Can you point me at a article or care to comment on the inaccuracies of the movie gasland?
how much do any of you really know about this process?
we are pumping fluid and chemicals( fairly low concentrations most of the time) 10 to 15000 feet into the earth, into rock formations that already have the ability to trap gas and oil under huge pressures. we are regulated to run cement bond logs to insure that the casing of the well is sealed above and below each zone. I have even had BLM people in my truck while running cement bond logs to monitor them.
the countries natural gas production in three of our biggest fields ( pinedale anticline, waumsutter, johna ) would be next to nothing without hydraulic fracturing.
we have been doing this for a long,long time. there is nothing new happening. my state does regulate it and requires each fracturing company to tell the state what is in the chemicals/fluid that is being pumped underground. also, i believe that they require the oil companies to support periodic ground water tests for these chemicals. I have never heard of a positive test. we have water treatment facilities in each of the fields mentioned, they bring the water back to drinking quality and then we re-use the treated water in the oilfield. i can only speak of the fields here, but we do manage our wast pretty effectively. the pinedale field has a collection system, they string long plastic pipes to each location where we are working and we pump the wast directly to the treatment facility so that we do not have to use trucks or risk spills.
do you have any questions that you do not want answered by some alarmist news article?
Yet it won't cause prices to go down and only serve to rip up the environment in those states even more than we already have. Way to go, progress! Making corporations richer one welfare case at a time.
You know, I've traveled through Nevada, Utah, and Wyoming several times, along some of the badlands that have lots of oil, gas, and mining. Stopping off at these little towns to get gas or lunch, out in the middle of nowhere, on several occasions there were a bunch of hot young women there, some getting fuel, some buying lunch, usually at least two girls per car. On two occasions, there were about eight of them at this little gas station/convenience store/food mart. These were NOT straggly looking truck stop hookers.Unemployment in North Dakota has fallen to the lowest level in the nation, 3.8 percent — less than half the national rate of 9 percent. The influx of mostly male workers to the region has left local men lamenting a lack of women. Convenience stores are struggling to keep shelves stocked with food.
we do re-use the water that we flow back during completions operations. the water normally pumped back into the formation is water that is produced with the gas after completions operations is done and the well is producing gas. water from the fracturing operations is cleaned and re-used.
here is an article that my girlfriend wrote about the environmental improvements in a local field:
http://www.mywesttexas.com/business/oil/article_86293b57-aa9d-5cbc-b9fd-da6bb651c53f.html
I can see it now...either:
The US uses this to steal oil from Mexico and Canada...or
Canada and Mexico steal oil from the US.
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By the way, nothing would make me happier than to tell the middle east to shove their oil up their ass and then charge them $200 per bushel of corn!
Anybody watch the documentary Gasland? You can watch it in parts on youtube.
Hydraulic fracturing is bad.
how much do any of you really know about this process?
we are pumping fluid and chemicals( fairly low concentrations most of the time) 10 to 15000 feet into the earth, into rock formations that already have the ability to trap gas and oil under huge pressures. we are regulated to run cement bond logs to insure that the casing of the well is sealed above and below each zone. I have even had BLM people in my truck while running cement bond logs to monitor them.
the countries natural gas production in three of our biggest fields ( pinedale anticline, waumsutter, johna ) would be next to nothing without hydraulic fracturing.
we have been doing this for a long,long time. there is nothing new happening. my state does regulate it and requires each fracturing company to tell the state what is in the chemicals/fluid that is being pumped underground. also, i believe that they require the oil companies to support periodic ground water tests for these chemicals. I have never heard of a positive test. we have water treatment facilities in each of the fields mentioned, they bring the water back to drinking quality and then we re-use the treated water in the oilfield. i can only speak of the fields here, but we do manage our wast pretty effectively. the pinedale field has a collection system, they string long plastic pipes to each location where we are working and we pump the wast directly to the treatment facility so that we do not have to use trucks or risk spills.
do you have any questions that you do not want answered by some alarmist news article?
i have only seen parts of the movie, and i have read about it in quite a few articles. This site seems to stick to the differences in the laws and regulation that are easy to verify yourself. http://www.energyindepth.org/2010/06/debunking-gasland/
to add: the burning water coming from taps has shown to be from wells or pipelines that leak, not from fracturing or chemicals introduced into the well at the time of completions.
Yet it won't cause prices to go down and only serve to rip up the environment in those states even more than we already have. Way to go, progress! Making corporations richer one welfare case at a time.
Yes, that's what I said.they could be there to find a man with money...
Well there you go, if a documentary was done about it, and especially if it appeared on 60 Minutes, it must therefore be true. Nobody does highly slanted political or ideological hit jobs masquerading as "documentaries" or "investigative news" (especially not 60 Minutes). There's no money in it. See how much of a failure Michael Moore's "documentaries" have been.Yeah I watched the documentary on it, they also did an episode of 60 minutes about it too if I recall correctly.
what is your expertise level techs?
where is the arsenic on your list? which compound is it in?
i happen to work on frac locations quite a bit of the time, i see how much they pump, i see the amount of chemicals they use. the millions of gallons of water to the maybe 100 gallon totes of chemicals that get filled maybe once per well. a lot of the things we use where i work are also organic, the gel we use is a powder made from a plant for instance. they do not disclose it because it is information that the other frac companies would love to get ahold of. most of the chemicals we use around here are for reducing friction in the wellbore. also, many of the chemicals listed are only things found in very small quantities in what we are using, not the actual chemical that is being used.
the amount we frac, at least around here has not changed that much in many years.
so... industry sponsored website is not credible but gasland is?
help me find a site that is not sponsored by an environmental group or industry with information that is true. I am looking for one, if you find one please post it. I have had little luck so far.
