Taking AMD to task!

[cdrakejr]

Here is an article taking AMD to task for the overclocking fiasco were facing. Will it or won't it, is it or isn't it?
He makes some good points to consider.
I'm an avid AMD fan but have to agree with the writer who reflects the frustration of a lot of us!

http://www.overclockers.com/articles185:I


IceStorm: Yes, I did post this at ArsOpenForum also.

 

[celeron550]

why take them to task???its already been spelt out in plain english:The multipliers have been LOCKED simple.....did you amd fans HONESTLY EXPECT THE SHIPPING TBIRDS AND DURONS TO COME WITH UNLOCKED MULTIPLIERS? CMON!!!!!...

i pointed out in a previous post that here in australia,amd clearly let it be known their stance on overclocking:they didnt like it..simple....

heres a tip if you want to experience true overclocking power and satisfaction..let me spell it out: I N T E L

 

[celeron550]

i personally liked the last paragraph in the link u provided:"stick to the devil u know"...what better plug could you give for intel?

 

[Insane3D]

Celeron 550- If you think Intel is best fine..., they why don't you just stay out of the AMD threads. I am not sure why you say Intel is the only way to experience "true overclocking power", because that is almost good enough to be in a joke book. Intel's stance on overclocking has always been more conservative than AMD's. I guess that why it was possible to unlock the multipliers on the Athlon, as well as the Duron and T-Bird, but P3 and Celeron owners can just up the FSB only...Hmmmm, guess I should just throw this 1ghz rig out the window and go get some celery...oh sorry..Celeron...

 

[PieDerro]

If AMD does multiplier lock their production CPUS, they are losing a GIANT portion of their prospective buyers. I for one (like many others on this forum) am a keen overclocker, since i am pressed for cash, but always wanting more

AMD is going to lose a large number of customers who are overclockers. This is more of a problem for AMD due to the poor overclockability of the EV-6 (come on, 110MHz!!! )and the fact that people who buy AMD are generally more of the people in the know about computers, and who tend to overclock!!

This simple analysis proves that AMD is doing themselves and their customers more harm than good!! (I'm gonna go Intel, after I was VERY close to going with an AMD for my next PC purchase!)

 

[Insane3D]

Pie Derro-

I am not sure what why you think they will lose customers, I am sure someone will have a work around soon enough. I have my Athlon running very nice at 118mhz, but I realize this is not what everyone achieves. I look at it this way, if I had a P3 running at 150mhz FSB, it still would be much slower than my EV6 bus. The EV6 bus is a DDR bus, so at 118mhz I am running at 236mhz DDR. It is also rumored that when the Mustang and Corvette come along, they will have an upgraded EV6 bus that will run at 266mhz, that is twice the speed of an Intel 133mhz FSB. I am just waiting for the Mustang...

 

[Pits]

My 2 cents.

That was a good article.

I for one will not buy another AMD chip until this issue is clearly resolved.

 

[ragiepew]

this is all a bunch of crap... AMD doesnt care about overclockers... neither does Intel. Hell overclockers represent <1% of the market... cmon who are you guys kidding when you say that they will be harmed by this. AMD is doing what is best for business... same as intel did when it locked its multipliers over a year ago. And just to make another point to celeron550... look @ anands review of the duron 700... not even an OC'd Celery @ 850 could beat it. Overclockers do not represent the general market and whoever said that only people who buy AMD are the ones who know more and are willing to overclock is just plain wrong... for years the only chips that were able to be overclocked by any respectable margin were Intel. How can overclockers then be the only ones who buy AMD. Im sorry if this sounds rude... its just that overclockers (i own a 366celery @ 578) take it to heart that AMD/Intel will lose ground because they are not serving to our needs... face the real world... they need to make money, thats why they are doing this.

alin

 

[Insane3D]

Ragiepew- You are absolutely right. If anyone thinks these chip makers are going to develop their products for overclockers is not being realistic. Why would Intel/AMD want to make a CPU that someone could buy at say 600mhz and run it at 800,900 or more. If it was that easy why would anyone buy the high-end CPU's? I think that once everything settles down and everything gets on the market, there will be someone, like Abit, who will find some way to tweak these CPU's out. These companies make their CPU's for the mainstream market like OEM manufacturers, not for the small percentage of users who overclock. I am waiting for the Mustang anyway...

 

[Quickfingerz]

Well, it depends on what you think &quot;locked&quot; really means. If you think of locked as being locked on the die T-birds and Durons on this stepping will certainly not be locked.

 

[Insane3D]

Quickfingerz- Good point...

 

[Mickster]

there is usually a bona fide work around of some sort or another,
but sheesh guys,
dont get crazy over it yet.
i agree with a couple post's here as i have seen the articles myself,
there will more than likely be a m/b manufacturer that will provide some support...
Plus,
sorry,
cant remember where i read it but,
the duron/t-bird differ from the p3 by,
not only do they send a signal to the m/b telling it what it is,
but aswell the duron/t-bird also recieve a confirmation or optional signal back from the m/b..possible o/c with m/b settings alone is quite possible still at this time,
but DONT run to the penty waisters because they look suspicios at this time.hold on,stay the course,o/c'n never been easy o the nerves anyways

Oh,and really no offence to the pentium owners by that lame comment i made,i own one aswell,just i like the bang for the buck amd has provided so far,at a way lower cost

my two Cycles

 

[DaddyG]

Get your Durons NOW!! if you want them to Overclock. The current stepping WILL overclock but the news is that AMD will lockup the next stepping.

 

[goog40]

Hot off the press- Overclocking AMD's Socket Processors:
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/00q3/000711/index.html

celeron550- you been drinking a little too much of that funny juice. Intel locked their chips and there's no easy workaround as far as I know.

