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Genx87

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at first blush, this seems to have devastating consequences. are you saying these consequences are worth it to delay the inevitable?

Been doing this for decades. This isnt something new. There is always a risk for environment damage when doing any kind of extraction.
 

SunnyD

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Been doing this for decades. This isnt something new. There is always a risk for environment damage when doing any kind of extraction.

Yeah... ask the folks in Pennsylvania and West Virginia that thought they would reap in the royalties off leasing their mineral rights to the gas companies that went fracking under their properties.

And you all thought the Love Canal was bad...
 

wirednuts

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i wish we would just switch over to natural gas. i know it wouldnt be that much cheaper then oil but at least we would have about 1000 years to figure out fusion power and carbon nanotube supercapacitors.
 

Genx87

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Yeah... ask the folks in Pennsylvania and West Virginia that thought they would reap in the royalties off leasing their mineral rights to the gas companies that went fracking under their properties.

And you all thought the Love Canal was bad...

Are we going to stop progress because something bad happened?

There is a risk in nearly everything. Fracking presents risks, but it can also present a lucrative benefit.

But forget it, lets continue down the path of reliance of foreign oil. That has only got us into two major wars in the past 2 decades and killed thousands of our military and untold people around the world. Because we wouldnt want to risk 14 homes in pennsylvania having hydraulic contamination.
 

Genx87

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i wish we would just switch over to natural gas. i know it wouldnt be that much cheaper then oil but at least we would have about 1000 years to figure out fusion power and carbon nanotube supercapacitors.

NG and oil are typically in the same fields. If you are extracting NG, may as well get the oil as well.
 

iGas

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Its a shame the "progressives" in government will never allow this new drilling method to see the light of day.

Its so nice how they say we need to "get off" foreign energy and then stone wall all economically viable options.
The water sure is strong in your area. Shale gas extraction isn't an easy business. They have drilling problem including leaks and explosion as well as water contamination.

Gas Well Explosion Sends 7 To Hospital; Flames 70 Feet High

2 killed in gas well explosion in western Pa.

About Two Dozen People Killed or Injured in Two Separate Gas Explosions in West Virginia and Texas
 

iGas

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NG and oil are typically in the same fields. If you are extracting NG, may as well get the oil as well.
There are some oil in most NG fields, however salt domes, coal beds, and shale contained very little to no oil.
 
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Been doing this for decades. This isnt something new. There is always a risk for environment damage when doing any kind of extraction.

i'm not sure the practice is worth expanding, since i expect nuclear power to rebound as wind, solar and others begin to make significant increases in production. the long-term future does not include natural petrochemicals as an energy source. gas, oil and coal will increase in value as building components, and current supplies will last much longer once a good alternative to gasoline (over 50% of every barrel) is found and agreed upon.
 

wuliheron

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Promoting this as domestic production that will help free us from reliance on the major oil producing countries is laughable. The US exports oil as well as importing it and these are huge international companies that owe no allegiance to anyone. They wouldn't hesitate to sell the oil to China or any other country if they could make a buck.
 

Kadarin

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Correct answer from a geopolitical standpoint: We should continue to buy foreign oil in order to use up their reserves before we touch ours.
 

lxskllr

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Promoting this as domestic production that will help free us from reliance on the major oil producing countries is laughable. The US exports oil as well as importing it and these are huge international companies that owe no allegiance to anyone. They wouldn't hesitate to sell the oil to China or any other country if they could make a buck.

^^^ This

Oil is dead technology, and instead of finding destructive ways of extracting every last drop, we need to be finding alternatives while there's still breathing room. Waiting until we're fucked before finding an alternative is stupid, but I expect that's exactly what'll happen :^S
 

WHAMPOM

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A new drilling technique is opening up vast fields of previously out-of-reach oil in the western United States, helping reverse a two-decade decline in domestic production of crude.


Companies are investing billions of dollars to get at [COLOR=#366388 ! important][COLOR=#366388 ! important]oil [COLOR=#366388 ! important]deposits[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] scattered across North Dakota, Colorado, Texas and California. By 2015, oil executives and analysts say, the new fields could yield as much as 2 million barrels of oil a day — more than the entire Gulf of Mexico produces now.


This new drilling is expected to raise U.S. production by at least 20 percent over the next five years. And within 10 years, it could help reduce oil imports by more than half, advancing a goal that has long eluded policymakers.
"That's a significant contribution to [COLOR=#366388 ! important][COLOR=#366388 ! important]energy [COLOR=#366388 ! important]security[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]," says Ed Morse, head of commodities research at Credit Suisse.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110209/ap_on_re_us/us_shale_oil_3

Is this as good as the plan to harvest petroleum from shale by five kiloton A-bombs?
 

KIAman

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If we were Soviet China, we would have done this 30 years ago.

I think we need to think of better solutions. On one hand, we need to stop our reliance on foreign oil and on the other hand, we want NIMBY.
 

BoomerD

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Hydraulic fracturing should be illegal. It has the potential to cause horrendous environmental damage...and has done so many times.

BUT, the politicians are all in the pockets of "Big Oil," so it ain't gonna happen.
 

wirednuts

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simple fact is the sun supplies multiple times more energy then we use. we just have to harvest it, and the only reason we dont is because of corporate greed.
 
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simple fact is the sun supplies multiple times more energy then we use. we just have to harvest it, and the only reason we dont is because of corporate greed.

the reason we don't is because the sun provides us with about 1 watt/sq meter. not nearly enough, even under the best of circumstances. are you going to cover the entire country with panels, including farmland? they are pretty worthless under a foot of snow, too.
 
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lxskllr

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the reason we don't is because the sun provides us with about 1 watt/sq meter. not nearly enough, even under the best of circumstances.

It doesn't have to be all or nothing. There's no reason the sun can't be used to take some of the load off the petroleum infrastructure. Layer several alternative technologies, and it'll put a heavy dent in our fossil fuel needs. All or nothing is a losing mindset.
 

yh125d

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Yahoo News, where we discuss methods that have been in use in the petroleum industry for 50 years and label them "new"


zzzzzzzzzz.....
 

bfdd

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Good, but it WILL eventually run out .. needs to spend those billions on finding new sources of energy.

2 million barrels of oil a day is a lot of oil and a lot of money. those billions being invested in this will pay off 10 fold and that money will be used to fund new sources of energy.
 

0roo0roo

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at first blush, this seems to have devastating consequences. are you saying these consequences are worth it to delay the inevitable?

meh, sometimes sometimes not, there are cases where bad gas fracking occurs, but there are a whole lot of others were it is fine.

like it or not we need the stuff.

better than sending more money to the middle east.

and you cannot predict the future. i'm sure at some point we were worried we would be running out of trees to burn for fuel, and that the streets would be too filled with horse shit with everyone owning a horse when the time comes it comes, big deal. the price of oil will rise and the alternatives either become viable or they dont. what are you worried about? that the alternative energy is unworkable ever?
 

yh125d

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sourceninja

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Hydraulic fracturing is one of the scariest technologies I've ever read about. Water is the most valuable resource we have on the planet, fucking it up is never a good idea. I can live without oil, I can't live without safe drinking water.
 
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