Taking kid to gun range

[NutBucket]

Of course, defense can also be defined as pointing a gun in a defensive situation and the assailant leaving as a result....

 

[Ferzerp]

A hammer is also a tool, it is designed to hammer a nail, but has many other uses.

http://me-mechanicalengineering.com/different-types-of-hammers/

<cough> No. There are many hammers designed for other purposes.

A hammer is designed to use its mass in an impact on an object for various purposes.

A gun is designed to propel a (usually lead) projectile very fast. We can't help it if you can only think of a single use for that. That's your problem, not ours.

 

[Teabaghead]

It is pointless for anyone, outside of the USA, to try and argue a case about Gun owning with anyone living in the USA. Its a different culture. Guns should be better controlled in the USA but it wont be easy changing the laws.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Downward trend but upward when it comes to mass shootings with mass deaths!

Not downplaying the tragedy of anyone losing their life, for any reason, but mass shootings are mostly just media hype. 39 people have lost their lives in mass shootings this year out of approximately 12,000 total gun murders. Less than 1/3 of a percent of gun murders this year are from mass shootings. You are much more likely to be murdered by a relative with a gun than in a mass shooting. We just treat mass shootings as huge international news instead of the limited local attention that poor-on-poor or domestic violence gun crime gets.

 

[olds]

I really don't want to live in a world where this type of thinking is necessary.

I'd be just as happy if I didn't own a single gun quite frankly.

Have a 4" stainless S&W 686 or a Ruger GP100 you want to give away?

 

[Pipeline 1010]

correct. guns are tools...designed to kill.

Bullshit. A gun is designed to fire a bullet. That's it. It shoots a bullet. Where that bullet goes is entirely dependent on the user.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Have a 4" stainless S&W 686 or a Ruger GP100 you want to give away?

Nope. I do have an 8" S&W 629 but I'm not giving it away. No plans to sell it at all really.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Of course, defense can also be defined as pointing a gun in a defensive situation and the assailant leaving as a result....

Yes, the incredibly huge majority of defensive gun use doesn't even result in the gun being fired. Usually just brandishing the weapon does the trick.

I often see gun-fearing hoplophobes calling gun owners nuts and crazy and violent and saying that gun owners are just hoping that someone will break into their home so they can satisfy their insane bloodlust by killing the intruder. And yet in most defensive gun uses, the trigger never even gets pulled. This doesn't sound nutty and violent to me, it sounds incredibly level headed and responsible in a tense and dangerous situation. When I consider that pulling the trigger and killing the attacker would be considered legally and morally justified in most of these cases, and that they restrain themselves anyways, it is impossible to view that group of people as violent gun nuts. Anyone who wants to continue to characterize gun owners as violent crazy gun nuts can kindly shut your fucking faces.

 

[NutBucket]

Have a 4" stainless S&W 686 or a Ruger GP100 you want to give away?

Just buy a 686. It really is much nicer than a GP100.

 

[Darwin333]

Personally, I think from the sounds of things you should go yourself for starters and learn range safety and several things before even thinking about bringing your 9 year old along.


Just my two cents.

This. Do not even think about bringing your kid to the range until you yourself are very well versed in range rules and firearm safety. Once you are well versed then you can bring your kid and impart the same knowledge. I let my daughter plink with a .22 around that age but whenever she had a firearm in her hands she had my complete and total attention to ensure she was safe. Her first trip I wouldn't let her pick the gun up until it was already loaded and on the bench in the lane. The entire time she was firing I was right behind her ready to grab the gun if she did anything wrong, which is far easier with a long gun which I suggest you start yours off with too. We went over the rules every single time we went and still do to this day.

The hardest one to drill into her head was "no matter what when you pick up or are handed a firearm YOU check the chamber". She would see me check the chamber before I handed it to her and "knew" it was unloaded, which it was obviously but not the point.

At that age, start your training at home. Show your child your gun, talk to them about it and tell them what they are supposed to do if they ever see it or any other gun (don't touch it, tell an adult, etc...).

 

[IronWing]

Taking a gun to kid ranges seems to be frowned upon so I guess this is a better option.

 

[MrSquished]

No, guns are not weapons until you decide to use them as one. They are tools. Just like a car is not a weapon until someone decides to run down a crowd of people.

I do not own weapons, I own tools for sport shooting and hunting.

whether for more or less gun control, comparing a gun to a car is stupid. a car's primary purpose is to trasport humans and things from point a to point b. it can kill people but that is not its primary purpose.

a gun exists because it is a killing machine. both of animals and people. that is its primary purpose. sports shooting is secondary.

 

[MrSquished]

I think a case can be made that guns are designed to defend, not kill. Killing is one of the potential results of defense. Self defense isn't called "killing other people who try to hurt us" and you will probably be convicted of murder if you shoot someone in self defense and say you were "trying to kill them" instead of "trying to defend a threat against your life." Just as we call the weapons we create for the military "defense". The intended use is not aggression. Some use these weapons for aggression, but I'd say it's not the intent of every weapons maker to kill people.

are you kidding me? the only reason a gun is good for self-defense is that it's a thing designed to be really good at killing living things. that is it's de facto primary role. i don't think the intent of every weapons maker is to kill people, but their primary intent is to make a gun really good at doing so, because that is what defines a good gun.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

http://me-mechanicalengineering.com/different-types-of-hammers/

<cough> No. There are many hammers designed for other purposes.

