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TechBoyJK

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No, the statute does not literally say what you claim. You've made stuff up and used shitty logic this entire thread, and continue to do so.

You're are an idiot. End of story.

The Illinois State Police and several traffic attorneys in the state that I've talked to about it say otherwise.

If you're in the left lane, and someone behind you wants to go faster, you must move over as soon as you can safely do so. Once they pass, you can get back into the left lane and continue to pass other cars.
 

Schmide

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The Illinois State Police and several traffic attorneys in the state that I've talked to about it say otherwise.

If you're in the left lane, and someone behind you wants to go faster, you must move over as soon as you can safely do so. Once they pass, you can get back into the left lane and continue to pass other cars.

This is the first proper statement you have made. Everything before it is garbage.
 

TechBoyJK

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It is absolutely the case in IL. PS my family is from Decatur.

You're saying what the Illinois State Police and several Illinois traffic attorneys have told me is wrong.

Can you understand why I take issue with that? My primary attorney (whom has gotten me out of about 10 tickets so far) has told people multiple times on facebook exactly what the State Police spokesperson said. If you're in the left lane and someone wants to pass you, you must cede the lane to them ASAP. This doesn't mean casually pass some cars and miss opportunities to move over. It means as soon as you can safely get over, do it immediately.

I do it all the time because I speed. I'll be doing 70ish in a 65mph. Then someone comes up behind me. I move over immediately, let them pass, then get back into the left lane and continue to pass cars myself.

Sitting in the left lane, even if you're passing cars, while someone is behind you, is just as rude as sitting at a stop sign while doing your make up and holding up traffic.
 
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Schmide

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I really think you just misunderstood what Illinois State Police and several Illinois traffic attorneys said.

On an open road with very little traffic all cars should travel in the right lane. Until they come upon traffic within that lane, then they should then pass using the left lane.

When there is more traffic it is much more nuanced. But there is no rule that if you wish to pass faster than the car in front of you they must stop passing.

Edit: PS I don't get tickets. I'm too smart.
 
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TechBoyJK

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I really think you just misunderstood what Illinois State Police and several Illinois traffic attorneys said.

On an open road with very little traffic all cars should travel in the right lane. Until they come upon traffic within that lane, then they should then pass using the left lane.

When there is more traffic it is much more nuanced. But there is no rule that if you wish to pass faster than the car in front of you they must stop passing.

Edit: PS I don't get tickets. I'm too smart.

I didn't misunderstand. I've already asked for clarification of this in the past and received the same clarification from multiple traffic attorneys.

"The bottom line is that you can drive in the left lane all day long until somebody wants to pass you. Then you have to move over," Millner said.

"then you have to move over"

That means get out of the way of faster traffic. Regardless of what you're doing.
 

Schmide

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"then you have to move over"

That means get out of the way of faster traffic. Regardless of what you're doing.

Millner is wrong then. I don't care if he's the pope. You do not have to get out of the way of faster traffic as long as you are faster traffic than the cars to your right. Once there are no cars on your right, you are no longer faster traffic and should cede the right of way to the cars behind you.

Go call the dude and quote me. He will agree with me.
 

purbeast0

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i was driving home today and i was in the left lane on a 55mph, going like 60-65 when i came up on someone. i stayed behind them (safe distance) for about 5 seconds and since they didn't get over or speed up, i then went to pass them. this was a 2 lane road at this point that was pretty empty.

as soon as i go to pass them, they sped up. i sped up to like 80 to pass them and keep on my way, and this person sped up to probably 75 or so as i wasn't passing them very fast, but was going faster than them.

and it wasn't like they were going below the speed limit and decided to speed back up to the speed limit, they were already going over the speed limit when i came upon them.

WHY THE FUCK DO PEOPLE GET SO MAD WHEN YOU PASS THEM???
 

BoberFett

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The Illinois State Police and several traffic attorneys in the state that I've talked to about it say otherwise.

If you're in the left lane, and someone behind you wants to go faster, you must move over as soon as you can safely do so. Once they pass, you can get back into the left lane and continue to pass other cars.

Oh, so completely unlike the video this this thread was discussing.
 

SSSnail

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i was driving home today and i was in the left lane on a 55mph, going like 60-65 when i came up on someone. i stayed behind them (safe distance) for about 5 seconds and since they didn't get over or speed up, i then went to pass them. this was a 2 lane road at this point that was pretty empty.

as soon as i go to pass them, they sped up. i sped up to like 80 to pass them and keep on my way, and this person sped up to probably 75 or so as i wasn't passing them very fast, but was going faster than them.

and it wasn't like they were going below the speed limit and decided to speed back up to the speed limit, they were already going over the speed limit when i came upon them.

