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CrackRabbit

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: PJABBER
So he now joins the ranks of Michele Bachmann, Joe the Plumber, Sarah Palin, Jackie Robinson and Clara Barton in the struggle for freedom. Like them, he will not find it easy.
He joins the ranks of huge douche bag partisan windbags? Oh gee, that sounds great!

"Struggle for freedom..." LOL! You realize we already HAVE freedom, right? :laugh:

Jackie Robinson was a baseball player, Clara Barton founded the Red Cross, and Joe the Plumber is a... plumber?

Elected in 2006, Congresswoman Michele Bachmann is the first Republican woman to be elected to the U.S. House of Representatives from Minnesota. Bachmann and her husband, Marcus, live in Stillwater where they own a small business mental health care practice that employs 42 people. The Bachmanns have five children, Lucas, Harrison, Elisa, Caroline, and Sophia. In addition, the Bachmanns have opened their home to 23 foster children, which has inspired Congresswoman Bachmann to become one of Congress? leading advocates for foster and adopted children.

I think you know Sarah Palin. More from her yet to come.

Check out the threads throughout this forum and see if you can count how many lefty posters inevitably demand that those who post opinions contrary to the radical lefty line be banned.

Freedom has to be won each day. It is only the price that changes.


You seemed to of forgotten the part where Michele Bachmann is certifiably insane.

As for the article in the OP, more power to the guy for attempting to run for office.
But he will never win.
The reason, as Corn pointed out, he is intellectually bankrupt (much like you PJABBER).

The more of these people that fracture off and form some super minority party the better.
Let the Center Right take over what is left of the Republican party and stuff the super-conservative wingnuts into the corner where they belong.
 

TheSkinsFan

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
T: At 27 I was hired as controller of the organizing committee for the 1980 Winter Olympics in Lake Placid. Three years later I bought the accounting firm that employed my mother. Now I have six offices spread across the northern reaches of New York and a dozen other small businesses in the Adirondacks that employ my wife, children and hopefully someday, my grandchildren. I am living the American Dream.

M: I'm a fucking hard working dude man. I'm a real achiever. Of course I embezzled a lot of money to do it and cheated on my partners to do it but you know how it goes.
Do you have anything at all to back that up?

Are you kidding? My whole point is that we have no idea if what I said isn't true. We are being told how wonderful somebody is at business without the slightest evidence as to how or why he is successful. I am being asked to swallow some shallow statement about some joker running for office self proclaiming his business acumen. Like I said, there isn't a single piece of information provided in his screed that has any substance.
When in doubt, because he is a conservative and wealthy, you immediately jump to accusations of embezzlement, fraud, and corruption?

That's mighty white of ya.

You ask me if I have anything to back that up, but you should have been asking yourself where his back up is.
I'm not into proving negatives. You show me something that says he is corrupt or a criminal, and I'll stop giving him the same benefit of the doubt I give ALL people until it's demonstrated otherwise.

The guy might be a great guy. He might make a good politician, but nothing in his words means anything. It was all buzz word emotional appeal that stunk to high heavens.
I don't care what his words were, it was still fucking ridiculous for you to throw around criminal allegations based on nothing other than your own contempt for conservatives.

"Enlightened" my ass. You're a fucking bigot.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
So he now joins the ranks of Michele Bachmann, Joe the Plumber, Sarah Palin, Jackie Robinson and Clara Barton in the struggle for freedom. Like them, he will not find it easy.

Ha.

Bachmann and Palin are the ones whose ideology drives away conservative moderates, and just about everyone else with a brain. They are the epitome of the Republican party hijackers. "Take back the Party" is damn right. Intelligent, thoughtful, knowledgeable conservatives need to get the whackos out of power. And they're working on it. thenextright.com and newmajority.com are good examples. Good luck to em. For what's wrong with the party see redstate.com
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: PJABBER
So he now joins the ranks of Michele Bachmann, Joe the Plumber, Sarah Palin, Jackie Robinson and Clara Barton in the struggle for freedom. Like them, he will not find it easy.

Ha.

Bachmann and Palin are the ones whose ideology drives away conservative moderates, and just about everyone else with a brain. They are the epitome of the Republican party hijackers. "Take back the Party" is damn right. Intelligent, thoughtful, knowledgeable conservatives need to get the whackos out of power. And they're working on it. thenextright.com and newmajority.com are good examples. Good luck to em. For what's wrong with the party see redstate.com

A highly doubtful recommendation from an avowed Trotskyite.

