Taliban Giving Up Bin Laden to NA & US.......

[pulse8]

<< Patriotism is not waving a flag, and it is not saying you're patriotic. Yet, most Americans after 9-11 believed we were at one with God and our country because we attached a $2.99 flag to our car. Speaking of which, have you noticed those flags are now, for the most part, no longer flying? Sadly, we are patriots of convenience. >>



Doesn't that contradict yourself? You say that patriotism isn't waving a flag or proclaiming that you are, but then you say that because the flags aren't flying anymore, we aren't patriots anymore.

 

[ShadowHunter]

<< Great, lets spend more money to pay off killers instead of using it for your own people in the US.
The war is costing 1 billion a month.....while ss will be broke and there are people starving and homeless in the US, not to mention we are in a recession, our schools are underfunded and our streets and highways are falling apart. >>



Dumbass

 

[burnedout]

And, of course, the US media has never been know to sensationalize a story for ratings, have they? By any chance, were these "reports"
shown during sweeps week?

No. In fact I remember a very candid interview with a Palestinian who assisted in the selection and training of the young people. I believe it was on 60 minutes. The Palestinian was being held in an Israeli prison.

He went into great detail about how the bombers were selected and trained. This particular person who trained these young people seemed as rational and intelligent as any normal person in the West.

I believe it aired on 60 minutes 2 years ago. Before the Intifada.

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

People, we haven't won anything yet. Even if we get bL and his henchmen, there are still a number of problems to work out. Like Iran in the last quarter of the last century, this is going to be an foriegn policy hotbed for the next 20 years.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< Patriotism is not waving a flag, and it is not saying you're patriotic. Yet, most Americans after 9-11 believed we were at one with God and our country because we attached a $2.99 flag to our car. Speaking of which, have you noticed those flags are now, for the most part, no longer flying? Sadly, we are patriots of convenience. >>

Of course you are wrong. Patriotism is as strong now as it was on 9/12/01. Hell it must be if Bush is still as popular as he was right after the WTC attacks. No slam on Bush, but if Americans weren't as patriotic as they are now you'd see some decline in his popularity, especially after some of the bad Economic news we've been getting which, BTW, is not necessarily his fault. Of course in more normal times that wouldn't matter as the blame always goes to those in charge (as does the credit when things are good)



<< Yet, most Americans after 9-11 believed we were at one with God >>

Wrong again, we felt victimized. It had nothing to do with being "One with God" In fact it was religious freaks who thought they were doing "God's work" that launched the attack. Don't mistake Patriotism for Religious beliefs and it mixes as well as oil and water.

 

[Dukota]

Q]<< Patriotism is not waving a flag, and it is not saying you're patriotic. Yet, most Americans after 9-11 believed we were at one with God and our country because we attached a $2.99 flag to our car. Speaking of which, have you noticed those flags are now, for the most part, no longer flying? Sadly, we are patriots of convenience. >>[/i] >>



I hung my flag just after I got up on Sept 11 and heard the news of the attacks. It is still flying outside my house and will remain there until the cleanup is complete in NY. Not everyone is a patriot of convenience.

 

[Zwingle]

ShadowHunter -


<< Dumbass >>


That was the best you could comeback with?

 

[Amused]

Carbo,

Folks here are discussing issues based on the best sources of information they have. To simply discredit that information with nebulous claims that all these sources are incorrect and part of a grand propaganda conspiracy only harms your credibility, not theirs.

What you're doing is called "poisoning the wells" and is an invalid argument. I don't know why you're doing this, but normally you seem pretty level headed. Today you seem very agitated and disagreeable.

In short, you're thread crapping for thread crappings sake, and it gets really annoying.

 

[Amused]

<<

<< if you had couple million to spare, you could >>


Great, lets spend more money to pay off killers instead of using it for your own people in the US.
The war is costing 1 billion a month.....while ss will be broke and there are people starving and homeless in the US, not to mention we are in a recession, our schools are underfunded and our streets and highways are falling apart. >>



Oh good gawd, talk about propaganda. Show me ONE 'starving' person in the US. Just one.

