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cardiac

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I live about 75 miles to the west of the OP's family, and we do get a crap load of lake effect snow from Lake Michigan, and it is usually wet/heavy. A good quality, small, 2 stage would be the best bet. Something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Ariens-920402-...ower+two+stage

If you stick with name brand stuff, such as Ariens, parts are easy to find at a local lawn and garden shop.
 

PingSpike

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My wife bought me this for Christmas. I wasn't really happy when I saw it and thought it was a joke. But we had lots of snow last week and I got a chance to use it. I'd say I had between 5 and 8 inches on the driveway (depending on drifts, etc). I would say that for 5 inches or below (maybe even 6), it has no problem at all and sliced right through it. For the areas that were 8 to 10 inches, I generally had to run over them twice to get it all. It is surprisingly powerful but I wonder how long it will really hold up. I suppose if I get 3 or 4 years out of it, I'll count myself happy. Where I'm at, we don't have many large snowfalls so this guy will probably be fine for me.

If you live in a place like Colorado, Michigan, or upstate NY, I wouldn't recommend it. If you live in a place like I do, it will probably be fine for everything but the largest of snowfalls and it can generally handle anything up to 10 inches, though it might take a couple of passes. After I initially plowed the 8 inch snowfall off the driveway last week, we had another snowfall of about 4 inches. My snowblower had NO issues clearing the driveway with that. The other nice thing about it is that it is very small and light -- I have no problem lifting it and moving it around (it weighs 30 or 40 lbs) and was able to lift it to an elevated porch and clear it off.

That doesn't sound to bad at all for what it is. I have a pretty large area to clear and get a lot of snow but I've actually thought about getting a backup or something less serious for the lighter snow falls. The biggest drawback to that thing is the cord of course. But at 30-40 pounds I could use it on my deck....which honestly usually just ends up abandoned by the end of winter. My current snowblower weighs close to 300 pounds, I ain't lifting that thing up and dropping it on the deck. The throw distance on it sounds bad with wet snow but what can you expect really.

Older snow blowers have shear pins that break when you hit stuff, I'm not sure how the new ones all handle this but mine just has some sort of handling in the gear box that means no pins are used. Occasionally I suck up a fist sized chunk of asphalt that it lets fly and scares the crap out of me and of course it also throws a decent amount of gravel on my lawn all the time. Its never clogged on me though, not once...and it came with a stick for clearing clogs. Its a Toro but I know those aren't the cheapest so it probably isn't in the price range for what your FIL wants.
 

sjwaste

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If it snows infrequently, you could always hire a plow if they have those services in your area. I'd never used one in VA, but in Maine pretty much everyone has a plow guy in my neighborhood. I'm paying $30 a plow - small storms generally plow once, bigger ones twice. He does a nice job, I have a steep driveway about 80' long to the curb that opens up to a two car garage.

I've considered getting a snowblower, but it'd take years to pay itself back. I still shovel a little - the front walk from the driveway to the mudroom door, and also a couple feet in front of each garage door since the plow can't get that close obviously.
 

IndyColtsFan

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If it snows infrequently, you could always hire a plow if they have those services in your area. I'd never used one in VA, but in Maine pretty much everyone has a plow guy in my neighborhood. I'm paying $30 a plow - small storms generally plow once, bigger ones twice. He does a nice job, I have a steep driveway about 80' long to the curb that opens up to a two car garage.

I've considered getting a snowblower, but it'd take years to pay itself back. I still shovel a little - the front walk from the driveway to the mudroom door, and also a couple feet in front of each garage door since the plow can't get that close obviously.

That's why I never bought a snowblower -- I was paying kids in the neighborhood $30 to do the work. This electric one will pay back much faster and should be adequate for me.

My father-in-law would never pay someone to do the work, which is part of the problem.
 

sjwaste

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That's why I never bought a snowblower -- I was paying kids in the neighborhood $30 to do the work. This electric one will pay back much faster and should be adequate for me.

My father-in-law would never pay someone to do the work, which is part of the problem.

What I'm suggesting is, you find the plow and have the bill come to you. At least in my case, it's all post-paid. My plow guy is also my landscaper during our 3 months of non-winter, and he just sends me a bill at the end of the month.