In any case, I get my direction from Red State Update and Punk Rock Republican, Because There?s Nothing Punk Rock About Democrats.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: PJABBER
So he now joins the ranks of Michele Bachmann, Joe the Plumber, Sarah Palin, Jackie Robinson and Clara Barton in the struggle for freedom. Like them, he will not find it easy.

Ha.

Bachmann and Palin are the ones whose ideology drives away conservative moderates, and just about everyone else with a brain. They are the epitome of the Republican party hijackers. "Take back the Party" is damn right. Intelligent, thoughtful, knowledgeable conservatives need to get the whackos out of power. And they're working on it. thenextright.com and newmajority.com are good examples. Good luck to em. For what's wrong with the party see redstate.com

A highly doubtful recommendation from an avowed Trotskyite.

In any case, I get my direction from Red State Update and Punk Rock Republican, Because There?s Nothing Punk Rock About Democrats.

There are certainly democrats I'd consider unreasonable. That you don't see Bachmann as one of the Republican's walking/talking freakshow's isn't my delusion, it's yours. Joe the Plumber? Seriously? Christ.
 

BMW540I6speed

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: PJABBER
So he now joins the ranks of Michele Bachmann, Joe the Plumber, Sarah Palin, Jackie Robinson and Clara Barton in the struggle for freedom. Like them, he will not find it easy.

Ha.

Bachmann and Palin are the ones whose ideology drives away conservative moderates, and just about everyone else with a brain. They are the epitome of the Republican party hijackers. "Take back the Party" is damn right. Intelligent, thoughtful, knowledgeable conservatives need to get the whackos out of power. And they're working on it. thenextright.com and newmajority.com are good examples. Good luck to em. For what's wrong with the party see redstate.com

Sarah Palin is never going to hold another elective office. She might have a future as a ultra-right hood ornament, but she's a nobody who has nothing going for her besides identity politics.

Her "fanbase" don't love Palin because of anything she's done or any skills she might have, they love her because she's "one of them". She's the Al Sharpton for white people.

I guess the "news" in this is that so many Republicans broke ranks to endorse the Conservative Party candidate over the one from their own party. The question is...are these endorsers now "former" Republicans that want to splinter off to this "conservative" party?

If they are former Republicans, they didn't "break ranks" with their party to endorse the Conservative candidate. If they are former Republicans they did not fail to endorse the candidate from "their own party."Are they "former Republicans" because they no longer hold elective office? Are they still Republicans who broke ranks to endorse the candidate from another party?

I think the interesting story in this is not the election at all - it's the breakdown in Republican party discipline.

All the people who have endorsed this "conservative party candidate are CLEARLY associated with the Republican party. I don't think they want to leave - I think they want to complete a takeover that has been happening for some years. I think they are daring the more moderate Republicans to try to discipline them - they are looking for a showdown. I think the idea is to cast out the leadership that makes it possible for nominal moderates to get a Republican nomination. And it if costs a few seats in the House, it will be worth it to them, or so they think.

They'd rather be absolute rulers of a small unified party than players in a large coalition party. The fact that their rump party will never form a majority in their lifetimes doesn't concern them, because as we have seen from the history of Republican majorities, they aren't interested in passing "conservative" legislation. They are interested in being members of think tanks, appearing on TV, having books ghostwritten for them.

The whole K Street project wasn't about transforming the country in a conservative direction, it was about selling themselves to the highest bidder.

The 21st century modern conservative movement is all movement and no conservatism.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
T: At 27 I was hired as controller of the organizing committee for the 1980 Winter Olympics in Lake Placid. Three years later I bought the accounting firm that employed my mother. Now I have six offices spread across the northern reaches of New York and a dozen other small businesses in the Adirondacks that employ my wife, children and hopefully someday, my grandchildren. I am living the American Dream.

M: I'm a fucking hard working dude man. I'm a real achiever. Of course I embezzled a lot of money to do it and cheated on my partners to do it but you know how it goes.
Do you have anything at all to back that up?

