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Gillbot

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For that small of a driveway I think an electric should work fine. I've cleared out a driveway 3x that size before with an electric one that had over a foot of snowfall. It wasn't fun, but it was worlds better than shoveling.

Electric single stage blowers are light, easy to use, and require zero maintenance. You might have to make two passes (or keep up on a heavy snowfall throughout the day instead of waiting till it's done) with a single stage electric but for an area that small they work better than many people give them credit for.

And yes, I have a 26" dual stage beast sitting in my garage, but that's because I now have a driveway that's close to 3000 sq/ft.
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Yeah, I'm also a little concerned about them having to store a huge 2-stage snowblower. I'm not sure they have room in their garage to store one, whereas with an electric only weighing 30 or 40 lbs, he could find room or even hang it from the garage ceiling.

Still mulling it over. I see the points about the 2 stage blowers but I'm concerned that's overkill for us and I've yet to find a NEW 2 stage blower between $400 and $500.

I hang up my electric in the garage when I don't use it or put it on a shelf in the shed.
 

PsiStar

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I had a neighbor with multiple health issues and who was all about running his snowblower. I started volunteering using it for him ... his wife & sister inlaw totally took my lead. All we needed to imagine was his keeling over in the driveway when I was next door shoveling my driveway. At least this way I could use his blower on mine which was much smaller, and we felt that we were lessening his demise.

Does it make sense to find the neighbors who will clean the driveway for him????
 

Ausm

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Ok, the wife and I are considering purchasing a belated Christmas gift for my father in-law -- a snowblower (we thought he had one). They live in the Ft. Wayne, Indiana area (about 125 miles northeast of Indy) and get a decent amount of snow ever year. Their driveway is extremely small (holds about 4 standard cars) but the FIL is 62 years-old and shovels it by hand, which worries both of us since he has a pacemaker and has had 2 heart attacks. He's the kind that would never buy a snowblower for himself.

For this kind of work, I don't think a 2 stage snowblower is necessary. An electric unit would probably work, but I don't think he'd like that. Any recommendations on a single-stage unit? Let's say we want to spend in the $400 to $500 range.



Holyfuck X 3!
 

PingSpike

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Damn you. I'm seriously considering one, and I don't need you locals convincing me to shell out $1000

My driveway is kind of steep and narrows toward the bottom, and slopes off from the left side. My garage faces the driveway head on, too, so it's really hard for the plow to do a great job. He basically has to push snow off the left slope or leave it on the turnaround, and the right side always has more for me to shovel - the side my wife parks on and the side where the walk up to our front door is. So I've really been considering a snow blower because I can do a better job.

You have about as much driveway to clear as I do, minus my slope. I'm considering an Arians 928LE, which is backordered right now. Think I could get away with something smaller, or is that about the size for that much driveway?

The first year I moved to my house I had a plow guy that did my place for $20 a pop. Was a pretty good deal really. But the guy kept showing up at 8am when I left for work a half hour earlier usually. I mean, if you don't want to drive around in the dark, don't open a plowing business. I was only like 4-5 miles from his house too. That combined with the fact that the 4-5" plowing schedule meant my FWD car struggled occasionally to escape the driveway meant it just wasn't really working for me. I had a walkway as well so I bought a pretty expensive snow blower (it snows a lot here) and parted ways with the plow guy. It snowed a ton that year and even though I dropped $1500 on the blower I think it probably close to paid for itself. If not the first year, it definitely had by the second.

It sucks going out of course, but one really good thing about a snow blower is it pretty much can always get the job done. In heavy snowing years you have to plow more often then you have to snowblow during a storm, and if you run out of space to plow the snow you have to call in a bucket loader or wait until spring or something. I've cleaned up 2-3' of snow with that blower before (all fell at once so I couldn't get to it in between) it was working like a dog the whole time and I had to go back over the area twice because it collapsed in as I went through...but it did it. You can even clean up packed shit you already blew most of the time (even if its semi frozen because you were to lazy before) as long as you just bite off small chunks at a time. It takes awhile, but it can do it. And even if the banks are super high on the sides you can just throw the snow over it, whereas a plow would just start running out of space. It has a tendency to drive over the top of some kinds of frozen snow, but if you really have to you can ram the skid shoes into it and break it up. It sucks but it can still get it done if you have the time and desire.

