Taking kid to gun range

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Ferzerp

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Tormac,
Not to say your plan is wrong, but have you considered the possibility that the air rifle might instill too much of a casual attitude?

We weren't allowed BB guns until after we had the proper firearm attitudes.

Again, just something to think about. I have no idea if what I am saying has a bit of merit.
 

Tormac

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Thanks for the question Ferzerp.

I suppose it depends on how casual the air rifle is treated. The air rifle in my house is treated more seriously that a "BB" gun. My son has lots of Nerf toy guns, but the air rifle is in my gun safe with the other fire arms, and is not treated as a toy.

I know that some people treat them like a half step up from a Nerf gun but I treat it a little more seriously.
 
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Scarpozzi

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When I was that age, my dad let me shoot a few of his guns. One of them was a Springfield Armory 1898:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kzKen-YxL0

I just about separated my shoulder when I fired it.


Edit: This is the ammo that sucker shoots... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-40_Krag
My grandfather bought that rifle in maybe 1949 for $7 and used it with steel jacketed bullets from a johnboat to catch fish from a local river.


I think you should restrict him to a .22 rifle. It's good to start on the smaller guns and work your way up from there.
 
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DCal430

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Scary with all of the mass shooting parents want to teach their kids to gun down people.
 

Linux23

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Scary with all of the mass shooting parents want to teach their kids to gun down people.
As per the wisdom from our republican presidential candidates if more people were armed there would be less of these mass shootings.

The next solution would be the government giving guns to every man woman and child in Murica. F yeah!
 

waggy

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you can't say yes or or no without knowing the child. both my kids started shooting bb guns at 6 at 12 my daughter was shooting a .22 on a regular bases. She has also gone hunting with her grandfather. My son 9 has shot her .22 a few times. Though he is not a very good shot. Grandpa is looking at getting my son a .22 and my daughter a small hunting shotgun

My nephew on the other hand is 9 and they won't even let him shoot the BB guns. the kid lacks discipline and self control.
 

kage69

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TMJ bullets at the range will reduce the lead problem. Total Metal Jacket, with no exposed lead.

While it's true that TMJ rounds don't have exposed lead at the base, if it's an indoor range what other people there are shooting matters too. I simply wouldn't take my sons to an indoor range, even one with good ventilation. Can't beat a nice gravel pit you have all to yourself. Outdoor ranges will be safer for the kids than indoor, but you still need to keep on eye on other people. Get your boy shooting gloves, and under no circumstances allow the consumption of snacks and drinks at the location of the shooting. Can't stress that one enough.

Remember that you'll have to shop for ammo with lead-free primers in addition to the bullets being TMJ though. They're pricier, but frangible loads with lead free primers are nice. They clean your barrel and fertilize the ground, instead of the other way around.
 
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JulesMaximus

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Scary with all of the mass shooting parents want to teach their kids to gun down people.

I've taught mine to gun down paper targets... some of those paper targets had zombies on them.

My son has shot my Glock 9mm (one round and he put it down-said it kicked too much). He has also shot my .44 Magnum lever action rifle many times which he loves. He loves the Ruger 10/22 and .22 Mark IV pistol.

I have plenty of concerns with people owning guns, primarily military styled weapons with large capacity magazines. I also have concerns with arming the entire population like conservatives seem to think is the answer to all our problems. There are a lot of stupid people and stupid people are prone to making stupid mistakes and decisions based on emotion and that is a bad thing when you introduce guns into the mix. It is just a recipe for disaster. Look no further than that shithead in Florida who gunned down an unarmed teen for playing loud music or the two CCW holders in Michigan who got into a road rage incident and killed each other in a parking lot.

Anyway, I've owned guns for 25 years. I keep them locked up inside my house and I have no desire to carry a gun anywhere. I'd rather rely on my intellect than something that can so easily take a life. My guns are for my enjoyment and the enjoyment of people I go to the range a few times a year with. That's it. Nobody has ever broken into my house and I've never had to use a gun in self defense... hope I never do.

My .02
 

adairusmc

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Scary with all of the mass shooting parents want to teach their kids to gun down people.

I plan to teach my son to live by the same words that I life by each and every day : "Be professional, be polite, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet."
 

NutBucket

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FWIW the indoor ranges I've been to only allow FMJ ammo. Eye and hearing protection are definitely mandatory. I plan to introduce my daughter to guns once she is older. As others have stated, given you have weapons in the house they need to be taught to respect them for what they are.
 

JulesMaximus

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I plan to teach my son to live by the same words that I life by each and every day : "Be professional, be polite, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet."

I really don't want to live in a world where this type of thinking is necessary.

I'd be just as happy if I didn't own a single gun quite frankly.
 

twinrider1

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,,Don't give him a goddam uzi...

..move up to a bolt action .22 rifle with a single round in the chamber. ...

The local PD has a class when I was a kid. They didn't load a round in the rifle until you were in a good prone position with the rifle on target. Guns aren't dangerous; negligence is dangerous.

