Taiwan wants Google to apologize...

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Google's ambitious global mapping effort may push the edges of geography, but the Internet giant is learning that new maps can't escape old politics.

Taiwan is demanding that the search engine change its recently launched Google Maps, which currently displays the name ``Taiwan, Province of China'' next to a map of the island. An apology wouldn't hurt either, Taiwan's vice president told reporters Thursday. The map name is quickly raising anger throughout Taiwan, a technology powerhouse with close ties to Silicon Valley.

A Google spokeswoman says the company is reviewing the issue. The controversial name appears only on Google Maps, not other Google features, and appears because of outside data chosen to help build the map service, said company spokeswoman Debbie Frost.

By listing Taiwan as it did on Google Maps, the company has found itself in the middle of one of Asia's trickiest political problems.

Taiwan, also known as the Republic of China, separated from China in 1949 after a long civil war. The island has since been self-governed, and in the last two decades has evolved into a stable democracy with one of Asia's strongest economies.

China, however, regards Taiwan as a renegade province and says the island is part of China. It has threatened to reclaim the island by military force if it officially declares its independence. China has also pushed the international community to recognize its claims.

That stance has largely worked -- but also has its limits. Twenty-six countries still have formal diplomatic relations with Taiwan, but the island has no seat at the United Nations. Most countries, including the United States, do not have formal relations with Taiwan but maintain close ties and urge both sides to find a peaceful solution to the stalemate.

The result is a sort of uneasy limbo for Taiwan, a balance delicate enough to be threatened by the name on an Internet map.

Google's ``information about Taiwan is totally wrong,'' said David Lu, spokesman for the Taipei Economic and Cultural Office in San Francisco. ``We have our sovereignty, our own territory, and 23 million people.''

The dispute goes beyond names, potentially confusing Web users who need practical information, Lu said. Someone planning to travel to Taiwan, for example, might see the map and then head to the wrong diplomatic office to apply for a visa.

``Where will they think they should go?'' Lu said. ``They come to our offices in the United States, not any consul general office of China. This is all incorrect.''

Many other maps and Web sites reflect Taiwan's delicate balancing act. The U.S. State Department's online information on Taiwan gives the island its own separate country page, while stating the U.S. position vis-a-vis both Taiwan and China. Some other online maps simply list the island as ``Taiwan'' without wading into issues of political domain.

In building Google Maps, Google relied on data from ``internationally authoritative sources,'' Frost said. While it reviews Taiwan's complaints, the company will also take a closer look at its overall map naming.

``We will be taking this opportunity to more broadly review our user interfaces and policies when it comes to labeling maps,'' Frost said.

China often pressures companies doing business there to follow its political directives, and Google plans to open a research center in China. While some groups in Taiwan have accused Google of trying to curry favor with officials in Beijing, Lu said he considered the map naming to be an error, not a deliberate decision to take sides.

``I tend to believe this is an oversight by Google,'' he said, adding that Taiwan officials based in the Bay Area have asked Google for a meeting.

Frost said the company is working to address the issue quickly. ``We have just received their letter which we are reviewing, and look forward to understanding their concerns,'' she said.

Cliffs:
1. In 1949, Taiwan separated from China following a long civil war.
2. China is unwilling to give up the island, still considering it part of the country and classifying it as a renegade province.
3. Taiwan is displayed on Google Maps as: "Taiwan, Province of China", which the country is demanding to have changed.
4. Taiwan seeks apology from Google Inc. in regards to the company's new mapping service.
5. Google said it would review the issue.
6. ???
7. Profit
 

EKKC

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i know chill.
damn.

as far as the United States is concerned there's still only one China. google is an american company.
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: veloc1ty
tell them to chill.

Being from Taiwanese decent, and knowing that China regularly send missile over the island just to make a point, I would figure most Taiwanese don't want to chill on this matter. Assasination attempt was made on the last President. Rumor had it it was instigated by a group supported by China. Just to let you know. This is a touchy subject to make snide remarks about when Taiwanese are around.

I would say though, it was in Googles best interest to do that since China is a bigger market now, but it is sad that Taiwan is being bullied around still. Chang Kai-Shek definitely deserved an ass whooping for not accepting the Taiwan as being a seperate nation back in the day. It would have been much easier than now. Especially since China's military will rival the U.S.'s in 5 years.
 