Are you kidding? My whole point is that we have no idea if what I said isn't true. We are being told how wonderful somebody is at business without the slightest evidence as to how or why he is successful. I am being asked to swallow some shallow statement about some joker running for office self proclaiming his business acumen. Like I said, there isn't a single piece of information provided in his screed that has any substance.
When in doubt, because he is a conservative and wealthy, you immediately jump to accusations of embezzlement, fraud, and corruption?

That's mighty white of ya.

You ask me if I have anything to back that up, but you should have been asking yourself where his back up is.
I'm not into proving negatives. You show me something that says he is corrupt or a criminal, and I'll stop giving him the same benefit of the doubt I give ALL people until it's demonstrated otherwise.

The guy might be a great guy. He might make a good politician, but nothing in his words means anything. It was all buzz word emotional appeal that stunk to high heavens.
I don't care what his words were, it was still fucking ridiculous for you to throw around criminal allegations based on nothing other than your own contempt for conservatives.

"Enlightened" my ass. You're a fucking bigot.

In the normal course of events it would now be time for me to tell you that not only are you the fucking bigot, but that you are an idiot to boot. I would protest that I wasn't making criminal allegations at all, only showing that anyone who wanted to make any kind of claim whatsoever would be on an equal footing with this politician who is making just such unsubstantiated claims about himself, that I as a reader, in other words, have no more capacity to determine whether it is Moonbeam who is correct or the politician. I would further tell you that far from doing this out bigotry, which is actually a projection of your own bigotry onto me, in assuming that I like you, attack folk on the basis of partisanship, I actually was demonstrating to you how to think critically, to not take the unsubstantiated claims of politicians seriously. In fact, I would be just as comfortable doing this with any politician at all and that is because in my personal moral hierarchy, critical thinking and objectivity rank higher that partisanship.

But never mind all that. I am instead going to demonstrate to you one of the gifts of objective thinking and enlightenment, the capacity to leave ones petty ego aside, after being called a fucking bigot, and address the name caller, you in this case, with all the respect that I can:

Thank you, kind Sir, for calling me a bigot. I have looked into your nature and why you call me that and I see something very very good. You are a kind person who assumes right winged politicians are honest hard working people one of which was attacked by a mean old apple bonker like me. You have, like a knight in shining armor, come to his defense. I love you for that, Sir, that is a tremendously moral way to be. We differ, of course, in certain details. I didn't attack the man because he's on the right but only to show that his words are empty because I, myself, do not extend to politicians of any stripe automatic credibility. You are a believer, one I would call naive, and I am an intelligent skeptic, a person who wants proof of claims. So while I do not agree with your defense of this man because of who he is, a politician, I do so love the instinct to protect people who are attacked, even though they actually weren't attacked by me.

So I congratulate you on you fine moral impulse and take issue only with how it was applied.



 

Lemon law

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No PJABBER, you miss the point. You and your 20% of the electorate nuts think only you have correct visions about good Governance, not only has that been greatly disproved by the stinking turd results of GWB&co, you now presume to trump the bigger set of more rational members of the GOP, who now realize your type ideas have led the GOP to disaster.

Unless the GOP can unite on more rational compromise positions, the GOP will continue to become an increasingly minority and irrelevant party.

Worse yet for the GOP, the more rational members of the GOP are not effectively fighting the radical right for control of the GOP, and instead they are voting with their feet. Either not voting, joining independent parties, or becoming democratic. The effect is the same, will the last man or woman to leave the GOP pup tent please turn the night light off before the battery burns out. Bottom line, a 20% coalition does not win when 50+ % is the criteria for winning elections.
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: PJABBER


In any case, I get my direction from Red State Update and Punk Rock Republican, Because There?s Nothing Punk Rock About Democrats.

There is a name for punk rocker republicans: skinheads -most punks are antifa dumbass

kissing ass to the system/status quo is NOT punk, nor is social conservatism.

And those people on the websites look like long haired hessian guys lol punk.

Republicans and culture..what a mess.

omg punk rawk republican in da house!!1!!
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
I didn't realize moon bat had such a significant self esteem issue.

It's easy to have significant self esteem when you don't take yourself too seriously.
 

DealMonkey

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I'm with Newt on this one.

Newt Gingrich: Doug Hoffman support a 'mistake'

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is warning conservative activists that their support for a third-party candidate in a key upcoming New York special election is a ?mistake.?