:awe:As someone who relies on the NG business to have a job, I must say that techs' accusations are ludicrous!
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Though I have to admit they are not my allegations. They are the EPA's, The Ohio Department of Natural Resources, Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection and a bunch of silly scientists who actually don't believe in intelligent design.
Oh, and the other dozens of documented incidents where fracking has polluted groundwater. Just Googlefu.
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Though I have to admit they are not my allegations. They are the EPA's, The Ohio Department of Natural Resources, Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection and a bunch of silly scientists who actually don't believe in intelligent design.
Oh, and the other dozens of documented incidents where fracking has polluted groundwater. Just Googlefu.
Why do you hate America so much?
I don't hate America. I just love clean water. Maybe its a fetish?
I don't hate America. I just love clean water. Maybe its a fetish?
Prolly. I've lived in a town with absolutely horrid water quality for 20 years now. I'm used to bottled
Well, Scientific American and the EPA, not to mention Haliburton, BJ Services and Schlumberger disagree with you:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/01/us-congress-fracking-diesel-idUSTRE70U88K20110201
The probe of diesel use in hydraulic fracturing, a practice that has allowed drillers to tap abundant shale gas, found that oil services firms such as Halliburton and BJ Services, which was bought by Baker Hughes Inc, injected millions of gallons of fluids containing the fuel into wells between 2005 and 2009. A total of 12 companies were cited in the probe for using diesel without proper permits.
In 2003, the Environmental Protection Agency entered into a voluntary agreement with Halliburton, BJ Services and Schlumberger to eliminate the use of diesel fuel in hydraulic fracturing fluids injected into coalbed methane wells.
http://www.ombwatch.org/node/10353
EPA Finds Secret Fracking Chemicals in Drinking Water
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has discovered numerous pollutants in well water near gas drilling sites, including chemicals that are used in a controversial technique called hydraulic fracturing, or fracking. The investigation in central Wyoming is the first water testing by EPA examining the impacts of gas drilling on drinking water. However, EPA is hobbled in its duty to protect the public because gas drillers are allowed to keep secret the chemicals they pump into the ground toxic chemicals that may be entering ground water supplies.
Responding to years of complaints of water contamination and illnesses from citizens in rural Wyoming, the EPA investigated the water quality of 39 wells surrounding a small community besieged by gas drilling. The agency found a range of contaminants, including arsenic, copper, vanadium, and methane gas in the water. Many of the substances are found in various fluids used at drilling sites. EPA scientists are acknowledging the growing body of evidence linking hydraulic fracturing to numerous cases of contamination and health problems.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=fracking-to-free-natural-gas-10-02-28
In addition to water use, there's the problem of what to do with the brine and chemicals left over afterwards. Bad drilling lets natural gas seep up to drinking water aquifers and wells, causing some taps to literally burn . And independent testing has shown toxic gas levels hundreds of times higher than safe limits in nearby DISH, Tex.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=natural-gas-make-water-burn
Drilling for natural gas has caused explosions, polluted aquifers and even burning water
But a string of documented cases of gas escaping into drinking water in Pennsylvania and other states is raising new concerns about the hidden costs of this economic tide and strengthening arguments across the country that drilling can put drinking water at risk.
Near Cleveland, Ohio, a house exploded after gas seeped into its water well. The Ohio Department of Natural Resources blamed a nearby gas wells faulty cement casing and hydraulic fracturing a deep-drilling process that shoots millions of gallons of water, sand and chemicals into the ground under explosive pressure for pushing methane into an aquifer and causing the explosion.
In Dimock several drinking water wells have exploded and nine others were found with so much gas that one homeowner was told to open a window if he planned to take a bath. Dishes showed metallic streaks that couldnt be washed off and tests also showed high amounts of aluminum and iron, prompting fears that drilling fluids might be contaminating the water along with the gas. In February the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection charged Cabot Oil & Gas with two violations that it says caused the contamination, theorizing that gas leaked from the well casing into fractures underground.
So basically, you're someone with no technical knowledge at all regurgitating what you've been told, like a true believer.
how much do any of you really know about this process?
we are pumping fluid and chemicals( fairly low concentrations most of the time) 10 to 15000 feet into the earth, into rock formations that already have the ability to trap gas and oil under huge pressures. we are regulated to run cement bond logs to insure that the casing of the well is sealed above and below each zone. I have even had BLM people in my truck while running cement bond logs to monitor them.
the countries natural gas production in three of our biggest fields ( pinedale anticline, waumsutter, johna ) would be next to nothing without hydraulic fracturing.
we have been doing this for a long,long time. there is nothing new happening. my state does regulate it and requires each fracturing company to tell the state what is in the chemicals/fluid that is being pumped underground. also, i believe that they require the oil companies to support periodic ground water tests for these chemicals. I have never heard of a positive test. we have water treatment facilities in each of the fields mentioned, they bring the water back to drinking quality and then we re-use the treated water in the oilfield. i can only speak of the fields here, but we do manage our wast pretty effectively. the pinedale field has a collection system, they string long plastic pipes to each location where we are working and we pump the wast directly to the treatment facility so that we do not have to use trucks or risk spills.
do you have any questions that you do not want answered by some alarmist news article?
i have only seen parts of the movie, and i have read about it in quite a few articles. This site seems to stick to the differences in the laws and regulation that are easy to verify yourself. http://www.energyindepth.org/2010/06/debunking-gasland/
to add: the burning water coming from taps has shown to be from wells or pipelines that leak, not from fracturing or chemicals introduced into the well at the time of completions.