A hammer is designed to use its mass in an impact on an object for various purposes.

A gun is designed to propel a (usually lead) projectile very fast. We can't help it if you can only think of a single use for that. That's your problem, not ours.

Someone make a steel trap light switch. I wanna flip the lights on an off for a bit.

 

[IronWing]

http://me-mechanicalengineering.com/different-types-of-hammers/

The blacksmiths' hammer he shows is fail. The basic blacksmiths' hammer has a flat to very slightly convex square face, often polished, on one end and a straight peen on the other end for drawing out metal.

 

[nisryus]

Damn, how did the thread turned into something else..

Anyway. Thanks all. I have signed up for a class with friends at one of the local range. Should be fun as I have never even touch a gun (rifle, and gun.. etc) before. The excitement!

Once I have more experience, and maybe when the kid is a few years older, i will then take him along. First got to show him daddy can do it and it is safe and can be fun.

Yeah, totally need to remember to get ear plugs.

 

[pcslookout]

I am so glad when a thread does this!

 

[Fenixgoon]

Damn, how did the thread turned into something else..

Anyway. Thanks all. I have signed up for a class with friends at one of the local range. Should be fun as I have never even touch a gun (rifle, and gun.. etc) before. The excitement!

Once I have more experience, and maybe when the kid is a few years older, i will then take him along. First got to show him daddy can do it and it is safe and can be fun.

Yeah, totally need to remember to get ear plugs.

if you plan on shooting quite a bit, i would invest in some ear muffs. they are much more comfortable IMO and easier to take on/off.

 

[DCal430]

Just out of curiosity DCal430, what in this thread sounds like people are teaching their kids to gun down people?

The ONLY purpose a gun has is to murder, maim, and caused devastation. When you teach your kids to use a gun, you teach them to do those things.

STOP trolling in OT. -Admin DrPizza

 

[balloonshark]

whether for more or less gun control, comparing a gun to a car is stupid. a car's primary purpose is to trasport humans and things from point a to point b. it can kill people but that is not its primary purpose.

a gun exists because it is a killing machine. both of animals and people. that is its primary purpose. sports shooting is secondary.

And yet the vast majority of bullets hit targets rather than humans in the U.S.

I wonder how many vehicle deaths we have compared to gun deaths in the US?

Honestly shooting a gun is very fun. It's even better if taught by someone who knows what they're doing. It's one of those things everyone should try at least once before they die. IMHO it's much safer than getting in your car and taking a trip to the grocery store. I'm 10x more afraid of getting killed by an idiot driving with a cell than I am getting shot and killed in my lifetime.

 

[Gerle]

The ONLY purpose a gun has is to murder, maim, and caused devastation. When you teach your kids to use a gun, you teach them to do those things.

The user, rather than the weapon, is what matters. There are examples of teens home alone having stopped home invasions, thereby preventing who knows what kind of horrible crimes, by knowing how to use guns. What now, hoplophobe?

 

[sourceninja]

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[dabuddha]

Damn, how did the thread turned into something else..

Anyway. Thanks all. I have signed up for a class with friends at one of the local range. Should be fun as I have never even touch a gun (rifle, and gun.. etc) before. The excitement!

Once I have more experience, and maybe when the kid is a few years older, i will then take him along. First got to show him daddy can do it and it is safe and can be fun.

Yeah, totally need to remember to get ear plugs.

I bought some noise cancelling ear muffs from Amazon. I remember paying about $25-$30. They work really great. You can have a conversation with someone easily and it blocks noises above a certain decibel level. Only thing is if someones shooting rapidly at the range, you can't hear conversations since it's busy blocking all the noise coming in. But worthy investment and very comfortable.

 

[mvbighead]

One thing I would add to this conversation is that, with younger kids, a BB gun is likely a wise investment. You can teach proper handling and a number of other things. If they do anything wrong, the damage is extremely minimal, especially with the type that don't have CO2 (spring action I believe).

I know growing up we started off with toy guns, then BB guns, and then moved our way to shotguns. We hunt pheasants, ducks, deer, etc, so shotguns were the family gun of choice. But if you're trying to teach a kid how to properly use a gun, starting with a BB gun make a LOT of sense:

http://www.amazon.com/Daisy-980340-...ie=UTF8&qid=1449670300&sr=1-3&keywords=bb+gun

 

[MrSquished]

And yet the vast majority of bullets hit targets rather than humans in the U.S.

I wonder how many vehicle deaths we have compared to gun deaths in the US?

Honestly shooting a gun is very fun. It's even better if taught by someone who knows what they're doing. It's one of those things everyone should try at least once before they die. IMHO it's much safer than getting in your car and taking a trip to the grocery store. I'm 10x more afraid of getting killed by an idiot driving with a cell than I am getting shot and killed in my lifetime.

If you think a gun was invented to put holes into paper you are a fool. They have hole punchers for that. Yes target practice is a use for guns. However it is not it's primary rule of existence. And target practice is a way to hone skills with a gun, to make it's primary role of existence more reliable - and that is to put holes in living things to cause them serious damage.

I am also more afraid of getting hit on the road by an idiot driver than getting shot by a gun. Still doesn't change what the primary role of a car is vs a gun.