I plan on taking both of my kids, but it will be one at a time. They don't have to be gun enthusiasts, but I want to make sure they're comfortable with them.
And education can start long before you get to the range. We could be watching a movie and I'll bring up the 4 rules after a gun scene. Just casually, not a long discussion. It soaks in.

Listen to Clint Smith

I recommend the NRA Basic Pistol Shooting Course. (Don't be scared off by the NRA. The training is level headed and not the obnoxious political side stuff).
 
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Tormac

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Scary with all of the mass shooting parents want to teach their kids to gun down people.

Just out of curiosity DCal430, what in this thread sounds like people are teaching their kids to gun down people?
 

Tormac

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The local PD has a class when I was a kid. They didn't load a round in the rifle until you were in a good prone position with the rifle on target. Guns aren't dangerous; negligence is dangerous.

I plan on taking both of my kids, but it will be one at a time. They don't have to be gun enthusiasts, but I want to make sure they're comfortable with them.
And education can start long before you get to the range. We could be watching a movie and I'll bring up the 4 rules after a gun scene. Just casually, not a long discussion. It soaks in.

Listen to Clint Smith

That seems like good advice twinrider1. Thanks!
 

Teabaghead

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Why didnt you take him when he was 3?

Am i right in saying that in the USA kids are given a hand gun when born unlike the UK where they get a silver spoon? lol
 

MtnMan

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Took my grandson to the range when he was 10. He loved it and since we had trained him in gun safety before he did fine. First couple of shots, I only put one round in the mag, the let him rack the slide and shoot. Great big grin.

He shot 22lr, 9mm and .40S&W pistols on his first outing.
 

Tormac

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Why didnt you take him when he was 3?

Am i right in saying that in the USA kids are given a hand gun when born unlike the UK where they get a silver spoon? lol

I know you're at least 50% trolling Teabag, but I do not think that a three year old aware enough to recognize how dangerous a firearm is. I would also not allow a three year to have a big knife, a circular saw, or a lawn mower for the same reason.

Not every USAsian is totally crazy (assuming you're from the UK). I know that it feels weird to think of teaching children to shoot a firearm if you view them as "death machines" as another poster has mentioned.

I have been talking about my son, but technically he is my step-son, and grew up in China. He has been taking kung fu since a very young age, and does several demonstration pieces with this big machete looking sword called a "dadao". He is the sweetest natured kid in the world, but always gets this mean, hard look on his face when he is doing his kungfu. It is a little funny and a little scary, a nine year old should not look that hard core. My wife laughs when I asked her about it, and says that the sword is real, but not really that sharp.

It seems strange to me to teach a young kid sword fighting, especially after all the hoops that I had to go through in my 20's when I was taking kempo before I was allowed to take the stick fighting classes. I guess it is just a difference in cultures what people think are strange, and what is normal.
 

MtnMan

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Scary with all of the mass shooting parents want to teach their kids to gun down people.
Pathetic, stupid, and you should turn in your man card (or woman card) for the pansy ass pussy card that Obama lovers carry.
 

Gunslinger08

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Learn about guns yourself before talking to your kid about it and introducing him to guns. You want to be 100% certain that both you and he know all of the ins and outs about gun safety before he ever touches a gun.

Classes are great. If you know someone with a lot of experience, they can help as well, though even some "gun people" have pretty lax gun safety practices. I also recommend Hickok45 on Youtube for a lot of very informative videos. Here's one I had some family members watch before I took them shooting for the first time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQrlDUIZ3f0

I think 9 is a great age for going to the range. Even younger, if you're sure your kid understands the rules and the consequences if they don't follow them. You'll want to start him with smaller caliber rounds. If you can rent a 22 rifle or handgun, do that. Make sure that both you and he understand how that particular gun works, how to load/unload/check it, how to make it safe, etc. Start by loading just 1 round, in case he is surprised by any recoil or fails to keep the gun pointed down range after his first shot. I always do this with new shooters, because they tend to get excited and spin to talk to you after their first shot.

I know you mentioned concealed carry, but consider also buying a rifle and/or shotgun down the line. It's a lot of fun to plink at targets 100 yards away with the accuracy of a rifle or shoot clay pigeons with a shotgun, if you can find a local place that does it.

With a child in your home, please make sure your guns are properly secured. There are a wide variety of safes, large and small, for guns you don't need to access quickly. For a daily carry gun or home defense handgun, there are also some great bedside/nightstand boxes with simple number pad locks that keep the kids out, but make it easy to get to your gun quickly. I personally like GunVault.
 

zinfamous

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No, guns are not weapons until you decide to use them as one. They are tools. Just like a car is not a weapon until someone decides to run down a crowd of people.

I do not own weapons, I own tools for sport shooting and hunting.

correct. guns are tools...designed to kill.

A hammer is also a tool, it is designed to hammer a nail, but has many other uses. Some, in fact, also use a hammer to kill people, but it is not designed to do that.

