to stay with T-Mobile if this is how they treat existing loyal customers.

Carrier overhead

I understand your frustration, but there's a few points I'd like to make about this.

I know people have anything but sympathy for the cell providers; nor do I (in fact I hate every telecom with a passion for several reasons), but you will never find the best deal through the carrier, and here's why.

The carrier has the overhead of paying CSRs, buying towers and airtime, maintaining their billing centers, etc. They need to make money off of their contracts to cover this cost. While they could do a similar thing as Amazon and simply charge the phone discount as well, they'd become unpopular realllly fast if they charged you $450 for cancellation instead of $200 or $250. They're selling the phone usually slightly below cost with their discounts when you get it through them. Amazon, Buy.com, etc, can afford to sell you the phone at a loss because they make it up from the commissions from the service plan; hence the charge if you don't keep your plan going for 6 months (they lose commission then).

Now, I know no matter what I say I'll probably still get flamed and called an idiot, and that's fine, but after spending over half a decade in retail electronics, experiencing the start of the cell phone craze when they became affordable, and having many close friends in the cell phone business because of my retail experience, I know this is the motivation behind these penalties/savings/contracts/etc.

And before I get some kind of flaming for "probably working for a cell phone company", I don't and never have. I worked retail at Staples and I'm a software engineer now, and like I said, I hate telecoms. I just thought I'd share all this since there was confusion.
 

Albis

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I think QuixoticOne's questions deal with transferring an old T-Mobile account (that is out of contract) to a new T-Mobile account that you created through Amazon.

I have the same questions as well. My contract is just about up and would like to stay with T-Mobile but the Amazon phone deals are so tempting. Does anyone know if I can transfer a T-Mobile number to another T-Mobile account?
 

NSA Lummox

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Originally posted by: Albis
I think QuixoticOne's questions deal with transferring an old T-Mobile account (that is out of contract) to a new T-Mobile account that you created through Amazon.

I have the same questions as well. My contract is just about up and would like to stay with T-Mobile but the Amazon phone deals are so tempting. Does anyone know if I can transfer a T-Mobile number to another T-Mobile account?


Yes, you should be able to transfer the number. It would be the same as porting it just within the same carrier. Call them to double check, but I'm fairly certain this just works the same as a port. If you were still in a contract with your provider you may still have to pay a cancellation fee though; this much I'm not sure of.

The reason I'm sure this would work is because, theoretically, you could purchase a Verizon phone, port your T-Mobile number (effectively cancelling your account), then, port it back to T-Mobile within Verizon's 15-day period (cancelling that account), return the phone to the retailer, and be on the T-Mobile plan with the same number. Being that this is possible, I would assume porting your number within the carrier (T-Mobile to T-Mobile) would work.
 

Spike

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I was able to talk T-mobile down to $199 with no rebate and an extension for the MDA a few months ago. I just used a link to the deal on amazon for cingulars model thats the exact sime except for a few exterior touches. That was the best I could get so we went with it.
 

QuixoticOne

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Originally posted by: Albis
I think QuixoticOne's questions deal with transferring an old T-Mobile account (that is out of contract) to a new T-Mobile account that you created through Amazon.

I have the same questions as well. My contract is just about up and would like to stay with T-Mobile but the Amazon phone deals are so tempting. Does anyone know if I can transfer a T-Mobile number to another T-Mobile account?


Second point: Existing lines

As long as you're signing into a contract, they're making their money. You don't have to terminate your existing line even if it is out of contract. Order the phone with a new contract and then port your number. There's no termination that way. You will be assigned a new phone number on the phone you order with the new contract, but if you call T-Mobile and tell them "hey, I need to port this number to this account" they will cancel the old one but move the phone number to the new one, and you still get your savings. I just recently did this from Verizon to T-Mobile; my Verizon account was past its contract (no cancellation fee) and my new T-Mobile phone (the t809) had a new number allocated to it. One call and it was switched in a day. Again, the 181 days is for Amazon to ensure they get their due from the contract.