EKKC

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If China wanted to assassinate the Taiwan president, he'd be dead by now. China can so do a "shock-n-awe" on that little island if they wanted before the Americans can even deploy (if they deploy).

I'm from HK. I don't know why Taiwan causes such a big stink about independence when they are allowed to have their own government (albeit unrecognized), the bigger stink you make about this, the more pissed off China will be and the risk of an all-out war will be greater. and like you said China's military will rival the Americans within a decade so you don't want to piss off this sleeping giant. Everyone should just STFU and just go about their lives like the way it is now.
 

hjo3

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I've been hearing a lot of bad stuff about this "China" place. Sounds like it needs a regime change.
 

maddogchen

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Originally posted by: EKKC
i know chill.
damn.

as far as the United States is concerned there's still only one China. google is an american company.

Google is an American company that regularly bends over and spreads its ass waiting for China to rip it a new hole.

It frequently excludes links to publications that the Chinese government finds objectionable. Just like another American company Microsoft who sends an error message to users in China who uses its search engine to search for words such as democracy, freedom, human rights, demonstration, and others. Or even Yahoo another American company who provided the email information of a pro-democracy Chinese advocate leading to his arrest and imprisonment.
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: EKKC
If China wanted to assassinate the Taiwan president, he'd be dead by now. China can so do a "shock-n-awe" on that little island if they wanted before the Americans can even deploy (if they deploy).

I'm from HK. I don't know why Taiwan causes such a big stink about independence when they are allowed to have their own government (albeit unrecognized), the bigger stink you make about this, the more pissed off China will be and the risk of an all-out war will be greater. and like you said China's military will rival the Americans within a decade so you don't want to piss off this sleeping giant. Everyone should just STFU and just go about their lives like the way it is now.

China needs to do it covertly, they had to do it through a rogue political group in Taiwan. The president was shot (big supporter of independance), but survived. Was in critical care for a while.

It is pretty scary how brainwashed people are though to world news because stuff gets censored all the time in China now. They just hear how the government spins it. Not the the U.S. is too much different, but there is more freedom in information.
 

Skunkwourk

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Yeah Taiwan is making this a bigger deal that it has to be...

As for the Independence thing though, I think China should just let Taiwain be. Its been a roughly 50 years since Taiwan separated itself and during that time Taiwan made something of itself. Seems unfair for China to just reclaim Taiwan because it wants to. Imagine moving out of your dead beat dictator parents home, establishing yoruself, becoming independent, life is good, and then your parents show up again order you to share your profits.
 

Martin

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Taiwan should STFU..until it becomes an internationally recognized soveriegn contry.
 

Pepsei

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China can suck it...

however, if google says that it is a province of republic of china, then it would be okay.
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: Eghck
Yeah Taiwan is making this a bigger deal that it has to be...

As for the Independence thing though, I think China should just let Taiwain be. Its been a roughly 50 years since Taiwan separated itself and during that time Taiwan made something of itself. Seems unfair for China to just reclaim Taiwan because it wants to. Imagine moving out of your dead beat dictator parents home, establishing yoruself, becoming independent, life is good, and then your parents show up again order you to share your profits.

QFT on both points.
 

GeneValgene

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i jsut checked google maps...

it shows 'Taiwan'??

The dispute goes beyond names, potentially confusing Web users who need practical information, Lu said. Someone planning to travel to Taiwan, for example, might see the map and then head to the wrong diplomatic office to apply for a visa.

hahaha...i never thought about it that way
 

dainthomas

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Originally posted by: Martin
Taiwan should STFU..until it becomes an internationally recognized soveriegn contry.

It is. It's not their fault the US is too candy-ass to piss off the Chinese communists.

Oh, and wouldn't this thread be P&N?
 

Rubycon

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Apologize?

That is outrageous.

Hopefully the request gets routed right do /dev/null
 

Einz

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Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: Martin
Taiwan should STFU..until it becomes an internationally recognized soveriegn contry.

It is. It's not their fault the US is too candy-ass to piss off the Chinese communists.

Oh, and wouldn't this thread be P&N?


Wtfark are you smoking? Seriously, it's not that the US is too "candy-ass" as you so eloquently put, it's simply a matter of the US not getting involved in another foreign problem that it shouldn't be. The only reason that the US even considers being on Taiwan's side is all of the FDI that went into there back in the day. In a couple of years, things will change, and we will see how "candy-ass" the US is.
 
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