I will say that a plow seems like a better tool for light/small snow falls because if I blow those I feel like I'm just going for a walk around the driveway not doing much other than wasting a lot of time. But if I leave the snow to long I risk it partially melting and then refreezing as a sheet of ice. And the blower never gets all the snow anyway since it can't scrape right to the ground, especially if you have gravel.

For the OP though I think one of those electrics might be the way to go as long as huge snowfalls are pretty rare. The 30-40 pound weight would probably be really good for some one with a heart condition. As others have said, the snow blower is self propelled so it does most of the moving itself but you still have to muscle the thing around corners and some types of snow as well as into and out of the garage. And I know from experience bringing the thing in for service is a nightmare because at something like 250 pounds tossing that thing in the back of a truck is no simple feat. My wife is still mad at me about catching a bit air driving my running blower up a couple boards into the back of my brother's truck. And I don't even know how I would have gotten that thing up there if it didn't start.
 

Charles Kozierok

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On the matter of a snowblower being an investment...

In 1998 my family moved from suburbia to a remote place in the mountains. We took a huge pay cut to do this and had to give up a lot of luxuries. But since the place can get snow from early October to late May, the one place I splurged was the snowblower.

I bought an Ariens 36" monster with a 13 HP engine and battery start. The thing is a beast, and it really can move a lot of snow a long way. Used it for 7 winters, and then it sat outside for another 6 years, covered (sorta) with a tarp, after we moved to town.

We were using a plow service here in town, but I grew disenchanted with both the cost and the way the guy made a big mess of things, so I "fired" him and, with the help of a neighbor, brought the 300 lb beast into town to see if I could get it working again. Took it to a small engine repair place, and after a new battery and some cleaning, the guy says it is in close to new condition. Repair bill was under $150.

I keep it under cover now and figure it should be good for at least another 15 years.

Only thing I don't like is that it has the old screw-type mechanism for moving the chute, which is slow to use and always gets clogged up with ice.

Ironically, I think it is actually worth more now than when I bought it, even with depreciation, because the new ones are like $2500+.
 

Sho'Nuff

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Damn you. I'm seriously considering one, and I don't need you locals convincing me to shell out $1000

My driveway is kind of steep and narrows toward the bottom, and slopes off from the left side. My garage faces the driveway head on, too, so it's really hard for the plow to do a great job. He basically has to push snow off the left slope or leave it on the turnaround, and the right side always has more for me to shovel - the side my wife parks on and the side where the walk up to our front door is. So I've really been considering a snow blower because I can do a better job.

You have about as much driveway to clear as I do, minus my slope. I'm considering an Arians 928LE, which is backordered right now. Think I could get away with something smaller, or is that about the size for that much driveway?

The 928LE will be a good size for you if your driveway is like mine. You will be able to do the main part of the driveway in 4-5 passes, and then you will have to spend about the same amount of time clearing the little spot in front of your garage. A smaller unit would get the major part of the driveway done in 1-2 more passes, but it would easier near the garage. Problem is, once you get below 27", it is hard to find a blower with a strong engine. Most of the little units are 4-6 HP, and I wouldn't go with anything less than 8 or 9. I have 927LE, and I think it packs 9HP. It eats through anything (even heavy stuff) without fail.

If you go Ariens, buy it from a local small machine shop. The units in Home Depot often have less durable parts (e.g., aluminum vs. stainless steel gear case), despite bearing the same model number. To me that was worth paying the extra $50 bucks or so at the small shop. Plus the small guys will deliver the blower to your house . . . sometimes for free. That is a HUGE plus given how much they weigh.
 
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IndyColtsFan

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Holyfuck X 3!

