Take this, you Athiests!!

[UG]

reitz,

<<...It can be argued that atheism is taking the easy way out, since it does not require constant, continuous self-reflection...>>>

You are wrong.

 

[athlongeek618]

<< athlongeek618,

There are those of us theists who might consider atheists in the same light. It can be argued that atheism is taking the easy way out, since it does not require constant, continuous self-reflection, and requires no element of faith. Once you make up your mind, that's it; question answered. It must be nice to live a life where you've already figured out all of the answers, instead of constantly searching for the truth. >>



I've found my truth...and it's rock solid. why should i believe in some fabricated omniscient being, when i could be channeling my faith into something concrete...other human beings.

Anyways...in my opinion (and i think it's at least worth a thought or two from you all - it's pretty believable)

Religion was made up awhile ago to deal with people (sheep), to alleviate their fear of death, and to create a stronger moral fabric (if you're good in this life - you'll be rewarded in the afterlife). Plus it was just the educated leader's way of getting more power.

Throughout the years religion has made such a blemish on history...it's caused more bloodshed, hatred and carnage than anything else. It seems as though too many people have the atitude &quot;believe in my god, or else&quot;

 

[Balt]

reitz,

You said exactly what I wanted to say, but much more gracefully.

Thank you

 

[Bryophyte]

<< It can be argued that atheism is taking the easy way out, since it does not require constant, continuous self-reflection >>



Since when is this a requirement for theism?
edit: Moreover, what makes you think that atheists are incapable of self-reflection?




<< Once you make up your mind, that's it; question answered. >>



This sounds more like most christians, not atheists.




<< It must be nice to live a life where you've already figured out all of the answers, instead of constantly searching for the truth. >>



This sounds more like most christians, not atheists.

 

[UG]

reitz, et al.,

<<... Once you make up your mind, that's it; question answered. It must be nice to live a life where you've already figured out all of the answers, instead of constantly searching for the truth...>>

Funny. That's exactly what it is about Theists that ticks off Athiests.

 

[yellowperil]

Christians may live longer as a whole because they cope with stress better. That may seem like a powerful argument for religion, but you have to ask what that proves. Join religion so you can live longer? What is the motive behind that statement anyway? If I could thoroughly convince myself that I am king of the world, and that everyone in the world loves me, I'd probably live as long as a Christian too. I'd have no stress because hey, I'm king and everyone cares. Certain beliefs may help you live longer, but that doesn't mean they're true.

 

[athlongeek618]

Yeah...how are Christians searching for the truth? It seems as if most of you just believe the crap that's rammed down your throats on a constant basis.

 

[athlongeek618]

Christians live longer because they submit and conform...

Atheists fight for what they believe in, and actually use their thought power...

 

[reitz]

BigDan,

<< This sounds more like most christians, not atheists. >>

True Christians, or your stereotyped, malformed view of Christians?

athlongeek618,

<< Throughout the years religion has made such a blemish on history...it's caused more bloodshed, hatred and carnage than anything else. It seems as though too many people have the atitude &quot;believe in my god, or else&quot; >>

I do not believe in any one specific God, nor follow any particular religious doctrine. I am constantly reflecting on, and refining my personal views. I was a &quot;hardcore athiest&quot; for a long time, and again a little more recently. Constant self-reflection, though, has taught me that no matter what else I may try to believe, there is a part of me that thrives on my faith and spirituality. Yet, according to you, &quot;[I]'d rather not form [my] own opinions.&quot;

UG,

<< Funny. That's exactly what it is about Theists that ticks off Athiests. >>

Come on, you know me better than that. athlongeek618 made a blantantly ignorant post about religion, using one of the oldest, most worn out arguments there is, and I simply responded in kind to make a point.

 

[reitz]

<< Christians live longer because they submit and conform...

Atheists fight for what they believe in, and actually use their thought power...

Yeah...how are Christians searching for the truth? It seems as if most of you just believe the crap that's rammed down your throats on a constant basis. >>

Then may I ask how you became an atheist? Your statements do a pretty thorough job of displaying your ignorance, and leads me to believe you have no &quot;thought power&quot; to use.

Are you just making up those posts to troll, or do you actually believe in what you are saying? If the latter is true, then how did you &quot;form your own opinions&quot; without even learning about the opposing viewpoint?

 

[athlongeek618]

Hey reitz - stop trying to put words in my mouth. It was meant to say &quot;people who would rather not form their own opinions (but just to follow blindly)&quot;

Blatantly ignorant to closeminded idiots like yourself.

Some of the things religion is based on is the same stuff that will get someone put in a mental institution these days.

&quot;I saw god, and he was talking to me&quot;...

I like christian music (Jethro Tull), but then again, they did so many drugs i don't blame them for seeing things on the wrong end of the spectrum

 

[athlongeek618]

I was subjected to the hell that is Christianity for many, many years, until I was old enough to make my own decision.

Well here's one thought for you to chew on...Christianity supposedly welcomes all people &quot;under god&quot;...but what about gays?

 

[Pyro]

<< Completely OT, but it has to do with religion

Link >>



HOLY JUMPING JESUS!

 

[athlongeek618]

I'm out for the night, damn tired.

Anyways, different people have different opinions, although history has proven that the great thinkers understand the true idiocy and conformity of religion.

 

[Triumph]

athlongeek is spouting the same tripe that most so called &quot;athiests&quot; spout (especially alot of the ones around here). you may call all christians and religious folk &quot;sheep&quot;, but i see very sheep-like traits in you.



<< I was subjected to the hell that is Christianity for many, many years, until I was old enough to make my own decision. >>



you can have math forced down your throat for years by crappy teachers, but this doesn't mean math is wrong.

