tailgater gets owned

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Matthiasa

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@TechBoyJK that's all great and could cause you to get a ticket.

None of which would have you charged for a brake check or lead car cause of a rear end collision.

You are arguing two disjointed points that have nothing to do with each other.

Where do you live that they ticket for 5 over?
 

SSSnail

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Nov 29, 2006
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Rather than quoting and answering all of you passive-aggressive, self-righteous with a mild case of unaware psychosis types in this thread, I'm going to address you all at once. Whatever you do after reading this is up to you, but if I can change one person's mind, then my job here is done. And it will be for the betterment of mankind. . Now, I know some of you have ADD, so I will attempt to bold the points that I think you should pay attention to, deal?

Let's examine the tailgater, let's assume that the guy/gal is a selfish asshole, a speed demon and just wants to exercise his/her car's ability to exceed the speed limit. Right? OK, if there was no one in the left lane, that person would be gone in a second, you wouldn't even remember the car's color after a few seconds. Maybe they'll lose control and end up in a ditch, maybe they'll clip someone and cause an accident. Most importantly, whatever may happen, they are unintended consequences, do we agree? And, hopefully, the police will stop that person before something really bad happens.

Now, let's ignore the fact that maybe some of these people do really have somewhere to get to, maybe it's an emergency for them. But, fuck them, right? It's all about you. All you care about is that person who coming up behind you fast, and you coudln't bother to get out of the way, and they're not passing you. Are we good with that? OK, let's move on to you.

You're a different kind of selfish asshole, you're the passive agressive kind. You always think that you have something to prove, and that you think by letting anyone by you, you've lost something. Maybe it's "respect", maybe you're angry because your own hypocritical way of thinking, because let's face it, some of you will speed up to block the guy if he tried to pass you on the right. Now, you would intentionally and through premeditation, perform an act that could potentially cause a chain accident, maybe even result in a loss of lives. Think about it, you're willing to take a life, by your direct action. Premeditated. Intentionally. Because you couldn't just move out of the way, because your ego won't let you, and because you think it's your duty to police the road. Your own superiority complex got in the way of good judgment. You don't see it that it's you who would have caused the accident. Without you, nothing would have happened in this scenario.

I was like you once, I was young, and stupid. I'm less stupid now, and that's all due to self reflections. I looked back at myself and saw how horrible of a person I was. I grew out of it. I grew up. I realized that to make this world a better place, it starts with me. I stopped caring about the idiots on the road, it's not my place to correct them, and I believe eventually, karma will take care of them. It's life. There isn't a day go by that I don't run into multiple idiots on the road, but at the end of the day, they're still going to be idiots, and I couldn't care less. I don't want to ever be associated with any of those idiots in any ways.

Hey, another thought, maybe that person that you're going to brake check on one of these days, well, maybe that person doesn't really care about anything anymore. Maybe they'll just run into you, perform a pit maneuver, turn your ass sideway so you can roll down the freeway at the speed you're going. Maybe then you'll be happy. Or, just maybe, they have a gun, and they're even bigger assholes than you thought you are... Maybe they'll follow you home, because you know, if you think you're crazy and stupid, there will be crazier and stupider people (maybe not...).


Cheers,
Your friendly neighborhood SSSnail

P.S. seek professional help if you can't self-reflect.
 

WelshBloke

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Let's examine the tailgater, let's assume that the guy/gal is a selfish asshole, a speed demon and just wants to exercise his/her car's ability to exceed the speed limit. Right? OK, if there was no one in the left lane, that person would be gone in a second, you wouldn't even remember the car's color after a few seconds. Maybe they'll lose control and end up in a ditch, maybe they'll clip someone and cause an accident. Most importantly, whatever may happen, they are unintended consequences, do we agree? And, hopefully, the police will stop that person before something really bad happens..

And what happens if he gets right up your arse as you are overtaking and something happens whereby you have to brake suddenly?

Tailgating is bad. Don't do it.
 

SSSnail

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And what happens if he gets right up your arse as you are overtaking and something happens whereby you have to brake suddenly?

Tailgating is bad. Don't do it.

That's called driving, I know, it happens, on the road.

Intentionally causing accident(s) is not driving. It makes you a fucking moron if you try to argue otherwise.
 

WelshBloke

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That's called driving, I know, it happens, on the road.

Intentionally causing accident(s) is not driving. It makes you a fucking moron if you try to argue otherwise.

Tailgating is intentionally causing an accident.

It's deliberately driving in an unsafe manner.
 

SSSnail

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Tailgating is intentionally causing an accident.

It's deliberately driving in an unsafe manner.

Most likely, if you're any kind of aware when you're driving, you would have seen the person in the fast lane coming up behind you long before he got to you. But for all that's wrong with you, you won't move over.

But, prime example of what I'm talking about, you're never going to admit that you're in the wrong. Because all of the things I said that you are. Usually the crazies don't know they're crazies.

I even said both the tailgaters and brake-checkers are idiots. It's just that the brake-checkers are inherently MORE dangerous, because of their unpredictable and unstable personalities.

Self-reflection son, get some.
 

Humpy

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LOL

I thought this would be a one page thread but I'm glad I was wrong. The massive text walls of rage and far flung opinions about a random car crash are entertaining.
 