In a video captured last week and posted on YouTube Friday, Gingrich told tea party organizer Lisa Miller at a book-signing event that conservatives are inadvertently hindering the cause by backing Conservative Party nominee Doug Hoffman over Dede Scozzafava, the Republican Party?s nominee.

?I just think it is a mistake for the conservative movement to think splitting in the special election is a smart idea,? Gingrich said. ?If we give that seat to the Democrats, shame on us.?

A number of top national conservative voices have endorsed Hoffman in the last week, while others have yet to weigh in on behalf of either candidate. Gingrich, however, is one of the few prominent conservatives to support Scozzafava.

Asked why he chose to back Scozzafava, who supports abortion rights, same sex marriage and has ties with local labor leaders, Gingrich responded, ?Let?s just start with she is the nominee of the local party. My bias is to be for the nominee of the local party, and I don?t second guess the local party.?

The former Georgia congressman then rattled off a list of Scozzafava?s conservative credentials.

?She has signed a no tax increase pledge. She is endorsed by the National Rifle Association. She has come out against cap and trade?She is opposed to the Obama health care plan. She will vote for John Boehner instead of Nancy Pelosi,? Gingrich said. ?All of those things together make her ? it seems to me ? a legitimate, authentic, Republican nominee.?

Watching the GOP/conservative splinter is beyond amusing. Watch this strategy back-fire all the way into 2010!
 

umbrella39

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Yep, it's the gift that keeps on giving and these poster children for the new GOP that troll here are part of the reason it perpetuates. People are fed up with dumb.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I paid no attention to the name so I will just use T for turkey:

T: At this time, three months ago, I was wrestling with a decision. A decision as to whether or not to run in a special election to fill the seat vacated by the new secretary of the Army, John McHugh. If you had told me 90 days later I would be penning an op-ed piece for the New York Post, I would have laughed in disbelief. I would have laughed even louder had you told me that I would be receiving endorsement and support from political leaders like Fred Thompson, former Majority Leader Dick Armey, or Sarah Palin. Or appearing on broadcast media with national audiences, as their hosts peppered me with questions about the future of the GOP and our nation.

M: Isn't that just sweet. Three months ago he was just another asshole like me.

T: You see I?m not a professional politician; I?ve never sought elected office. I grew up poor in Saranac Lake, in the heart of the Adirondacks. My siblings and I were raised in a single-parent household by our mother. We worked to help her pay the mortgage. But, like so many others in this great land, I worked hard, got a good education, did a six-year stint in the military, married, landed a good job with a ?big eight? accounting firm and started living the American dream.

M: Damned if I can't hear an orc boo hooing here somewhere.

T: It?s funny what can happen in America, when you are able to dream and have the courage to follow your dreams.

M: Oh Boy does this ever tug at my Mom and Apple Pie good old America Strings. Let me get a hankie.

T: At 27 I was hired as controller of the organizing committee for the 1980 Winter Olympics in Lake Placid. Three years later I bought the accounting firm that employed my mother. Now I have six offices spread across the northern reaches of New York and a dozen other small businesses in the Adirondacks that employ my wife, children and hopefully someday, my grandchildren. I am living the American Dream.

M: I'm a fucking hard working dude man. I'm a real achiever. Of course I embezzled a lot of money to do it and cheated on my partners to do it but you know how it goes.

T: The reason I?m running for office is to ensure that others share the same opportunities.

M: Aren't I just a fucking saint?

T: Sadly,

M: Get out your hankies.

T: that dream is quickly becoming a nightmare. Unemployment grows, our economy is in crisis, and our elected officials seem out of touch with reality. Government in Albany is a disgrace; it?s the most dysfunctional in the nation. New York has six statewide elected officials, only two of them have been elected by the people. Three of the remaining four hold office as a result of the scandals, sexual and financial, that forced a governor and a comptroller to resign.

M: Forget the hankies it's time to rage rage rage. It's the worst here in the world.

T: It?s just as bad in Washington.

M: Scratch that it's the worst here, it's just as bad in Washington.

T: The Obama administration suffers from the illusion that the way you solve problems, both social and economic, is to throw money at them. In the meantime, Congress fiddles while our economy burns. They lack common sense.

M: The same delusion shared by all the worlds leading economists, by the way.

T: They don?t seem to get it that increased spending leads to higher taxes and fuels a projected $9 trillion deficit.