 

[celeron550]

insane: to quote you:&quot;Why would Intel/AMD want to make a CPU that someone could buy at say 600mhz and run it at 800,900 or more. If it was that easy why would anyone buy the high-end CPU's? &quot;.......

lets see now...my last three intel p3 HAVE ALL given me 250mhz extra,stock,straight out of the box,no @#$# goldfingers etc etc...everyone i know who bought a newer stepping coppermine/celeron2 getting same results..we dont have to wait for(AT THE MOMENT,RUMOURS ONLY)some motherboard that MIGHT get around cpus that amd have said are laser etched with locked multipliers...i also agree that overclockers probably only account for less than one percent of the market,but lets face it,if you can find that u can gain a few(in most cases 200+) mhz free for nothing(without cracking open the case,applying goldfingers,looking for that'elusive motherboard that unlocks multipliers( AND ANOTHER THING!!!no motherboard manufactuer has managed to do it yet to intel chips!!! what makes u amd worshippers think that amd is/will be different???)...))...

 

[celeron550]

goog:yeah,i read toms article.and im real sure everyone who wants a few extra mhz out of their processors ARE RIGHT AT HOME modifying their cpu like that(yeah sure!!)..none of that cr@p needed for intel overclocking!!! yes i know intel have locked multipliers(doh)..we just have good mobos that allow good overclocks through fsb overclocking...another point:at least we have motherboards WHEN the cpu hits the street!!!unlike,some companies ,whose name just eludes me at this moment(amd!! thats it)... i sound pro intel(and at the moment i am),but i too am not the richest kid on the block,so i too wait in anticipation of someone who does it better/cheaper...but on the other hand,im willing to pay a bit more for stability etc..my experience with and seeing most of my friends experiences with athlons,has not been a positive one...

 

[Renob]

Cant we all just get along. I have an cell-2 566@850 and it is great but i would like to try the duron I just ordered one this morning and will get it on thursday I hope daddy-g is right about the stepping and that this first batch is not locked. I dont care who makes the chip amd or intel just as long as it kicks ass..........................

 

[celeron550]

reno: amen brother

 

[celeron550]

daddyg: where did you get this infomation about current durons having unlocked multipliers? here is amds reply to this on toms hardware:

&quot;Obviously, you have done a good job of putting the pieces together and presenting the information to your readers. However, there is one piece of information that you did not have. The parts we sent out to reviewers did not have the multiplier locked ---- as the final production parts now should. So, rather than have your vast readership discover that your recipe should not work on the parts they purchase from a vendor, and then have them pointing fingers back at you regarding your article, we wanted to make sure you had all of the data required.
As you know, we have had too many people make a business of overclocking and remarking our products so we have had to take drastic measures to prevent this. We wish there was a solution that allowed the legitimate enthusiast to experience the headroom in our products without the liability of out-of-spec parts being resold to unsuspecting users. Enthusiasts know the risks and some motherboards will allow general overclocking outside the CPU&quot;

they say mulitipliers are locked...u know where we can get unlocked ones? let us know,coz im sure everyone will want one...

 

[Insane3D]

Celeron550- I guess you missed my system specs...1004mhz with NO GFD and a .1v voltage increase. I guess I can't overclock without a goldfinger device huh? How many P3/Celeron setups are running Generic PC-100 at Cas2/4-way and hitting 1ghz... As far as their being boards out for the Intel CPU's before they realease a new CPU that is because their core has been the same for a loooooooong time. When is the last &quot;new&quot; cpu Intel announced? How 'bout that i820 chipset with Rambus...that worked out real well. They just do something different...announce a new speed months before anyone can really get one (1.13ghz). Intel has said that these won't be available in the retail market until next year??? Sounds like good marketing to me. At least AMD can actually produce their CPU's.....

 

[cdrakejr]

I think celeron 550 has got it wrong, it's spelled...T*R*O*L*L*I*N*G*

 

[goog40]

at least we have motherboards WHEN the cpu hits the street

Can't help myself, you left your self wide open. At least AMD(I don't have any delusions that I am AMD) has CPU's WHEN the motherboard hits the street. AMD announced a huge price-cuts for the ghz athlons on September 5(=very widely available). So Intel, always having to react to AMD's moves announces a price cut on the ghz p3 October 29. Isn't there something wrong when this huge company with all their resources can't stand up to lil 'ol AMD?

 

[celeron550]

cdrakejrude,you better look up the word trolling..im only presenting MY OWN opinions..anyone can have one..this is what forums are..if you read other posts,the old&quot;intel v amd&quot; 'discussion' has been raging endlessly..as for trolling::::

AT LEAST I DONT POST THE SAME POSTS ON DIFFERENT FORUMS,OBVIOUSLY TROLLING FOR ARGUMENTS LIKE YOU DO!!! as i recall,you were raked for being one yourself...if you cant add anything useful to the thread(which ustarterd) then dont try to get cheap by calling someone a troll

have a nice day,you poor pathetic,wannabe troll

 

[cdrakejr]

I think you just proved my point. Thank you.

 

[celeron550]

cdrakejr: your welcome

now explain why you trol..uh..post same posts in different forums,getting called a troll(would you like a list of the folks who did? in case you have memory problems )...

now,personal attacks on each other aside,can u prove or disprove anything i,ve said?( thats what forums are all about,posting your opinions,getting too know if u are right or wrong,learning something new and sharing information etc etc)...sorry,for coming back at you in a childish manner,but hey,you just posted a direct statement that i was a troll,without basing some facts on your assumption...

regards,
celeron 550