WHY THE FUCK DO PEOPLE GET SO MAD WHEN YOU PASS THEM???
That's the general mentality of left lane hoggers which I've already mentioned, along with their other flaws as human beings, make them shitty companies, anywhere. Don't have to look any further than their shitty logic in this thread to see that. They'll cite "law" and "speed limits" all day to make their case, all the while forgetting about just being a decent human with courtesy and good manners.
 

BoberFett

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That's the general mentality of left lane hoggers which I've already mentioned, along with their other flaws as human beings, make them shitty companies, anywhere. Don't have to look any further than their shitty logic in this thread to see that. They'll cite "law" and "speed limits" all day to make their case, all the while forgetting about just being a decent human with courtesy and good manners.

... said the tailgating asshole.
 

Darwin333

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That is so not the case. How are you to know what the person behind you wants?

Because up until the point that they reached your ass blocking their way they were traveling faster then you? That's how I usually know.

For the record, I speed my everliving ass off, I might be doing 85 in the left lane but if someone is coming up behind me I move the fuck over even if that means I'll have to slow down. Not only is it the courteous thing to do it is the absolute safest thing to do. I really don't want to get into, or cause, an accident at interstate speeds just to prove that I'm right or he was an asshole or he shouldn't have been speeding or any other bullshit excuse you can come up with.

The vehicle in the OP came really damn close to crossing into oncoming traffic and causing a huge collision with un-involved motorists. All because some other asshole didn't want to get the fuck out of the way and decided to be a gigantic asshole and brake check (assuming he did brake check the guy) on the freaking interstate. Who cares who is "right" when you are literally dealing with life and death situations, the "right" thing to do is always the safest and that is getting the hell out of the way of the aggressive drivers. The absolute least safe thing you can do is to intentionally brake check someone who is right on your ass. Damn lucky that there weren't casualties because someone wanted to be "right" or make a point.

Don't get me wrong, the tailgater is completely in the wrong but that doesn't change what your actions should be one bit. It's like someone showing off a gun and pointing it into a crowd and some other asshole yelling BANG to scare the first asshole and causing him to accidentally pull the trigger. Woohoo, you proved your point and some innocent person is dead because of it, are you really happy now?
 

Darwin333

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Millner is wrong then. I don't care if he's the pope. You do not have to get out of the way of faster traffic as long as you are faster traffic than the cars to your right. Once there are no cars on your right, you are no longer faster traffic and should cede the right of way to the cars behind you.

Go call the dude and quote me. He will agree with me.

There shouldn't need to be a law to require this. People should do this automatically not only to be decent people but for their safety and the safety of the other motorists. It doesn't matter that you don't think that you are causing the unsafe condition the fact is that an unsafe condition now exists and you have the ability to rectify said unsafe condition. Is that really so hard to comprehend?

It's like when you see a seriously drunk driver weaving all over the place. You don't go driving right next to him because it's perfectly legal and your right to do so. The bastard might hit you so you either stay behind or in front of him at a safe distance.
 

ElFenix

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Darwin333 said:
All because some other asshole didn't want to get the fuck out of the way

Dude shouldn't be getting over in the particular situation in the OP because there was a car merging into the highway at that point.
 

Darwin333

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Dude shouldn't be getting over in the particular situation in the OP because there was a car merging into the highway at that point.

Agreed. I was replying to the people that think they can go 1mph faster than the traffic on the right and stay in the left and hold people up while there are ample opportunities to allow them to pass.

I honestly can't tell if he brake checked the guy or not but if he did he should be keelhauled.
 

ElFenix

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Agreed. I was replying to the people that think they can go 1mph faster than the traffic on the right and stay in the left and hold people up while there are ample opportunities to allow them to pass.

I honestly can't tell if he brake checked the guy or not but if he did he should be keelhauled.
Ah OK.

Imho, if you can't commit to passing people to the right by at least 5 mph, you shouldn't be in the left lane.
 

DrPizza

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Yes, you do.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...04_1_new-illinois-law-construction-zones-lane

First of all, I may very well be wrong about the 1/4 mile rule. It's been about 5 years since i looked into it, and was provided by a lawyer language from the state that said a 'safe pass' is one that can be made within a 1/4 mile. I vividly recall seeing the statute at that time; but for the life of me I can't find it now or back it up. The idea of 'you can only be in the passing lane for a 1/4 mile" comes from the law that says you can't be inthe left lane except to make a pass, and you can't make a pass unless it's safe. And it's not safe unless you can make it within 1/4 mile.

So I'll own that one because I can't back it up. Got me there.

However, in regards to what you quoted, the law, including the links I provided, very clearly say.

1) You can't be in the left lane unless you're passing traffic.
2) You have to move over if someone wants to pass you.