M: I don't seem to get that if the economy shrinks and shrinks from lack of spending we will to the way of Japan in the nineties and have a couple of decades of stagnation and recession.

T: That earmarks and pork-barrel spending might be beneficial to their political careers, but are devastating to the taxpayers who foot the bill.

M: Never mind it's only a small part of spending and the minute I get there I will be working my ass off to get mine so you'll re-elect me.

T: They are oblivious to the fact that tort reform, cutting of waste, and the introduction of free-market solutions are the ways to lower the cost of health care.

M: Another shibboleth because it's a small fraction of the real problem.

T: That Obama-care will only lead us down the slippery slope to socialized medicine.

M: Socialized medicine, OHFG. The dreaded socialized medicine. I did tell you, didn't I that just a few months ago I was a worthless nobody who didn't know shit from beans?

T: They are addicted to spending. When they run low on funds they simply create a new tax or raise an old one.

M: Am I getting anything across to you simple minded twits. They are addicted.

T: Taxes, the deficit, red tape and regulation are breaking the back of the nation, mortgaging the future of our children and grandchildren.

M: I running to save your children you idiots.

T: Americans have had enough and are vocalizing their anger in town hall meetings and on the streets of Washington. They are mad as hell and they?re not going to take it anymore!

M: This is because our testicles are shrinking.

T: That?s why I am running. I am one of them!

M: I certainly am, a brain dead spouter of empty words chalk full of emotional implications, propaganda, and absolutely otherwise meaningless.

T: Freedom is what Americans want. Economic freedom to reap the rewards of the free enterprise system, personal freedom from the intrusion of big government in our lives, freedom from the nanny state that is being forced upon us.

M: Give me deregulation or give me death, oh wait, give me deregulation so I can kill kill kill.

T: I?m a lifelong Republican running as the nominee of the New York State Conservative Party.

M: I am a lifelong congenital idiot, and member of the party of death.

T: I didn't?t leave the Republican Party, the party left me. The GOP bosses in New York and Washington felt the candidate needed to be as liberal as possible. They picked a professional politician, with a voting record more liberal than 46 Democrats in the New York state legislature. They threw principles out the window. Their candidate has voted for increased spending, higher taxes, gay marriage and abortion. She supports ?Card Check? (EFCA) and is supported by trial lawyers, gay activists and Big Labor. In 2008 she ran on the line of the radical left Working Families Party, ACORN?s political party in New York.

M: Help me see if I can pack in some more buzz words, please. It's us decent folk against evil incarnate.

T: The battle I wage is not a lonely one. Like-minded citizens in the district, the state and the nation have joined me in this fight.

T: Together we can become the marching morons.

M: It is a battle that has been joined by current and former elected Republican officials, conservative activists and members of the ever-growing Tea Party and 9/12 movements. And if the GOP picks liberal candidates for the midterm congressional elections next year, they may find that there are a lot more people out there like me who won?t go along. We are not going to win by becoming more like the Democrats. We?re going to win by standing up for our beliefs.

T: It's a battle joined by the same old assholes as have always been in the party of death

T: It?s principle over party.

M: Our latest self delusional lie we are training ourselves to spout.

T: It?s a fight for the heart and soul of the Republican Party. It?s a fight for fiscal responsibility and the return of common sense to those who govern us.

M: That shriveled up piece of blackened flesh and turd we use to allow millions of Americans die without heal care access.

T: This is a fight for our children?s future. It?s a fight for America.

M: Fight so the Zombies can win.
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In this whole worthless piece of shit of a speech not one word of common sense, intelligence or thinking appears anywhere. It is a piece of filthy rhetoric and garbage totally devoid of content, a screed, a raving of propagandistic bull shit.

Bravo sir! :thumbsup:

 

Robor

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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
Originally posted by: PJABBER
Oh SNAP! It was the Republicans that were the Party of Emancipation - my bad!

The fact that you even believe this shows how stupid you are. The "Republicans" that Lincoln belonged to evolved into the present day Democratic Party while the Whigs, that was pro-secession, pro-slavery, morphed into modern day Republicans.

This is basic, 5th grade American history.

Don't let pjabber fool you - he does not believe it in any way. He's a transparent pompous troll who will twist and distort the past and present to get out the message of his right wing masters.