Then you gotta trick your FIL into waiting for the plow, though. That might be harder than convincing him to use the snowblower instead of the shovel.

Parents are difficult.
 

IndyColtsFan

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I live about 75 miles to the west of the OP's family, and we do get a crap load of lake effect snow from Lake Michigan, and it is usually wet/heavy. A good quality, small, 2 stage would be the best bet. Something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Ariens-920402-...ower+two+stage

If you stick with name brand stuff, such as Ariens, parts are easy to find at a local lawn and garden shop.

Yeah, I just think that's a little more than we'd like to spend. If you guys feel that it is that important to get a 2 stage for such a small area, I can talk to my wife and maybe it is something she and her brother can go in on next Christmas.
 

PingSpike

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I think if wet heavy snow is at all common the two stage is the way to go but having never owned or used a single stage I don't know how deserved their reputation for lameness really is. I will say even in wet snow mine still throws it pretty far...not as far but I don't think its worse than a 30% loss of distance.
 

Lemon law

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I have a 8 HP two stage and really need it some 30 miles north of Indianapolis. Its not that I get that much snow, but even a 4 inch snow can pile up 3 foot drifts in parts of my driveway. And other parts of my driveway will have no snow because the win will blow it away.

But even 3 feet drifts are no problem, just put it in low and it goes right through. In a dry show the I can throw snow at least 15 feet, but in a wet snow it will only throw it about three feet,

The other thing to note is, if you get a gas powered snow thrower, get an engine with an electric start. Gas engines don't like starting in cold temperatures. Or at least my gas engine has a hard time.
 

Gillbot

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That's why I never bought a snowblower -- I was paying kids in the neighborhood $30 to do the work. This electric one will pay back much faster and should be adequate for me.

My father-in-law would never pay someone to do the work, which is part of the problem.
I bought mine, because I usually have to go to work before the plow guy is out so it's time that's more valuable to me. And at the $129 SHIPPED I paid for my electric, It's more than paid for itself in the dozen or so times i've used it as opposed to calling a plow guy @ $20-30 a pop.
I think if wet heavy snow is at all common the two stage is the way to go but having never owned or used a single stage I don't know how deserved their reputation for lameness really is. I will say even in wet snow mine still throws it pretty far...not as far but I don't think its worse than a 30% loss of distance.

I don't think the singles are that bad really. I think people just get too aggressive and try to go through it too fast. That's where a two stage can really shine, but if you keep a good pace, my single works plenty well enough considering the cost savings over a 2 stage and infrequency of use. Now if I lived in Buffalo or something...... I may think differently but here we get maybe 2-4 good snows per year so the $500 or so for a good name brand two stage, maintenance, storage and upkeep wasn't worth it to me.
 

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Well, I'm not really familiar with snowblowers so I'm not sure which are considered good ones. The little electric I have would probably work for him, but I don't think he would really like it so I'm leaning towards gas-powered.

Make sure that it has electric start. As we get past 50, using the pull cord is stressful. After 60, it becomes work.
 

PsiStar

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I did not read thru all the posts, but it seems there are 2 trends electric or 2 stage gas which are worlds apart. And, at this late date, only big models are left > $500 but not by a whole lot.

*I* suggest 2 stage gas with electric start. With the snow fall he can get (I searched for it) the 2 stage really moves it. The electric start which is a plug in to 120VAC saves him swearing about you when he does need to use it.

Electric might be ok if he doesn't feel the need to completely clean the driveway or wouldn't mind to make a 1 hour job 4. BUT if you do go electric, ensure that he has adequate extension cords that can handle the current. You should probably include that in your purchase.

My friends in Cherry Hill NJ use electric. In CT, it is the gas 2 stage.
 
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Sho'Nuff

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Fucking overkill for what the old guy does. a decent electric one will do the job.

Agreed. Since the FIL is older and has cardiac issues, weight should be a concern too. A 2 stage 8HP blower weighs at least 150lbs. Probably more. I have an Ariens 927LE and it is a bit of a workout when I use it to clear my driveway. Granted my driveway is 130 feet long, but the turns are really what get you.
 

