Taking his role a little too serious? 7th Heaven Pastor/Dad admits to molesting kids

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Jodell88

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Now if she was "I have this recording of you admitting to child abuse, give me a million dollars and it disappears.", then fuck her.
Yes, fuck her. In addition to my personal distaste for secretly taping a counselling session, she sat on that tape for two years. She should have gone to the police ASAP.

I bet she kept it to help her in the divorce if things were going bad for her. :thumbsdown:
 

WelshBloke

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Yes, fuck her. In addition to my personal distaste for secretly taping a counselling session,...

Tough shit for him on that.

Obviously he should have been allowed to have his private sessions to help with his feelings as he's the victim here.

/s

... she sat on that tape for two years. She should have gone to the police ASAP.

I bet she kept it to help her in the divorce if things were going bad for her. :thumbsdown:

In an ideal situation she'd have contacted the police immediately but then we'd have been complaining about her doing it just before her divorce.

In short her failings are no where near his.

He's a child abuser, she hurt a child abusers feelings.
 

Sonikku

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The poor man, his rights were violated. You don't video tape someone when you don't know they're doing it. :\
 

nageov3t

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Yes, fuck her. In addition to my personal distaste for secretly taping a counselling session, she sat on that tape for two years. She should have gone to the police ASAP.

I bet she kept it to help her in the divorce if things were going bad for her. :thumbsdown:

according to another story, the LAPD were given the tape in 2012, conducted an investigation, and closed it... now that this is actually getting major publicity, they announced today that they'll be reopening the investigation. :thumbsup:

http://www.tmz.com/2014/10/07/steph...ion-child-molestation-los-angeles-audio-tape/
 

NFS4

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Well, that was quick

'Ted 2' fires Stephen Collins after molestation allegations


Stephen Collins has been cut from the movie Ted 2 after a recording surfaced today in which he admits to molesting several young children, EW has learned exclusively.

The sequel to Seth MacFarlane’s trash-talking teddy bear comedy is currently in production, and Collins—best known as the minister father in the 1996-2007 WB drama 7th Heaven—had a small role in the film, according to sources close to the project.

Although the 67-year-old actor has not yet been charged with a crime, the recording of him admitting to the crimes (first published on TMZ) and the police investigation that has since been launched were enough to lead MacFarlane and Universal Pictures to immediately end his involvement in the movie.

Representatives for the film confirmed the firing, but the filmmakers declined to comment beyond that. (Reps for Collins did not immediately respond.)

It’s not clear what part Collins was performing, or whether it had even been shot yet, but reps for the film say it is small enough to remove without any major disruption or rewrites of the project.

Collins had never been officially announced as a part of the movie, but rumors had leaked of his involvement. The actor himself teased fans about his part in the movie. When asked recently about the character he was playing, Collins tweeted on Saturday: “I’d tell you but @SethMacFarlane would have to kill me.”

Now, commenters are tweeting such reactions as: “Is this option still available?” and “Skip the middleman and kill yourself, you waste of skin.”

One possible connection between the actor and the filmmaker: The Family Guy creator is a renowned Star Trek aficionado, and Collins played a significant role in 1979’s Star Trek: The Motion Picture as Will Decker, the man who takes over as captain of the Enterprise after James Kirk is promoted to Starfleet admiral.
Ted 2 is currently set for release June 26, 2015.
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/10/07/ted-2-drops-stephen-collins/
 

cronos

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Yeah people don't fuck around with things like this.

What a creep. It looks like he's been doing it since he was much younger (or at least has done it before) but statute of limitation ran out on that one so the police closed the case.
 

zokudu

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according to another story, the LAPD were given the tape in 2012, conducted an investigation, and closed it... now that this is actually getting major publicity, they announced today that they'll be reopening the investigation. :thumbsup:

http://www.tmz.com/2014/10/07/steph...ion-child-molestation-los-angeles-audio-tape/

Is it bad this bothers me? The fact that they let this guy walk in 2012 is downright awful and now reopening it because the public suddenly heard about it. Our justice system should not be based on public opinion it should be based on facts and evidence. If they have the same evidence now why did they let him roam free for 2 years? This is the same thing that bothers me about the Ray Rice issue. Is he a scumbag? Yes but his penalty should not be based on what people think of him.
 

nageov3t

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Is it bad this bothers me? The fact that they let this guy walk in 2012 is downright awful and now reopening it because the public suddenly heard about it. Our justice system should not be based on public opinion it should be based on facts and evidence. If they have the same evidence now why did they let him roam free for 2 years? This is the same thing that bothers me about the Ray Rice issue. Is he a scumbag? Yes but his penalty should not be based on what people think of him.

it sounds like at the time, they couldn't identify the victim based on the recording/anonymous letter received by the wife, and no victim came forward... perhaps now that this is getting such widespread publicity and condemnation of the actor, the victim will step forward this time.
 

