Tattoo parlor files lawsuit against video game maker for using player tattoos in game

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Lifer
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I think it's ridiculous for someone to claim rights to depictions of other people just because they gave them a tattoo. Should a hair stylist be allowed to sue for any commercial use of image of their client's hair?
 

RPD

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this is a stupid lawsuit and hopefully they lose.

I don't see how they can win. it's part of kobe and they have a license to use him.

Next we'll have law suits of clothing company's claiming the same thing.
 

Worthington

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If I buy a piece of art from my local artist, hang it on my living room wall and then put my house on the market do I (or Zillow, whatever) have to pay that artist every time a picture of my living room is viewed? No, correct..? The artist has already been compensated for his or her work.
 

pete6032

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If I buy a piece of art from my local artist, hang it on my living room wall and then put my house on the market do I (or Zillow, whatever) have to pay that artist every time a picture of my living room is viewed? No, correct..? The artist has already been compensated for his or her work.
Just make sure if you take photos not to have NBA 2K16 on in the background.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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This is a very interesting copyright claim. Im not sure exactly how this one should pan out.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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If I buy a piece of art from my local artist, hang it on my living room wall and then put my house on the market do I (or Zillow, whatever) have to pay that artist every time a picture of my living room is viewed? No, correct..? The artist has already been compensated for his or her work.


Its different. A more accurate example would be if you have that art on your wall and then rent your house out to a film production do they have to pay the artist for using the art in their film?

Honestly I think the answer is still no.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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what an absurd lawsuit.

right up there with "rectangles with rounded corners."


unfortunately that's the court system.

You need to protect your end content but in a situation like this the artist could stand to have MORE work from people seeing these tattoos and wanting the same artist and researching who did what. A tattoo artist is paid to provide a service. They are not making a product (unless they release limited or not limited prints of their design).
 

master_shake_

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unfortunately that's the court system.

You need to protect your end content but in a situation like this the artist could stand to have MORE work from people seeing these tattoos and wanting the same artist and researching who did what. A tattoo artist is paid to provide a service. They are not making a product (unless they release limited or not limited prints of their design).

exactly.

call it free advertising.

unless you mean someone is going to bring in a screenshot of nba 2k16 and say i want this tattoo please.

in that case google images is your friend.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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well because of the game more people will be exposed to his work. A google search from someone who wants that tattoo could bring him more work. Sounds like the guy is a good tattoo artist but not good at business.
 

Elixer

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So, where are the barber's lawsuits from hair likeness that they did, those designs are art, are they not?
What about the dentist that made that grill on their teeth, those are also art...

SUE SUE SUE!
 
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exactly.

call it free advertising.

unless you mean someone is going to bring in a screenshot of nba 2k16 and say i want this tattoo please.

in that case google images is your friend.
So as long as you're doing something seemingly positive for the artist, you're allowed to commit copyright infringement?
 

Brian Stirling

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So, when the tattoo is in the form of a likeness of someone or something then are the tattoo artists liable to be sued and have to pay damages? Seems to me if the tattoo artists win they will ultimately lose even bigger when THERE work is called into question.


Brian
 

master_shake_

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So as long as you're doing something seemingly positive for the artist, you're allowed to commit copyright infringement?

the people who made nba 2k16 paid for the players likeness in the videogame.

that is a fact.

tattoos are on the players.

the tattoos are part of the players likeness.

the people who made nba 2k16 paid for the players likeness in the videogame.

tattoos are on the players.

the tattoos are part of the players likeness.

the people who made nba 2k16 paid for the players likeness in the videogame.

tattoos are on the players.

the tattoo artists don't have a leg to stand on.

ipso-facto free advertising.

and exactly no copyright infringement.

i hope this doesn't get settled of court and take-2 just buries them with lawyers money and papers.

probably trying to get a payday.
 
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Ns1

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One could argue that the tattoo artist retains the rights to their artwork, and that the NBA player did not have the right to license out said artwork as part of their likeness.

the people who made nba 2k16 paid for the players likeness in the videogame.

that is a fact.

tattoos are on the players.

the tattoos are part of the players likeness.

the people who made nba 2k16 paid for the players likeness in the videogame.

tattoos are on the players.

the tattoos are part of the players likeness.

the people who made nba 2k16 paid for the players likeness in the videogame.

tattoos are on the players.

the tattoo artists don't have a leg to stand on.

ipso-facto free advertising.

and exactly no copyright infringement.
 

Red Squirrel

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lol and some people think IP laws arn't broken. What a ridiculous lawsuit. What about the people who get tattoos and they're visible to public, is that copyright infringement too? I mean, they are technically broadcasting the copyrighted material to everyone to see.

I wonder if open source tattoos will become a thing now. lol
 

Ns1

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lol and some people think IP laws arn't broken. What a ridiculous lawsuit. What about the people who get tattoos and they're visible to public, is that copyright infringement too? I mean, they are technically broadcasting the copyrighted material to everyone to see.

I wonder if open source tattoos will become a thing now. lol

I imagine the next wave of money hungry players will come into tattoo parlor with contracts telling the tattoo artist they agree to sign over any/all rights to the underlying artwork.
 

Red Squirrel

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I didn't know so many people were on the "artists are crooks and should work for free" camp.

They did not work for free, I'm sure the person who got the tattoo paid for it. Nobody is loosing money because that tatoo ends up in a video game. It's not any different than that person walking around in public.
 

master_shake_

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One could argue that the tattoo artist retains the rights to their artwork, and that the NBA player did not have the right to license out said artwork as part of their likeness.

you could argue it, if you had something posted or had the client sign something to that effect.

but with this case, all they have is hearsay.
 

Rakehellion

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the people who made nba 2k16 paid for the players likeness in the videogame.

The player doesn't own the rights to someone else's artwork.

If NBC shows a game and the player wears a nike jersey, do they have to get a licensing deal with Nike to show that game? I think not.

This is no different, the game is just accurately depicting the likeness of the player, which includes the tattoo.

Yes. And that isn't the same thing at all.

And stop dodging the question: Should EA have to pay Nike to use the Nike logo in their video game? Should EA have to pay money to use the NBA logo in their video game?
 

Ns1

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you could argue it, if you had something posted or had the client sign something to that effect.

but with this case, all they have is hearsay.

the player would be the one that needs to come up with a contract saying the tattoo artist has signed over the rights, not vice versa.

And stop dodging the question: Should EA have to pay Nike to use the Nike logo in their video game?

I imagine that yes, yes they did.

I cannot speak for game development studios, but most certainly in movies/tv those brands are contacted and then licensed. If no license is granted the brand is blurred out, changed, or simply not shown.
 

master_shake_

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The player doesn't own the rights to someone else's artwork.



Yes. And that isn't the same thing at all.

And stop dodging the question: Should EA have to pay Nike to use the Nike logo in their video game? Should EA have to pay money to use the NBA logo in their video game?

then isn't it the player who's on the hook.

they should have known, right?

take 2 should sue them for omission and breach of the contract they both signed.

ignorance of the law is not a defense.
 

Rakehellion

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Isn't the artwork technically owned by the player though? I mean it's their skin, and I'm pretty sure Tattoo parlors were compensated when the player paid for it at the shop.

No. You don't own the rights to Wolverine just because you bought a T-shirt with his face on it.
 
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