Well here's what I've heard.

a) If you have *any* tmobile post-paid line in your name, OR HAVE HAD ONE IN
THE PAST 90 DAYS, you're considered an 'existing customer' by Tmobile. People
in this class *can* qualify for 'new activation' discounts / rebates on
*additional lines of service* (which may be any / all lines added to a family plan,
or which may be an ADDITIONAL individual plan line of any kind).

b) However they call the tactic of additional customers with some existing line(s) of
service ordering a NEW line of service as a new activation with all the
rebates / discounts, THEN canceling one of their PREEXISTING lines of service
'artificial churn'. I HAVE HEARD TMOBILE has a policy of denying this practice in
one of more ways.

c) I've HEARD that TMOBILE *WILL NOT* 'port' a phone number from one line owned
by a customer to another line owned by that same customer in some circumstances,
and I believe 'the shell game' 'artificial churn' scenario is one case where they
will refuse to 'port' the number between your two lines -- having an existing
out-of-contract line, ordering a new activation line to get discounts on a new handset,
trying to 'port' the number of the preexisting old line into the new line so the customer
doesn't 'lose' the old phone number, then the customer quickly terminates service on
the old 'out of contract' number.

d) I've HEARD that if you DO order a new line of service in addition to preexisting lines
of service, that they'll consider it 'artificial churn' if you terminate any of the preexisting
line(s) within 90 days of the date of the new activation. I imagine that after 90 days
tmobile might be willing to 'switch' phone numbers on your lines though I can't
say exactly what their policy is. Of course if you plan to keep the old line as little
as possible, think about changing that to the lowest rate non-promotional plan
offered which wouldn't involve you extending / violating your old line's contract.


e) Since you're still 'in their system' as an 'existing customer' for 90 days after you
terminate a line of service, you'll NOT be eligible for a 'new activation' discount / rebates
if you terminate service on your previous tmobile line(s), then within 90 days order
another 'new activation' line for yourself.

f) You CAN port your old TMobile number OUT to another service or carrier
(including TMobile's own TO-GO prepaid service) for 90 days, then on the 91st day
you ARE considered a 'new customer' and can get all possible rebates / discounts,
and in many cases you CAN 'port' in the 'old number' (that's now sitting active on
some other carrier or some prepaid service like Cingular or Tmobile's) to be used
on the 'new activation' line.

g) I've HEARD there are some clauses some indirects have in THEIR contracts that
limit your ability to make changes to the plan, OR THE PHONE NUMBER of the activated
line for a long period of time or else you may be subject to rebate denial by the indirect
or be subject to some fee. I HAVE heard previously in past months/years that you
actually COULD change the phone number on an activated line, and that you could
still get the rebates but you may need to fill in the details of the new number or
whatever on the rebate form or contact them or what not. I think maybe they check
to see if your ACCOUNT NUMBER is still active, and it's maybe OK if the PHONE NUMBER
changes from the one that was activated, even though they may seem to limit this
in the language of their contract and maybe seem to base the rebate form stuff on
the 'phone number'. I'd get it IN WRITING that you CAN change / port / whatever phone
numbers on the new activated line any time without adverse consequence if there is
any doubt.

h) I've HEARD that changing your PLAN for a long while may be prohibited by
indirect dealers' contracts. Again, I've heard that in practice, in the past it's often
been FINE to change PLANS within certain restrictions -- I believe you've got to keep
the activated line on a contractual term plan that has an equal or higher monthly
basic billing rate as the one you activated. If you keep the same account number
(as you would in general unless you disconnect service), and keep paying for an equal
or higher monthly rate plan on that line, you're probably ok (so I've heard) to get
your rebates and aren't voilating anyone's contract. Though, again, I believe the
way they WORD the indirects' contracts may actually prohibit this or be unclear on this
point. I'd get it IN WRITING that it's OK to do without adverse consequences if you
plan to switch plans.

i) One area that's been very confusing in the past, especially with amazon (who didn't
previously sell tmobile family plan activations) is if you can order
one or more individual new activation lines on individual rate plans, THEN switch
those lines into a family plan and still get the rebates and not be penalized. I've
HEARD that the way it used to work (and may still work) is that you CAN, say,
activate two new service amazon lines on, say, 39.99 individual independent plans,
THEN at basically any time you MAY call Tmobile customer service and have those
two 39.99/month individual plans both under your own name combined into, say,
a single 49.99/month or whatever they offer family plan. In this case you'd go from
paying 79.98/mo for 2x39.99 individual lines into paying just 49.99/month including
service for both those lines in a basic family plan. Evidentally that was considered
QUITE OK by TMobile / Amazon, and I guess it makes sense in that new family plan
lines ARE supposed to qualify for new activation discounts / rebates, though it's
confusing since depending on how you look at it you are terminating (changing) the
lines PLANs as well as switching to a lower-rate monthly service, but I've heard it's OK
to do. This MAY have changed, so get clarification in writing.