He's a tough old bird -- he had a knee replaced last year and was out doing yard work literally a few weeks later despite all of us telling him to pay someone to help. If we lived closer, I would've worked his yard for him.
 

Gillbot

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don't mess with electric

I heard that about a hundred times before I bought mine, yet not one person who said it had a valid reason as to WHY you shouldn't get an electric. Nor did they ever actually USE or OWN an electric prior to making such a statement.

My electric works very well, and the hundreds of $ I saved over a gas one was well worth the extra time it may take for me to clear the driveway.
 

vi edit

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they are weak, batteries go bad after awhile, etc...

Batteries? Uh they plug in. No batteries required. As far as power, it's all about the right tool for the job. There's a LOT of people running around with dual stage blowers that have zero need for them but bought them anyway because some blowhard told them that's what they needed to buy.

If you live in a heavy snowfall area, sure dual stage makes sense. If you have an enormous amount of area to cover, dual stage makes sense...although I could argue that there are even better ways to do that.

But for lighter snowfall areas and for small drives an electric works fine and requires zero upkeep after you are done with it for the year.
 

zephyrprime

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Don't get electric. They suck. The driveway is not the only thing that needs shoveling. You also have walkways and etc.
 

Gillbot

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they are weak, batteries go bad after awhile, etc...
Once again, without experience you can't make a recommendation on them. I have one, it works great and it doesn't even have a battery! Plugs right in to the wall!
Batteries? Uh they plug in. No batteries required. As far as power, it's all about the right tool for the job. There's a LOT of people running around with dual stage blowers that have zero need for them but bought them anyway because some blowhard told them that's what they needed to buy.

If you live in a heavy snowfall area, sure dual stage makes sense. If you have an enormous amount of area to cover, dual stage makes sense...although I could argue that there are even better ways to do that.

But for lighter snowfall areas and for small drives an electric works fine and requires zero upkeep after you are done with it for the year.
Yeah. I agree. Everyone tried to talk me into a 2 stage and for the price, it just wasn't worth it. $129 shipped vs. 500+? I really need a snow blower MAYBE 2-3 times a year and I live just south of Cleveland. Unless you get some REAL snow, a 2 stage gas really isn't needed.
Don't get electric. They suck. The driveway is not the only thing that needs shoveling. You also have walkways and etc.
Yet another post with ZERO info as to why they are a bad idea.... Have you ever tried to wrestle a heavy 2 stage gas up a few steps onto a walkway to clear it off? How about up a few steps onto a deck or patio? My electric sure clears them off without problem and it's light as can be. I can carry it up onto my deck one handed!!
 

waggy

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Yet another post with ZERO info as to why they are a bad idea.... Have you ever tried to wrestle a heavy 2 stage gas up a few steps onto a walkway to clear it off? How about up a few steps onto a deck or patio? My electric sure clears them off without problem and it's light as can be. I can carry it up onto my deck one handed!!

exactly. my 2 stage is great. but it is a pain in the ass to use. no way would i try to get it up steps to the porch area. i have a shovel for that.
 

Gillbot

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exactly. my 2 stage is great. but it is a pain in the ass to use. no way would i try to get it up steps to the porch area. i have a shovel for that.

I get that a 2 stage is "better", but it's not always better for everyone. I have enough driveway that a 2 stage gas would be nice so I don't have to fight with 150' of extension cord BUT the extra cost to me isn't worth it. My neighbor has a 2 stage gas and he maybe uses it once a year. The rest of the time, it's too much hassle to get it out, get it started and wrestle it around. Then he can only do his driveway and he borrows my electric to do his back deck and walk ways.

He said if he could do it again, he'd go electric like I did so he could handle it easier and do his walkways. Plus he would have saved like $1000. D:
 

IndyColtsFan

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Don't get electric. They suck. The driveway is not the only thing that needs shoveling. You also have walkways and etc.