Lemon law

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Agreed. Since the FIL is older and has cardiac issues, weight should be a concern too. A 2 stage 8HP blower weighs at least 150lbs. Probably more. I have an Ariens 927LE and it is a bit of a workout when I use it to clear my driveway. Granted my driveway is 130 feet long, but the turns are really what get you.
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Maybe you forget weight is somewhat irrelevant, since that 150 pound monster is fully self propelled with forward and reverse gears. Maybe point granted, a super light weight machine
Makes a right turn possible, but in my kind of snow a light weight machine could not handle more than 6" inches of show. So to make that rare right turn, I put it into in reverse, back up, and a few reps of that get me a 90 degree turn, While taking thrice the snow depth and twice the width of a wimpy light weight. And if I only have 6" of snow I don't even bother because my car will go through that no problem.
 

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Annual snowfall makes a big difference too. If he is in an area that gets just a few feet over the coarse of the winter well the throw doesn't really need to be that great, but here in WNY where we will get 200+ inches of snow over a winter you really need to have that blower throw the snow a distance or you WILL run out of places to put that snow. I bought a smaller cub cadet 2 stage thrower that is self propelled with zeroturn that worked great for a few years and I got tons of snow.

Now I have a Polaris Sportsman with a plow and that works much better. Might be able to pick up something older like that on craiglist for ~800. And its fun to ride when there is no snow!

Hope you find something that works for him!
 

Sho'Nuff

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Maybe you forget weight is somewhat irrelevant, since that 150 pound monster is fully self propelled with forward and reverse gears. Maybe point granted, a super light weight machine
Makes a right turn possible, but in my kind of snow a light weight machine could not handle more than 6" inches of show. So to make that rare right turn, I put it into in reverse, back up, and a few reps of that get me a 90 degree turn, While taking thrice the snow depth and twice the width of a wimpy light weight. And if I only have 6" of snow I don't even bother because my car will go through that no problem.

Dude, I have a 200+lb snowblower. It is farking heavy. Sure, when it is going in a straight line it requires little more than a finger to guide it. But turning requires significant effort. And I have a model where you can squeeze a lever and disengage power to the right wheel. That makes the turns easier, but you still have to control the damn thing so it doesn't whip around. And then there is the issue of moving it into the garage (something I don't do while the engine is running). I've used it 40+ times since winter 2007, the last time being this past weekend. So, I remember its operation quite well.

FWIW, I'm not a wimpy guy either. I'm 35, 6' 2", 225lbs. A bit softer than I used to be (was a pretty good athlete at one time), but I can still throw some weight around. That said, I'm not going to pretend that even a moderate size 2 stage snowblower is light as a feather and takes no effort to use. Sure, its not the hardest thing to use. But when the operator has had multiple heart attacks and ongoing cardio issues, I'm inclined to recommend a lighter, easier to use machine that is safer for the operator to use, even if it is less capable. Particularly when the driveway in question is as small as the one the OP is talking about.
 
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Sho'Nuff

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If it snows infrequently, you could always hire a plow if they have those services in your area. I'd never used one in VA, but in Maine pretty much everyone has a plow guy in my neighborhood. I'm paying $30 a plow - small storms generally plow once, bigger ones twice. He does a nice job, I have a steep driveway about 80' long to the curb that opens up to a two car garage.

I've considered getting a snowblower, but it'd take years to pay itself back. I still shovel a little - the front walk from the driveway to the mudroom door, and also a couple feet in front of each garage door since the plow can't get that close obviously.

You might be surprised at how quickly the ROI on a snowblower can be. I bought mine in 2007, and have used it 40+ times. At $30/plow, I recouped its cost two winters ago. Its not as convenient as a plow guy, but I actually like snowblowing and think I ultimately do a better job than a plow guy would. Plus it lets me blow snow into a huge pile for my kids to play on .
 

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For that small of a driveway I think an electric should work fine. I've cleared out a driveway 3x that size before with an electric one that had over a foot of snowfall. It wasn't fun, but it was worlds better than shoveling.

Electric single stage blowers are light, easy to use, and require zero maintenance. You might have to make two passes (or keep up on a heavy snowfall throughout the day instead of waiting till it's done) with a single stage electric but for an area that small they work better than many people give them credit for.