Oh, and BTW, your streets are funded LOCALLY, as are schools for the most part.

 

[aphex]

i would like to urinate on Mr. Bin Laden

 

[compuwiz1]

<< Taliban Giving Up Bin Laden to NA & US....... >>




Sorry, but that article is a long way from any definitive proof that Bin Laden is being turned over.

 

[ToBeMe]

<< Stop reading the National Enquirer for your news reports. Nobody is giving up bin Laden. That's US propaganda and wishful thinking.
That fact that this crap is floating around out there is indicative of the lack of understanding that the West has for the Middle East mindset.
They are, generally speaking, fanatical in their beliefs. They are willing to die for their beliefs. They are not like most Americans with their "me first" attitude, too wrapped up in their personal concerns. Have you noticed the wave of 'patriotism" that occured immeditely after 9-11 has already vanished? >>


Hmmm, for US propaganda it sure is everywhere............

• 
  UK PRESS ASSOCIATION
  BLOOMBERG
  PAKISTAN WIRE
  PAKISTAN BROADCASTING
  ISLAMIC REPUBLIC WIRE
  ITAR-TASS
  KYODO WIRE
  PR NEWSWIRE
  ABC NEWS
  C-SPAN
  BBC
  FOX NEWS
  CNN EUROPE
  CNN ASIA
  ETC.........
  
  Go search for yourself big guy................why wouldn't they "give him up" for 10 MILLION??????????
  LOL! They're defecting like rabbits breading and giving up other vital information (reported even in Iran & Pakistan) but you think someone won't give up these two huh????? Interesting...................

 

[jjones]

<< People, we haven't won anything yet. Even if we get bL and his henchmen, there are still a number of problems to work out. Like Iran in the last quarter of the last century, this is going to be an foriegn policy hotbed for the next 20 years. >>


definately, agree. while the current happenings are certainly going the right direction, even long term solutions about afganistan are very unsure and the outcome of the political makeup of the country is up for grabs at the moment. this is still going to take a lot of diplomatic effort on the part of everyone involved.

not to mention, as you say, the rest of the mideast in which we are continually embroiled. the only long term solution is finding an acceptable agreement between the arab world and the israelis which, to this point, has proven itself very elusive and seems likely to remain so for the forseeable future.

hopefully, this current atmosphere of cooperation against terrorism will provide momentum leading towards some sort of serious effort in resolving the israeli/arab conflict. but i think that's probably too optimistic.

 

[Kojak]

Carbo, where are you getting your information?

Not every Taliban member is a loyal follower to Bin Laden and I sure some of those fighters were eager to jump sides and offer information for a payout. Some fighters were forced into service, while others might have joined to remain get a meal or paycheck. However, my sources are from the American propagnda media machine.

"Me first" attitude. Hell yes, that is how you survive. Do you think Osama is not thinking of himself first? Look at the pictures in Afghanistan of how the Taliban cared about their citizens. Once again I got my information from American media, so I am sure it is all propaganda.

 

[tcsenter]

<< They are not like most Americans with their "me first" attitude, too wrapped up in their personal concerns. Have you noticed the wave of 'patriotism" that occured immeditely after 9-11 has already vanished? >>

Ah, the voice of ignorance. While there are no 'high ranking' Taliban officials who would likely give Bin Laden up, there were a few Muslim clerics and mid-ranking Taliban members known to dislike Bin Laden's presence in Afghanistan and would have just as soon seen him leave. They are in a minority, but they're there. When the Taliban were still in a position to exert cohesion, the dissenters fell in line with the rest. Now that things are falling apart, the Taliban can no longer keep their thumb on dissent.