Did you miss the post where I talked about my electric snowblower and clearing a driveway (3 car garage and probably 60 ft long) with an electric with no issues? And my patio? And my walkways?
 

waggy

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I get that a 2 stage is "better", but it's not always better for everyone. I have enough driveway that a 2 stage gas would be nice so I don't have to fight with 150' of extension cord BUT the extra cost to me isn't worth it. My neighbor has a 2 stage gas and he maybe uses it once a year. The rest of the time, it's too much hassle to get it out, get it started and wrestle it around. Then he can only do his driveway and he borrows my electric to do his back deck and walk ways.

He said if he could do it again, he'd go electric like I did so he could handle it easier and do his walkways. Plus he would have saved like $1000. D:

i get that. didn't say 2 stage was good for everyone. not for a old ah heck anyway. they are a pain to use.

i love my 2 stage. but i live in Northern IL and my driveway faces the north and we get some bad drifts. usually 3-4 ft tall. it really sucks ass.

though i do wish i just got an addone for my tractor instead. it cost more but it would have been better.

if i can find one i want an ATV with a plow or thrower attachment.
 

SunnyD

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2 stage self propelled == good for those nice long country driveways with turnarounds that are as wide as a 2 lane road when you live off one of the snowbelts in the great lakes regions and often wake up to a fresh "dusting" of 6" of heavy, wet lake effect snow every morning that would give a healthy teenager a heart attack to shovel. The kind I grew up on.

Electric is perfect for those small 1 car-length single car or two car wide urban/suburban driveways in the land of townhouses and condos that get maybe an inch or two of that light dry fluffy snow overnight every few days in the colder climates during the winter.

Then there's the somewhere in between, where you simply use your better judgement.

Pick the right tool for the right job.
 

Gillbot

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Did you miss the post where I talked about my electric snowblower and clearing a driveway (3 car garage and probably 60 ft long) with an electric with no issues? And my patio? And my walkways?

I clear my 2 car wide, over 120' long one with my electric. Then I clear off my deck and walkways in the front and back. No way I could do that with a gas one.
 

waggy

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2 stage self propelled == good for those nice long country driveways with turnarounds that are as wide as a 2 lane road when you live off one of the snowbelts in the great lakes regions and often wake up to a fresh "dusting" of 6" of heavy, wet lake effect snow every morning that would give a healthy teenager a heart attack to shovel. The kind I grew up on.

Electric is perfect for those small 1 car-length single car or two car wide urban/suburban driveways in the land of townhouses and condos that get maybe an inch or two of that light dry fluffy snow overnight every few days in the colder climates during the winter.

Then there's the somewhere in between, where you simply use your better judgement.

Pick the right tool for the right job.

exactly. my 2 stage is self propelled. though i wish i spent the extra $300 for self turning (and heated hand grips!).

but i had already spent$1200 i think.
 

vi edit

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And yes, the most awesome snow thrower are the front mounted PTO types that you can put on tractors. 54" of snow destroying and flinging fury those things are. They have a chute big enough on them to pass a watermelon.

But eff me they are expensive. It's like $3500 to buy one for the front of my Kubota. An end loader is only $2000 and a blade is only $1000. I just don't get enough snow here in central IL to justify it.
 

Gillbot

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exactly. my 2 stage is self propelled. though i wish i spent the extra $300 for self turning (and heated hand grips!).

but i had already spent$1200 i think.

THAT is the main reason alone I didn't go with gas. A "good" one was going to run me 10x the cost of my electric!
 

waggy

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THAT is the main reason alone I didn't go with gas. A "good" one was going to run me 10x the cost of my electric!

yeah. sad part is i purchased the previous years model (got it in the summer) so i got like $500 off.

they are around $2k for them.

I have a Toro powermax. something like 300cc engine, self propelled, electric start etc.

but like i said i get some nasty drifts and some deep snow (fucking lake effect bullshit).


Though this year i haven't had to use it yet.
 

Gillbot

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We can get lake effect, but i'm far enough south that it's minimal unless the wind blows just right. If I could find a decently priced plow for my tractor i'd get that instead.
 
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