Riparian

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I'd assume it would depend on which state the recordings were made (1-party consent or all-party consent)... otherwise, as far as I know, in any kind of group therapy, the other participants are not legally bound to the same confidentiality rules as the psychologists themselves.

What'll be interesting is to see whether the marital communications privilege will be interpreted to include situations where a married couple are in a therapy session (assuming no one else was with them).
 

moonbogg

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That stupefyingly hot girl to the right of him in the OPs image...why the hell wasn't he trying to molest her? God damn, why do people go for 11 year olds?
 
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smackababy

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it sounds like at the time, they couldn't identify the victim based on the recording/anonymous letter received by the wife, and no victim came forward... perhaps now that this is getting such widespread publicity and condemnation of the actor, the victim will step forward this time.

At least one victim has come forward and contacted the NYPD. She is giving her full cooperation, according to TMZ.

The LAPD said they are looking into this case again and hoping, with the help of the NYPD, they can identify the LA victim from 2012 and continue with charges.

Also, it turns out California might allow this tape as evidence. The law states you can secretly record someone if it for collection of evidence in a violent felony, which child molestation counts as in CA. Not that the tape matters much, as at least one victim is willing to testify against him.

The real scary part is at least one person that worked with him says he showed no signs of being creepy or inappropriate, although he was a boy and it looks like this was centered around girls. It is just disturbing that someone can compartmentalize such a dark thing and hide it from the world.

Also, he was immediately fried from Ted 2 (he had a small part) and has resigned from the board of the Screen Actor's Guild.
 

DCal430

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From what I heard this morning, one party recordings are legal in CA where the recording was done. They are illegal in NY (where the acts occurred) except for gathering evidence of a crime. So he's probably screwed and she probably did nothing illegal (and would unlikely be prosecuted/convicted anyway).

You are 100% WRONG, one party recording are illegal in California. It is a felony in California, a very serious felony.
 

smackababy

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You are 100% WRONG, one party recording are illegal in California. It is a felony in California, a very serious felony.

No. CA laws states one party recording is legal, and usable in court if it is for gathering evidence for a violent felony, which CA also recognizes child molestation as.
 

nageov3t

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You are 100% WRONG, one party recording are illegal in California. It is a felony in California, a very serious felony.

pretty sure you're wrong with regards to this instance (CA does normally require all-party consent for recording private conversations, but there are exceptions).

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=630-638

633.5. Nothing in Section 631, 632, 632.5, 632.6, or 632.7
prohibits one party to a confidential communication from recording
the communication for the purpose of obtaining evidence reasonably
believed to relate to the commission by another party to the
communication of the crime of extortion, kidnapping, bribery, any
felony involving violence against the person, or a violation of
Section 653m. Nothing in Section 631, 632, 632.5, 632.6, or 632.7
renders any evidence so obtained inadmissible in a prosecution for
extortion, kidnapping, bribery, any felony involving violence against
the person, a violation of Section 653m, or any crime in connection
therewith.

I don't believe spousal privilege would apply either.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=evid&group=00001-01000&file=970-973

972. A married person does not have a privilege under this article
in:

(e) A criminal proceeding in which one spouse is charged with:
(1) A crime against the person or property of the other spouse or
of a child, parent, relative, or cohabitant of either, whether
committed before or during marriage.
(2) A crime against the person or property of a third person
committed in the course of committing a crime against the person or
property of the other spouse, whether committed before or during
marriage.
(3) Bigamy.
(4) A crime defined by Section 270 or 270a of the Penal Code.
(f) A proceeding resulting from a criminal act which occurred
prior to legal marriage of the spouses to each other regarding
knowledge acquired prior to that marriage if prior to the legal
marriage the witness spouse was aware that his or her spouse had been
arrested for or had been formally charged with the crime or crimes
about which the spouse is called to testify.
 
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DCal430

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moonbogg

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So when do we stop fucking kids? Just wondering. This guy could have afforded some high end hooker action, but instead...
 
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