I would not suggest using a gun to hammer a nail. Not because it is dangerous, but because it would be ineffective. That is not what is designed to do. I also would not suggest trying to apply paint with a gun, or prying up some rotten wood with a gun. It's also not good for picking your teeth (a knife does this pretty well, among other things; though caution is advised)

A hammer, however, is also relatively effective at killing a person when properly applied to do so. It can do other things, of course. It is fair to call a a hammer a multi-use tool. Likewise, a knife is a multi-use tool. It can be applied towards many daily uses and, in fact, some knives are very effective at killing.

A gun is not a multi-use tool. It is designed only to kill. If it is not called a weapon (a tool designed for killing), then it would not be called a gun. It would be inaccurate to call a hammer a weapon, because it is not designed to that. Certainly, it can be used as such, but this is not its only use. Likewise, along this line, it would probably be inaccurate to call a knife a weapon. Many are used as weapons, but many are not ever used as such. Plenty of knives are completely ineffective at killing, in fact.


Therefore, a gun is designed and created to be a weapon and it only ever is a weapon, whether or not it rests on your table unused or is administered in the dispensing of home justice against a suspected perp. Suggesting otherwise is silly and stupid.

Whether or not you're shooting paper targets or buffalo or squatters, it is a killing tool first and only. shooting at paper is merely the necessary practice one should engage in for the purpose of the weapon: dispensing death.

I suggest avoiding the game of semantics when it is played so poorly.

And there is no reason to not admit as much. Why wouldn't you? A gun is a weapon is a weapon is a weapon. Stop being afraid of exactly what it is supposed to do. Treat it with respect. Isn't that what the gun folks say? It really does say something about those that are so invested in protecting their weapons that they go so far out of the way to deny that they are, in fact, weapons. Why is this?

Why is one so worried about themselves or their weapons, to live in this denial? I have weapons in my closet at home. I know exactly what they are for.
 
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Gunslinger08

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correct. guns are tools...designed to kill.

A hammer is also a tool, it is designed to hammer a nail, but has many other uses. Some, in fact, also use a hammer to kill people, but it is not designed to do that.

I would not suggest using a gun to hammer a nail. Not because it is dangerous, but because it would be ineffective. That is not what is designed to do. I also would not suggest trying to apply paint with a gun, or prying up some rotten wood with a gun. It's also not good for picking your teeth (a knife does this pretty well, among other things; though caution is advised)

A hammer, however, is also relatively effective at killing a person when properly applied to do so. It can do other things, of course. It is fair to call a a hammer a multi-use tool. Likewise, a knife is a multi-use tool. It can be applied towards many daily uses and, in fact, some knives are very effective at killing.

A gun is not a multi-use tool. It is designed only to kill. If it is not called a weapon (a tool designed for killing), then it would not be called a gun. It would be inaccurate to call a hammer a weapon, because it is not designed to that. Certainly, it can be used as such, but this is not its only use. Likewise, along this line, it would probably be inaccurate to call a knife a weapon. Many are used as weapons, but many are not ever used as such. Plenty of knives are completely ineffective at killing, in fact.


Therefore, a gun is designed and created to be a weapon and it only ever is a weapon, whether or not it rests on your table unused or is administered in the dispensing of home justice against a suspected perp. Suggesting otherwise is silly and stupid.

Whether or not you're shooting paper targets or buffalo or squatters, it is a killing tool first and only. shooting at paper is merely the necessary practice one should engage in for the purpose of the weapon: dispensing death.

I suggest avoiding the game of semantics when it is played so poorly.

And there is no reason to not admit as much. Why wouldn't you? A gun is a weapon is a weapon is a weapon. Stop being afraid of exactly what it is supposed to do. Treat it with respect. Isn't that what the gun folks say? It really does say something about those that are so invested in protecting their weapons that they go so far out of the way to deny that they are, in fact, weapons. Why is this?

Why is one so worried about themselves or their weapons, to live in this denial? I have weapons in my closet at home. I know exactly what they are for.

Preface: I don't really care about the semantics or think it matters at all in the discussion of private gun ownership.

I think a case can be made that guns are designed to defend, not kill. Killing is one of the potential results of defense. Self defense isn't called "killing other people who try to hurt us" and you will probably be convicted of murder if you shoot someone in self defense and say you were "trying to kill them" instead of "trying to defend a threat against your life." Just as we call the weapons we create for the military "defense". The intended use is not aggression. Some use these weapons for aggression, but I'd say it's not the intent of every weapons maker to kill people.

Speaking of defense, the FBI stats show around 12,000 gun murders each year (on a downward trend for a long time now, even with the huge uptick in gun sales over the past 7 years). Data for defensive gun use varies WILDLY. I've seen up to 4 million defensive gun uses per year. However, even the most conservative estimate I've ever seen is over 80,000 per year. Guns are being used much more frequently to defend victims of crime than to murder.
 
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