Given his sudden dedication to posting threads in P&N over the past year or so one has to wonder who from the GOP is paying him to 'educate' us.

pjabber: It's dishonest tools like you that made me turn my (R) card in for a (D) card and vote a straight (D) ballot last Nov. Keep up the great work douche. :thumbsup:
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed
Originally posted by: PJABBER


In any case, I get my direction from Red State Update and Punk Rock Republican, Because There?s Nothing Punk Rock About Democrats.

There is a name for punk rocker republicans: skinheads -most punks are antifa dumbass

kissing ass to the system/status quo is NOT punk, nor is social conservatism.

And those people on the websites look like long haired hessian guys lol punk.

Republicans and culture..what a mess.

omg punk rawk republican in da house!!1!!

Hi steeplerot!
 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I'm with Newt on this one... Watching the GOP/conservative splinter is beyond amusing. Watch this strategy back-fire all the way into 2010!
We've reached the point where anyone who doesn't vote the "Tea Party" agenda >99% is denounced as a RINO and tagged to be targeted by these dogmatic "Conservatives" in the Republican primaries. It likely won't hurt them in some areas (here in S.C., for example) but could serve them very ill in less reliably Republican areas.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: Corn
I'm glad Mr. Hoffman has decided to leave the Republican party. Like him, I am also dissatisfied with the direction the party has turned. But that's where our similarities end. Mr. Hoffman is correct when he states:

Freedom is what Americans want. Economic freedom to reap the rewards of the free enterprise system, personal freedom from the intrusion of big government in our lives, freedom from the nanny state that is being forced upon us.

I completely agree with this quote, but unfortunately Mr. Hoffman doesn't, especially the bolded part when in the very next paragraph he derides the GOP candidate for her stance on "gay marriage and abortion."
-snip-

So, when the federal government forces people to recognize gay marriage when they don't want to that's somehow not intrusion of big government into their lives?

You may argue it is justifiable intrusion, but I cannot possibly see how you can reasonably argue it is NOT intrusion.

As regards abortion - I suppose some may view it as an intrusion into the pregnant person's life. However, others may view it as supporting the rights of an unborn. Depends upon your perspective I suppose. Oddly enough, those who support the rights of the unborn are the subject of derision, yet supporting rights for animals lands you job in the Obama admin.

Fern
 

Fern

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This story is getting a lot of media coverage. But I hear little of what I believe the real point is, namely these people having a candidate 'chosen' for them instead of having the right to elect them for themselves.

Apparently the party leadership in this area is seriously out-of-step with the constituents.

I see nothing inherently wrong with a relatively liberal repub candidate or a relatively conservative Dem candidate. That's for the voters to choose. But I do see a big problem with voters not getting to choose. IMO, that's the real story here.

Compare this to the Kinston thread, which situation seems worse? Which disenfranchises voters more? I think this situation does.

Fern
 

JSt0rm

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Originally posted by: Fern
So, when the federal government forces people to recognize gay marriage when they don't want to that's somehow not intrusion of big government into their lives?

You may argue it is justifiable intrusion, but I cannot possibly see how you can reasonably argue it is NOT intrusion.

Thats a stretch man. Come on now. Would you argue that stopping people from getting married is less of a intrusion then making other recognize the marriage?
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Ozoned
I didn't realize moon bat had such a significant self esteem issue.

It's easy to have significant self esteem when you don't take yourself too seriously.

mmmmm, I didn't choose my words carefully enough. I only see it on the other side.
 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: Fern
So, when the federal government forces people to recognize gay marriage when they don't want to that's somehow not intrusion of big government into their lives?
Do you think that having the federal government invalidate state-sanctioned same-sex marriages is not an inappropriate intrusion?
 

IronWing

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Originally posted by: Fern
So, when the federal government forces people to recognize gay marriage when they don't want to that's somehow not intrusion of big government into their lives?

No one is forcing any person to recognize gay marriage or any marriage. In the eyes of some folks, anyone married outside the conventions of their sect, real marriage is not possible because those outside marriages are not sanctified by the right god.

Muddying the waters on the proper function of government wrt to marriage is the reason gay marriage is considered a moral issue. Separate civil marriage (call it marriage or union, or whatever name you want to apply to the civil aspects of marriage) from religious marriage and the problem goes away.
 

WHAMPOM

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I'm with Jefferson that political parties are a danger to the Republic, let people run for office on their own merits. Everyone an independent.
 
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