<< Patriotism is not waving a flag, and it is not saying you're patriotic. Yet, most Americans after 9-11 believed we were at one with God and our country because we attached a $2.99 flag to our car. Speaking of which, have you noticed those flags are now, for the most part, no longer flying? Sadly, we are patriots of convenience. >>

Wait a minute, if patriotism is not affixing a flag to our car, then not having a flag affixed to a car couldn't be any measure of patriotism. Do you always speak in paradox?

 

[clarkmo]

<< They are, generally speaking, fanatical in their beliefs. They are willing to die for their beliefs. They are not like most Americans with their "me first" attitude, too wrapped up in their personal concerns. Have you noticed the wave of 'patriotism" that occured immeditely after 9-11 has already vanished >>


No , I haven't noticed. What have you noticed and what did you use to notice it? How can you possibly tell how deep emotions are running? Your observations are purely theoretical. They have no basis in reality.


<< Patriotism is not waving a flag, and it is not saying you're patriotic. Yet, most Americans after 9-11 believed we were at one with God and our country because we attached a $2.99 flag to our car. Speaking of which, have you noticed those flags are now, for the most part, no longer flying? Sadly, we are patriots of convenience. >>


For someone who seems to make only theoretical observations you're not much of a deep thinker, are you? First, it's not flag waving and then it's the lack of flag waving. Which is it? Or is any observation of yours used merely to support your book learned theories. Anything that can be used to support your holy "rebelness".


<< Do you have proof of this? Or are you believing everything the gov't tells you? The gov't will tell us whatever it takes to keep us wanting this war going on and keep Bush' ratings up. Whatever to pacify the people's lives. The media is public relations for the US Gov't. >>


I'd believe it before I believe anything you say. Starving in America? Please, what a pin head. If ou're gonna disagree with the government, go ahead. But use your brain please. Be constructive. Don't take a stance just because it's anti status quo.
Birdbrains of a feather flock together.

 

[clarkmo]

<< There are laws that keep the US Gov't fom taking Saddam out >>


His situation's going to change. He's on the list. His days are numbered. He went too far.
I know it seems to be common knowledge that a goverment and it's resources was needed to carry out the WTC/Pentagon attacks. Maintaining these folks on a suicide attack for over a year is a sophisticated operation. These guys had to be handled all the way through. It wasn't just hatred for the U.S. that kept them motivated and going on. Yup, looking at the latest published photos of Osalami, you can tell from the expression on his face that his confidence is waning. I am looking forward to see Saddam's face with that same expression.

 

[Pocatello]

Carbo slammed poeple for waving flag, then slammed people for not waving flag. You just can't make carbo happy.

 

[Carbo]

<< You just can't make carbo happy. >>

Sure, you can. Take my mother in law, please!

 

[ToBeMe]

<<

<< You just can't make carbo happy. >>

Sure, you can. Take my mother in law, please! >>


What's she look like????? I have a single "friend" whom is looking and owes me some $$$$$$! LOL!

 

[olkeskustelut]

Patriotism is not putting a flag on your car. It is love for your country and what it stands for. In all honesty, waving the flag is not patriotism. It is a symbol of patriotism. People's patriotism was challenged by 9-11. They felt the need to SHOW the patriotism they had. I myself did not buy or display a flag because I know the love I feel for the US, and do not feel the need to prove it.
Buying a flag just supported people who saw a quick buck in the terrorism. There is a flag in front of every US Government building, and I only have to walk a few feet out my door to see one. When I look at it, it has and always will remind me of this country and what makes it great. Not everyone in this country feels as patriotic as I do, but the #1 thing that makes this country great is that most people are, and would fight and die to defend it.

 

[Cyberian]

<< there were many times during the civil war that battles were won by a simple pay-off. allegiances amongst
the groups are not as strong as one may be led to believe. if you had couple million to spare, you could
buy them off, secure a village for yourself, even lead a small unit of happy bloodthirsty fundamentalists. >>


Can you actually 'buy' them, or just rent them?