So basically if you're an existing customer, I'd suggest either
a) port out your numbers to a prepaid (tmo, cingular) service that will let you
port the same number OUT again (some services do NOT let you port in or port out
prepaid numbers!). Terminate your tmo lines for over 90 days, then you can
sign up as a new activation customer.

b) Get a friend / family member / partner to activate 'new service' to get the discounts
under their name (assuming they're not an 'existing customer'), then you can terminate
your tmobile lines and after the rebates come in (guess that might take 180+ days)
you can do a change-of-responsibility of the service into your name. If you just
do a 'change of responsibility', though, the ACCOUNT NUMBER will be closed even if
the 'service contract' is transferred, so you probably CANNOT COR the lines before you
have the rebates in your hand....

c) Order a 'new activation' line e.g. on an individual 39.99/month plan from someone,
make sure with them you'll qualify for all the rebates / discounts without fees etc.
under this circumstance, then call tmobile to combine that line into a family plan with
your existing line. You'll have two lines now that are 'under contract' for however long,
but you can get into a 49.99/1000 minute/month plan with free mobile-to-mobile so that
may not be a bad deal assuming it's not going to violate the indirect's contract / rebate
rules (which at least in the past I've heard it's OK).

People who know more than I do hang out on HowardForums,
http://www.howardforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=52
so they'll have either success of failure stories pertinent to your case, but still
ask customer service for amazon & tmobile and get it recorded or in writing
to confirm if you're uncertain.




 

JImmyK

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Originally posted by: vetteguy
Hmm...ok, this phone is $399 new from T-mobile for existing customers (of course, as always, why let me, a customer of over 5 years have ANY kind of discount on a phone). It's $49.99 with a $50 MIR. It says in the fine print that if I don't keep service for 181 days I have to pay $250. But, that's still cheaper than $400...so I'm almost tempted to just do that. Any reason why that wouldn't work?

Dude maybe Im wrong but get the MDA with the 2 yr contract and have your old Tmobile number ported over and cancel that contract?

 

mAdMaLuDaWg

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Picked this up through FW for -$25 After two rebates ($50 & $175) with a 1 year contract. I got to say, the phone rocks. I love how you could use your own Wifi connection for the net and play Mp3s and videos as well. Best phone ever!
 

MOCKBA1

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Is $30 data plan mandatory? There is no reason to pay for it considering a lot of WiFi hot spots. This plan makes the phone too expensive, so I'd prefer to pay full price to get it cheaper.
 

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I was with tmobile. tmobile's best deal on this was 249 with a new 2 year contract.






I went to cingular and got the 8125 (exact same phone) with 2 year contract for $49.
 

QuixoticOne

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I think you can cancel the data plan and either use none or get
a cheaper one (tzones 5.99 maybe)..

Check howardforums T-Mobile forum and MDA related forums, I am sure
there's been discussion of people using alternative or no data plans there.

I don't know the full details since I don't have a MDA (yet anyway)....

I think there may be some "hacks" to be done to enable some kinds of
programmability for data features / plans or whatever, but I don't think
it's anything difficult and certainly not illegal.. just changing
settings or registry entries or whatever... I think you can unlock them
that way too from what I remember seeing a few months ago.

 

bearxor

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The reason this is so cheap now, is that this is likely an Amazon Clearance.

T-Mo and CVingular are both about to drop this phone (HTC Magician) and replace it with the newer HTC Hermes. The Hermes has a 400mhz Samsung processor, high-speed HSDPA, 128MB of RAM and a 2MP camera.

But of course, this means that those that were intrested in getting a PPC phone that might not have been able to afford it now can. I'm always one generation behnd in PPC phones. It's not a big deal. It lets the early adopters sort out the bugs. Just know that Congular has already announced the Hermes phone as the replacement to the 8125 (same as the MDA), and T-Mo will follow suite very soon.
 

bearxor

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Originally posted by: Boze
Ugh... this crap is pathetic. I called T-Mobile and explained the promotion to them, even gave them a link to the site so the rep's supervisor could review it herself, stayed on hold for 30 minutes, negotiated them down to... a ridiculous $249.99 WITH a 2 year service extension. I think I'll be looking for Sprint or Verizon service now, since its pretty obvious there's no reason to stay with T-Mobile if this is how they treat existing loyal customers.

Additionally, I could understand their viewpoint if this were, say, a Samsung phone, as Samsung is a third-party supplier to phone companies and Amazon could buy a million Samsung phones and beat out T-Mobile's price all day long, but the fact of the matter is that T-MOBILE THEMSELVES sold the darn phones to Amazon in the first place... and now Amazon goes off on one of its crazy promotions which ends up in existing T-Mobile customers being screwed out of an awesome phone and T-Mobile ends up looking like a jackass of a company to boot because they aren't willing to match Amazon's pricing.

