Thanks Obi-Wan!
On another note, considering your user name, I got a giggle out of how often you randomly added an unnecessary "S" to words in your awesome postings in this thread. Is that an intentional part of your shtick or just a dumb quirk?
Don't worry, life will find a way to teach you all the lessons that you'll need to learn. Don't take my words for it though.
It's called laziness, surely you can relate.Thanks Obi-Wan!
On another note, considering your user name, I got a giggle out of how often you randomly added an unnecessary "S" to words in your awesome postings in this thread. Is that an intentional part of your shtick or just a dumb quirk?
No, you first, be honest to yourself. I know you're capable of it.
He lost control of his car due to several factors, but the start of that chain reaction was the abrupt and unnecessary stopping that the original didn't anticipate.
You're telling me without the brake-check, the guy would have lost control on his own? What happens if the guy in front would just move over as soon as he's cleared of the car on the right without any abrupt actions? Wouldn't that be better for all? Instead of brake-check? Nah, can't be, gotta police the road. I weep for humanity, and Florida.
If you were driving that car in front, and you did the brake-check, and the guy went onto the other side of the road, have a head-on collision and someone died, you'd just drive on and in your mind saying "not my fault"... I get why you'd think that. But, you'll never do.
I don't see any impeding of traffic. The brake checker is passing vehicles properly and at a good pace. I can't imagine any jury or judge ruling that he was impeding traffic.
He was impeding a tailgater.
Can you demonstrably prove that the driver in front was in fact brake checking? Can you definitively prove that he was trying to cause an accident? Can you, with 100% certainty prove that the driver in front was not startled by a gust a wind, a wheel shudder, a siren on the radio, a dashboard warning light, a squirrel on the shoulder or one of the 1000 other reasons that make drivers use their brakes? When was the last time your car went careening off the road simply because another driver used his brakes? Ever? Even once? When was the last time another car crashed when you used your brakes because you saw a dog or child along the road and were worried that they might dart out? Ever? Even once? If the person in front of you braking for any reason whatsoever makes you lose control of your car, it's YOUR FAULT.
If you somehow equating that braking during normal driving is the same as brake-checking, then sorry, not wasting my time.I'm telling you that in the chain of culpability starts and ends with the person not in control of his own vehicle. Period. How could you possibly disagree with that? I saw brake lights hundreds of times today. At no point did my car leave the road. I braked for red lights, I braked for stop signs, I braked for school zones, I braked for curves and I braked when I looked down at the speedometer and saw it said 75. And you want to know how many accidents I caused by other drivers seeing my brake lights? ZERO. Ab-so-freaking-lutely NONE. Did your day go differently? How many times did you lose control of your own vehicle because you saw brake lights? Rough guesstimate, no need to count them all, lets go by the over/under. Was it more or less than one? How many accidents were caused by you using your brakes? Again, more than one or fewer than one? How is it possible for all those drivers to adjust to all those brake lights without losing control of their cars? How can a person driving responsibly be forced off the road by a person in front of them braking. Please explain, in detail, how you using your brakes in any way at all can make me crash if I'm driving at a safe speed for the conditions, with a reasonable gap between cars and am aware of my surroundings. Go ahead.
impeding a tailgater is impeding traffic. They wouldn't be tailgating if they weren't being impeded by the car in front of them.
Nope!
I'm saying brake-checkers are the worse kind of idiots than the tailgaters. That's what I've been saying. What are YOU saying?
Then you're better than me at putting S'es where they belong. Want a cookie?
I refer you to post #16 in this thread.
That said tailgaters are the worst because brake checkers are easily avoided, you just don't drive just behind them.
The problem with tail gating is that you have no idea if the guy you are doing it to is going to have to legitimately slam the brakes on.
That infers that I'd have to actually try, and when I do, there won't be many misplaced S'es. It's just not a viable cookies getting method.Hell yeah I want a cookie.
We should form some kind of team. You wander around, abrasively arguing about nothing for hours on end and I'll follow along on my bicycle interjecting the proper use of the letter S.
WTF Strawman?
Dude it's as simple as this.
They can ticket you for not wearing a seat belt, having a headlight out, expired tags, improper signaling, speeding, going too slow, etc. None of which will get you charged for brake checking or at fault for being rear ended.
Actually drunk drivers are the worst.
Both are passive-aggressive assholes, one tries to intimidate the person in front to get out of the way, the other retaliates because he/she felt threaten... If left to run its course, the action of one will most likely cause accidents. You decide.
Difference is that there might be a legitimate reason to slam the brakes on, there's never a legitimate reason to tailgate.
In theory that may be true, in reality that's reversed. I'm willing to wager that most of brake-checking incidents are never for legitimate reasons.
Wait, what does this have to do with me? Are you still confused or just retarded? Based on your responses, you must think this is about you as you seemed to have taken this personally.Nope. I've never deliberately brake checked anyone. I have had to slam the brakes on for many reasons.
And regardless of the reason for them they wouldn't cause a problem if the person behind wasn't driving dangerously.
So until you get the magical ability to see into the future it would be a good idea not to drive too close to the guy in front yes?
Nope. I've never deliberately brake checked anyone. I have had to slam the brakes on for many reasons.
And regardless of the reason for them they wouldn't cause a problem if the person behind wasn't driving dangerously.
So until you get the magical ability to see into the future it would be a good idea not to drive too close to the guy in front yes?
Wait, what does this have to do with me?
I think its been covered but brake checking counts as assault...
I think its been covered but brake checking counts as assault...
It's still fucking stupid and lowers your chance of getting home alive.It has not been covered. It is not true and you can pretend it is and state it as pretend fact but, I'm still waiting!!! One court case. Please. Anyone.
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PS you won't find one.
It's still fucking stupid and lowers your chance of getting home alive.
It's obvious you didn't read anything I wrote. I don't tailgate or brake check, I used to long ago. In my daily life, I find the left lane hoggers and brake checkers are more annoying and dangerous. And if I want to pass you, you won't have a chance to be a dick about it.You say that you don't brake check or tailgate?
Then tailgaters are a much bigger risk to your safety than brake checkers. That's what you were arguing against isn't it?
You disagree that slamming your brakes on at high speed when there's a car dangerously close behind you isn't a risky thing to do?I actually disagree. A brake check is telling them to get off your ass. If they respond and get off your ass you have a much better chance of getting home alive.