TechBoyJK

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Tailgating is intentionally causing an accident.

It's deliberately driving in an unsafe manner.

You know what's even more deliberately unsafe?

Brake Checking someone who's tailgaiting you.

You're taking a situation which is already unsafe, and making it even more unsafe. If you intentionally break check someone and cause an accident that's borderline assault.
 

SSSnail

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+1

But somehow it appears he will continue to argue about it.

Just for entertainment's sake, what am I arguing about? That both offender types are idiots? Both are unsafe? Both have consequences? But one is unintended vs. deliberate?

Enlighten me.
 

WelshBloke

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Self-reflection son, get some.

Try getting some logic.

I'm never going to get dinged by someone brake checking because I don't drive up peoples arses in fast moving traffic.

I can't avoid people driving up my arse and I'm not in complete control over when I'll need to brake.

So for me, someone who is following the rules of the road, tailgating is way more dangerous.
 

Schmide

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Where do you live that they ticket for 5 over?

WTF Strawman?

Dude it's as simple as this.

They can ticket you for not wearing a seat belt, having a headlight out, expired tags, improper signaling, speeding, going too slow, etc. None of which will get you charged for brake checking or at fault for being rear ended.
 

MongGrel

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You know what's even more deliberately unsafe?

Brake Checking someone who's tailgaiting you.

You're taking a situation which is already unsafe, and making it even more unsafe. If you intentionally break check someone and cause an accident that's borderline assault.

I would agree, if they are just blocking the left lane.

However, the law will not go in favor of the tailgater in the case of an accident, for all the reasons WelshBloke stated.

I even have chewed out the wife here and there in the past when she drove like that blocking the left lane, I think I have broken her of the habit.
 
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ImpulsE69

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Try getting some logic.

I'm never going to get dinged by someone brake checking because I don't drive up peoples arses in fast moving traffic.

I can't avoid people driving up my arse and I'm not in complete control over when I'll need to brake.

So for me, someone who is following the rules of the road, tailgating is way more dangerous.

Well, that's certainly a self centered narrow minded micro world approach to the topic, but I've come to expect that around here.
 

Schmide

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You know what's even more deliberately unsafe?

Brake Checking someone who's tailgaiting you.

You're taking a situation which is already unsafe, and making it even more unsafe. If you intentionally break check someone and cause an accident that's borderline assault.

Not even close. Many people are taught if you do not believe you are able to speed up to change lanes you can brake and change lanes.

I'm still waiting on an example of someone being charged for such a proper use of a vehicle.

Logically it is akin to telling someone to get out of your face when too close. If they freak out when it happens it is their fault.
 

TechBoyJK

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I would agree, if they are just blocking the left lane.

However, the law will not go in favor of the tailgater in the case of an accident, for all the reasons WelshBloke stated.

I even have chewed out the wife here and there in the past when she drove like that blocking the left lane, I think I have broken her of the habit.

I actually think the guy tailgating was being an asshole, and I agree with everyone here who gets a little angry with tailgaters.

However, once you start brake checking someone, you went from just minding your own business and being a doofus camping in the left lane, to some who is passive aggressively making a situation remarkably worse. It's the opposite of 'avoiding an accident'. To me it's no different than seeing someone about to run a stop sign and saying 'I'll just pull out into the intersection so they HAVE to stop and that will teach them a lesson because they'll be so scared they almost tboned someone!' Sure.. you might teach them a lesson, but you might also help guarantee their death and/or your own injury.
 

TechBoyJK

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Not even close. Many people are taught if you do not believe you are able to speed up to change lanes you can brake and change lanes.

I'm still waiting on an example of someone being charged for such a proper use of a vehicle.

Logically it is akin to telling someone to get out of your face when too close. If they freak out when it happens it is their fault.

No, it's not 'logically akin to telling someone to get our of your face when too close'. Not even close.

Brake checking someone who is tailgating you is making an unsafe situation remarkably worse. It's the opposite of avoiding an accident. It's inviting one.
 

drebo

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It is in the US, and the tailgater was ticketed for following too closely.

As he should have been.

However, the asshole that brake-checked should ALSO have been ticketed for reckless driving (impeding traffic and brake checking).
 

Schmide

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No, it's not 'logically akin to telling someone to get our of your face when too close'. Not even close.

Brake checking someone who is tailgating you is making an unsafe situation remarkably worse. It's the opposite of avoiding an accident. It's inviting one.

How is it not close. It is a benign signal that you are intending to slow down. (which is my right by law and logic) If you are invading my space I have every right to signal a response. If you freak out, that's on you. If I beat the shit out of you, that's a different story. A brake check is not like a punch, it's like saying get the fuck away from me.
 

TechBoyJK

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How is it not close. It is a benign signal that you are intending to slow down. (which is my right by law and logic) If you are invading my space I have every right to signal a response. If you freak out, that's on you. If I beat the shit out of you, that's a different story. A brake check is not like a punch, it's like saying get the fuck away from me.

brake checking someone on the interstate whom is already too close to you while going 65-70mph is not a 'benign' signal. It's an unsafe reaction that could cause death and injury.

Yea, swinging an axe around in a house full of people is a 'benign signal' that everyone should leave.
 
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