Christ this pisses me...

Take my word for it, Sprint and Verizon don't treat thier customers any differently. I bought a 2032SP on Sprint in 2003, and have upgraded several times since then, but never to the latest, because Sprint will only give you a $150 dollar credit off the phone IF your 2 year contract is up. If it's not, you only get 75 off, and thats if you resign a two-year deal in either case.

T-Mobile did not sell these phones to Amazon, they were likely bought directly from HTC, the actual manufacturer of the device.
 

mAdMaLuDaWg

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Originally posted by: bearxor
The reason this is so cheap now, is that this is likely an Amazon Clearance.

T-Mo and CVingular are both about to drop this phone (HTC Magician) and replace it with the newer HTC Hermes. The Hermes has a 400mhz Samsung processor, high-speed HSDPA, 128MB of RAM and a 2MP camera.

But of course, this means that those that were intrested in getting a PPC phone that might not have been able to afford it now can. I'm always one generation behnd in PPC phones. It's not a big deal. It lets the early adopters sort out the bugs. Just know that Congular has already announced the Hermes phone as the replacement to the 8125 (same as the MDA), and T-Mo will follow suite very soon.

Thanks for the info! Good thing I got the deal with a 1 year contract instead of 2.
 

SenorBiggles

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Originally posted by: bearxor
The reason this is so cheap now, is that this is likely an Amazon Clearance.

T-Mo and CVingular are both about to drop this phone (HTC Magician) and replace it with the newer HTC Hermes. The Hermes has a 400mhz Samsung processor, high-speed HSDPA, 128MB of RAM and a 2MP camera.

But of course, this means that those that were intrested in getting a PPC phone that might not have been able to afford it now can. I'm always one generation behnd in PPC phones. It's not a big deal. It lets the early adopters sort out the bugs. Just know that Congular has already announced the Hermes phone as the replacement to the 8125 (same as the MDA), and T-Mo will follow suite very soon.

Actually I believe you mean Wizard. And the Hermes/TyTn phones are just hitting the Asian market at about $1000 US. It may be a few months or more before we see something here. Don't quote me on that though, just seems that Asia gets all the cool phones long before we do and we get slim pickings for months after.
 

bearxor

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Originally posted by: SenorBiggles
Originally posted by: bearxor
The reason this is so cheap now, is that this is likely an Amazon Clearance.

T-Mo and CVingular are both about to drop this phone (HTC Magician) and replace it with the newer HTC Hermes. The Hermes has a 400mhz Samsung processor, high-speed HSDPA, 128MB of RAM and a 2MP camera.

But of course, this means that those that were intrested in getting a PPC phone that might not have been able to afford it now can. I'm always one generation behnd in PPC phones. It's not a big deal. It lets the early adopters sort out the bugs. Just know that Congular has already announced the Hermes phone as the replacement to the 8125 (same as the MDA), and T-Mo will follow suite very soon.

Actually I believe you mean Wizard. And the Hermes/TyTn phones are just hitting the Asian market at about $1000 US. It may be a few months or more before we see something here. Don't quote me on that though, just seems that Asia gets all the cool phones long before we do and we get slim pickings for months after.

You're right, its the Wizard. It's hard to keep track sometimes.

And while I normally would completely agree with you, Engadget Mobile has a Cingular insider and he is pinning the Hermes in a September/October timeframe, and he has so far been a very reliable source for them:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2006/06/2...ermes-and-startrek-and-ipaq-hw6920-co/

Then again, we ARE talking Cingular here and they are looking to push HSDPA and I don't think T-Mo has any WCDMA infrastructure running (could be wrong tho, don't pay much attention to GSM carriers and I'm too lazy to go to T-Mo for a coverage check) they might not be in as big a hurry to replace the Wizard. Was just giving a heads up that the Wizard was on its way out, even though its relativitely new to US GSM carriers, especially Cingular. I don't think they'll have carried the 8125 for a year when its replaced this fall.
 

FlasHBurN

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Can I transfer my Cingular number over to this T-Mobile phone? If so, how exactly do I need to go about doing this? Do I need to cancel my Cingular service first?
 

nnnyyy

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dont cancel first. You might lose your number. Make sure your cingular service is out of contract and you can port your number over to Tmobile.
 
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