 

[reitz]

<< Blatantly ignorant to closeminded idiots like yourself. >>

And how have I shown myself to be close-minded? I've revealed very little of my own personal views in this thread, or on this board in general. Most of my arguments have been designed to poke holes in your own ignorant assertations, though the question, &quot;Well here's one thought for you to chew on...Christianity supposedly welcomes all people 'under god'...but what about gays?&quot; makes me seriously doubt your reading comprehension skills.

<< I do not believe in any one specific God, nor follow any particular religious doctrine. >>

To further answer that question, though, show me some proof that shows that most Christians do not welcome all people under God (or even some general 'evidence' that somewhat supports your claim)

Let me ask you this: How many different churches did you attend, and how many denominations did you familiarize yourself with, before you decided that Christianity is Hell? Have you ever invited Mormons into your house to actually hear what they have to say? (note: as valuable as an experience as this is, I do not recommend it, as they are quite hard to get rid of) How many different spiritual paths have you actually explored? Tell me what you truly know about Juadaism, Catholicism, Buddhism, etc.

You seem to have quite &quot;solid&quot; arguments in your mind about &quot;the hell that is Christianity&quot;, but your posts show that you know quite little about what most other &quot;Christians&quot; actually believe.

I have put no words in your mouth. All I have done is to quote your statements, and use them to show flaws in your arguments.

Edit: Well, I see athlongeek618 has fled this discussion with his tail between his legs. Damn, and I was really looking forward to his responses.

 

[ace31216]

Church is dandy and all but what happens when the football seasaon starts? The NFL is my real religon.

 

[Triumph]

<< although history has proven that the great thinkers understand the true idiocy and conformity of religion. >>



and you call theists Sheep??!?! bwahahahahaha! that very statement proves that you'd rather accept what some supposed &quot;genius&quot; has concluded, than come to your own conclusion. you're no different than anyone else.

 

[SuperSix]

Sure.. Sure..

Went to a family get together this weekend..

My brother-in-law, who has devoted every waking minute, dollar and thought to the church, now is battling skin cancer, at the ripe old age of 46.
He borders on fanatacism, and his &quot;god&quot; pays him back like that.

:|

 

[reitz]

<< My brother-in-law, who has devoted every waking minute, dollar and thought to the church, now is battling skin cancer, at the ripe old age of 46.
He borders on fanatacism, and his &quot;god&quot; pays him back like that. >>

SuperSix, that argument against theism definitely has merit. How could someone possibly have faith in a &quot;god&quot; that pays back his devotion by allowing such a horrible thing to happen?

The best theist argument I ever heard against that was a sermon our priest delivered at least 15 years ago, but that I still remember. He spoke of a devout Catholic who attended his first church years back every single day. She had three sons, and all were good, upstanding members of the community. Her first son was killed in some kind of accident at a young age, and the second died of some form of cancer. The third was shot to death while trying to stop a robbery attempt.

The woman's neighbor thought it incredible that she still went to church regularly, in light of all the pain and tragedy in her life. He asked her how she could believe in a God who allowed such horrible things to happen to good people. She responded, &quot;I do not believe in a God who allows such things to happen to me. I believe in a God who is here for me, guides me though the pain, and gives me the strength to continue living in spite of all of this.&quot;

Those are not quite my own personal beliefs, but they do a pretty good job of explaining one way that bad things can happen to good people.

 

[Vikaden]

<< Go to church and live longer >>



I would die of bordem first

 

[Mikal]

Go to church? Does not compute...

 

[Aihyah]

<< I was subjected to the hell that is Christianity for many, many years, until I was old enough to make my own decision. >>



you can have math forced down your throat for years by crappy teachers, but this doesn't mean math is wrong.

wow try a little harder. math not=religion. math is prooven by proofs, religion is based on faith in stories etc. if a teacher crams proven math down your throat..well you can try to disprove him. in religion.. there is nothing to prove, and nothing to disprove... unless you beleive on faith that religious texts are the word of god etc.

 

[SuperSix]

Like I've always said, if the belief gives someone strength, and/or pleasure,
fine, more power to them.

I think it's crap.



<<

<< My brother-in-law, who has devoted every waking minute, dollar and
thought to the church, now is battling skin cancer, at the ripe old age of 46.
He borders on fanatacism, and his &quot;god&quot; pays him back like that. >>



SuperSix, that argument against theism definitely has merit. How could someone possibly have faith in a &quot;god&quot; that pays back his devotion by allowing such a horrible thing to happen?

The best theist argument I ever heard against that was a sermon our priest delivered at least 15 years ago, but that I still remember. He spoke of a devout Catholic who attended his first church years back every single day. She had three sons, and all were good, upstanding members of the community. Her first son was killed in some kind of accident at a young age, and the second died of some form of cancer. The third was shot to death while trying to stop a robbery attempt.

The woman's neighbor thought it incredible that she still went to church regularly, in light of all the pain and tragedy in her life. He asked her how she could believe in a God who allowed such horrible things to happen to good people. She responded, &quot;I do not believe in a God who allows such things to happen to me. I believe in a God who is here for me, guides me though the pain, and gives me the strength to continue living in spite of all of this.&quot;

Those are not quite my own personal beliefs, but they do a pretty good job of explaining one way that bad things can happen to good people. >>

 

[InfectedVoice]

athlongeek618,

You and I have exactly the same opinions....its scary.

I have always believed in science over religion. Id much rather use that hour where people sit in their peaceful little churches wasting their time to frag some llamas online in CS.

Anyway, the one thing that bugs me is that people think you are a Satanist if you dont belive in God. I dont believe in God, so how can I believe in Satan ??????

Hardy Har