Discussion Take Their Pensions

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Not just POs, but any public employee/servant convicted of a crime while in office. Refund any payroll deductions or other contributions they've paid in, but bar them from retiremnet payouts or collecting anything else.
 

Viper1j

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Not just POs, but any public employee/servant convicted of a crime while in office. Refund any payroll deductions or other contributions they've paid in, but bar them from retiremnet payouts or collecting anything else.

Interesting..


 

sdifox

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I am not sure that makes sense through. Maybe stop their pension accumulation upon conviction? So treat it like early retirement.
 

himkhan

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You can't just take it away. Even if they are convicted criminals they earned the money by showing up to work, writing tickets, etc. Cash them out and close the account imo.
 
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Viper1j

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You can't just take it away. Even if they are convicted criminals they earned the money by showing up to work, writing tickets, etc. Cash them out and close the account imo.

You get caught buying drugs, and if you're sitting in your car, they seize it and sell it at auction.

It's called "Asset Forfeiture".

How is this any different?
 
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You get caught buying drugs, and if you're sitting in your car, they seize it and sell it at auction.

It's called "Asset Forfeiture".

How is this any different?
You get caught driving down the road with a bum tailight and just happen to have $20Gs in cash (with a reciept from the bank you just left) on you to go buy a car ... they seize the vehicle you're in and the $20Gs and write you a ticket for the tailight on the vehicle you'll never see again.


It's call ass forfeiture.
 

fskimospy

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Not just POs, but any public employee/servant convicted of a crime while in office. Refund any payroll deductions or other contributions they've paid in, but bar them from retiremnet payouts or collecting anything else.
Absolutely not. Their pension is part of their compensation that they have worked for as part of their contract. If someone engaged in misconduct at a private company should we confiscate their 401(k)? I doubt it.
 
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Employees of private companies are not tasked and entrusted to act in the public interest while drawing salaries funded by taxpayers who also fund their pensions.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Absolutely not. Their pension is part of their compensation that they have worked for as part of their contract. If someone engaged in misconduct at a private company should we confiscate their 401(k)? I doubt it.
So is asset forfeiture only applicable to the poor?
 

fskimospy

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Employees of private companies are not tasked and entrusted to act in the public interest while drawing salaries funded by taxpayers who also fund their pensions.
Sounds like a great way to recruit the best public servants. Who would take a job where if you make a mistake at any point in the next 20-30 years you are financially ruined?
 
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Moonbeam

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I am only thankful I don't have to judge what is right here. I don't like the idea of public employees getting a paycheck from the state that have been convicted of crimes committed as state employees nor do I like the idea of the state taking earned benefits away. I don't like the idea that people can't be held to a contract that specifically states they forfeit benefits for on the job criminal behavior but more for the potential that it exposes people to unjust loss if they are unjustly convicted of something they did not commit nor would I like to consider real crimes committed by public employees against the public as some minor mistake. I would welcome people who can be corrupted from hiring on as public employees by rules that threaten future benefits.

I have no answers other than to say that our culture is constructed in a way that produces massive impetus to commit crimes for reasons that people so deeply lack any form of self respect. Nobody who has any appreciation for the value of life harms anybody else and far far far too few are able to feel it.
 

woolfe9998

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You get caught buying drugs, and if you're sitting in your car, they seize it and sell it at auction.

It's called "Asset Forfeiture".

How is this any different?

Asset forfeiture is ridiculous to begin with and needs to be seriously reigned in if not eliminated. Due process is minimal. I would not use it as a basis to justify the OP's idiotic idea.
 
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They have to know that there may be a personal financial penalty. Too often, various settlements are paid out of taxpayer funds or insurance plans and the officers committing the offense pay nothing. There was a case recently where a fired officer was ordered rehired and paid back pay, but allowed to retire with a full pension. He basically paid nothing.
 

fskimospy

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They have to know that there may be a personal financial penalty. Too often, various settlements are paid out of taxpayer funds or insurance plans and the officers committing the offense pay nothing. There was a case recently where a fired officer was ordered rehired and paid back pay, but allowed to retire with a full pension. He basically paid nothing.
While it’s true that qualified immunity is bullshit, that is protection from civil lawsuits filed by citizens and has nothing to do with asset seizures by the government of the retirement funds of their own employees.

Your idea is terrible for like ten different reasons.
 

Moonbeam

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OP's been hitting the eggnog hard.
It’s the result of thought, the power of human intellect, the capacity to imagine in time, to remember past painful events and picturing them happening in the future, and to have never seen past this dualistic illusion to a deeper persistent timeless state, to have identified human happiness to imagined sacred states. That eggnog is who we are, a prison we do not see.
 
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