And yes, I have a 26" dual stage beast sitting in my garage, but that's because I now have a driveway that's close to 3000 sq/ft.
 

IndyColtsFan

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For that small of a driveway I think an electric should work fine. I've cleared out a driveway 3x that size before with an electric one that had over a foot of snowfall. It wasn't fun, but it was worlds better than shoveling.

Electric single stage blowers are light, easy to use, and require zero maintenance. You might have to make two passes (or keep up on a heavy snowfall throughout the day instead of waiting till it's done) with a single stage electric but for an area that small they work better than many people give them credit for.

And yes, I have a 26" dual stage beast sitting in my garage, but that's because I now have a driveway that's close to 3000 sq/ft.

Yeah, I'm also a little concerned about them having to store a huge 2-stage snowblower. I'm not sure they have room in their garage to store one, whereas with an electric only weighing 30 or 40 lbs, he could find room or even hang it from the garage ceiling.

Still mulling it over. I see the points about the 2 stage blowers but I'm concerned that's overkill for us and I've yet to find a NEW 2 stage blower between $400 and $500.
 

sjwaste

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You might be surprised at how quickly the ROI on a snowblower can be. I bought mine in 2007, and have used it 40+ times. At $30/plow, I recouped its cost two winters ago. Its not as convenient as a plow guy, but I actually like snowblowing and think I ultimately do a better job than a plow guy would. Plus it lets me blow snow into a huge pile for my kids to play on .

Damn you. I'm seriously considering one, and I don't need you locals convincing me to shell out $1000

My driveway is kind of steep and narrows toward the bottom, and slopes off from the left side. My garage faces the driveway head on, too, so it's really hard for the plow to do a great job. He basically has to push snow off the left slope or leave it on the turnaround, and the right side always has more for me to shovel - the side my wife parks on and the side where the walk up to our front door is. So I've really been considering a snow blower because I can do a better job.

You have about as much driveway to clear as I do, minus my slope. I'm considering an Arians 928LE, which is backordered right now. Think I could get away with something smaller, or is that about the size for that much driveway?
 
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Interesting thread.

I know my parents are interested in getting a snowblower. But given my dad's health, I don't think a 150lb+ gas-powered snowblower would be the best choice (and with steps to get to the walkways, it would be too heavy for them to lift). Any decent electrics? My parents only have maybe an 600-800sqft (fits only 3 sedans), straight driveway and some small walkways and they live on Long Island, which doesn't get tremendous amounts of snow at a time (usually).
 

waggy

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Yeah, I'm also a little concerned about them having to store a huge 2-stage snowblower. I'm not sure they have room in their garage to store one, whereas with an electric only weighing 30 or 40 lbs, he could find room or even hang it from the garage ceiling.

Still mulling it over. I see the points about the 2 stage blowers but I'm concerned that's overkill for us and I've yet to find a NEW 2 stage blower between $400 and $500.

that's another good point. my huge 2-stage blower does take up a lot of room. i had to buy a 2nd shed . All that goes in it is my riding mower and the snow blower. nothing else fits.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Interesting thread.

I know my parents are interested in getting a snowblower. But given my dad's health, I don't think a 150lb+ gas-powered snowblower would be the best choice (and with steps to get to the walkways, it would be too heavy for them to lift). Any decent electrics? My parents only have maybe an 600-800sqft (fits only 3 sedans), straight driveway and some small walkways and they live on Long Island, which doesn't get tremendous amounts of snow at a time (usually).

My wife bought me this one for Christmas:

http://www.amazon.com/Greenworks-260...ks+snow+blower

I am amazed at how it works. The cord is a PITA, but if you don't mind that, I'd give it a shot. I just ordered a heavy-duty, 100 ft, all-weather cord for it too which should make it easier than the two 25 ft outdoor cords I had connected together.

Cord: http://www.amazon.com/US-Wire-99100-...l+weather+cord

The unit VI posted looks nice too -- it doesn't cut as wide a path as mine but it will handle deeper snow. I think I am going to talk to my wife and maybe we'll take the chance on an electric for him and order the one VI linked. Since it is a Toro, he might be less skeptical than a Greenworks one.
 
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