This means if you're doing 70mph and passing some cars, and I'm doing 80mph, you need to move over for me and let me pass you. Nothing more, nothing less. Get out of the left lane if someone wants to pass you. Let them pass, then get back into the left lane and continue passing the other cars.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=062500050K11-701

(625 ILCS 5/11-701) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-701)



The statue literally says you can be in the left lane only to pass vehicles and but NOT if there's a vehicle directly behind you when you're in the left lane. It clearly says if you're in the left lane and someone is behind you, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE THERE ANY LONGER.
The quarter mile rule applies to 2 lane roads. Apparently, you don't understand the laws in your own state if you don't understand that one either.

The Illinois State Police and several traffic attorneys in the state that I've talked to about it say otherwise.

If you're in the left lane, and someone behind you wants to go faster, you must move over as soon as you can safely do so. Once they pass, you can get back into the left lane and continue to pass other cars.
You wouldn't need traffic attorneys if you weren't a problem driver.

Car A has every right to remain in the left lane while passing cars. If they wish to do so at 56mph. That is totally within the law. As long as they are traveling faster that the traffic in the right lane.

It is not rocket science.

PS this is not how I drive. I drive relatively fast. This is just an example for you to understand.
Actually, he's right in your example. If you read the statutes in their entirety and don't just cherry pick certain sentences, you have to move over if you're impeding traffic, which appears to be defined as going slower than the normal flow of traffic. So, if traffic in the left lane is going 75, traffic in the right lane is going 65, then you're fine if you're actively passing cars while going 75. If you're going 66, get out of the way. If someone (Mr. lots of tickets) wants to go 90, they're shit out of luck.

I think it's pretty easy to understand why a Trooper would phrase it the way he did - too many people think 56, passing someone going 55 is okay, and most people aren't bright enough to understand the nuances.
 
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glenn1

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You're saying what the Illinois State Police and several Illinois traffic attorneys have told me is wrong.

Can you understand why I take issue with that? My primary attorney (whom has gotten me out of about 10 tickets so far) has told people multiple times on facebook exactly what the State Police spokesperson said. If you're in the left lane and someone wants to pass you, you must cede the lane to them ASAP. This doesn't mean casually pass some cars and miss opportunities to move over. It means as soon as you can safely get over, do it immediately.

I do it all the time because I speed. I'll be doing 70ish in a 65mph. Then someone comes up behind me. I move over immediately, let them pass, then get back into the left lane and continue to pass cars myself.

Sitting in the left lane, even if you're passing cars, while someone is behind you, is just as rude as sitting at a stop sign while doing your make up and holding up traffic.

Most statutes use a "reasonable man" standard to determine proper actions in unclear situations. If you have a dedicated traffic attorney who has gotten you out of 10 of the many more tickets you have received, you are the exact opposite of the reasonable man whose opinion might actually carry weight. Indeed your very unreasonableness means we should disregard everything you say unless very strong evidence shows otherwise.
 

TechBoyJK

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Most statutes use a "reasonable man" standard to determine proper actions in unclear situations. If you have a dedicated traffic attorney who has gotten you out of 10 of the many more tickets you have received, you are the exact opposite of the reasonable man whose opinion might actually carry weight. Indeed your very unreasonableness means we should disregard everything you say unless very strong evidence shows otherwise.

We're talking about 5-10mph over speeding tickets over the course of 15 years. I speed. Sometimes I get caught. Never had a dui, never had anything more than a basic speeding ticket. I recently just got a ticket in Florida on vacation. 72 in a 65. I've never caused an accident either.

My only problem is I tend to drive fast. And since I tend to drive fast, I'm thoughtful about the left lane. If that's unreasonable to you, so be it.
 
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TechBoyJK

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The quarter mile rule applies to 2 lane roads. Apparently, you don't understand the laws in your own state if you don't understand that one either.

You wouldn't need traffic attorneys if you weren't a problem driver.

Yep, I like to speed. No other tickets in my life though besides speeding.

About the 2 lane thing... See, that's what's killing me. I asked that same thing years ago (about passing distance and w/e not it was different on 2 lane roads) and I was told since Illinois determined the left lane was for passing only, the same passing rules applied as they did to 2 lane roads. Basically, you were supposed to treat getting into the left lane the same as you would going into the oncoming lane on a 2way highway. if you're going to make a pass, you have to do it quickly. Get in the left lane, pass asap, and gtfo back over.

Like I said.. I can't find shit now to back any of this up, so it's a non-issue anymore to me.
 
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cbrunny

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Most statutes use a "reasonable man" standard to determine proper actions in unclear situations. If you have a dedicated traffic attorney who has gotten you out of 10 of the many more tickets you have received, you are the exact opposite of the reasonable man whose opinion might actually carry weight. Indeed your very unreasonableness means we should disregard everything you say unless very strong evidence shows otherwise.

lol pretty much this. actually it explains a lot.

Never take driving advice from someone who has a shitload of tickets.
 
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