Tattoo parlor files lawsuit against video game maker for using player tattoos in game

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JSt0rm

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lol and some people think IP laws arn't broken. What a ridiculous lawsuit. What about the people who get tattoos and they're visible to public, is that copyright infringement too? I mean, they are technically broadcasting the copyrighted material to everyone to see.

I wonder if open source tattoos will become a thing now. lol


We all know you pirate the fuck out of everything and do so thinking that its because ip laws arent what you demand but this case has nothing to do with ip laws being broken. This guy could bring a lawsuit whenever he wanted.
 

Ns1

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Here are some other people's thoughts

Since then there have been several copyright disputes involving tattoos. In 2012, a tattoo artist who inked mixed-martial-arts fighter Carlos Condit sued video game maker THQ Inc. for depicting Condit’s lion tattoo on a game character resembling the fighter. Also, the National Football League Players Association has warned players to seek copyright waivers from their tattoo artists to guard against lawsuits in the event images of the tattoos are used—intentionally or not—in advertisements, video games and other media.

Lawyers foresee copyright waivers becoming a fixture in tattoo parlors. “I don’t doubt that in many larger tattoo parlors it will become standard that some type of document is presented to those who are going to have tattoos put on them stating that those tattoos have been created by the tattoo artist or the parlor,” says entertainment lawyer Jerry Glover of Leavens, Strand, Glover & Adler in Chicago.

Some have worried that all this litigation could result in people having to sign over the rights to their body anytime they are tattooed. But so far the case law has suggested that simply getting a tattoo doesn’t mean the body and its art has to be shrouded whenever a camera is near. Instead, it’s the tattoo design that cannot be misappropriated.

“When you tattoo somebody, what you are giving them is an implied license to live their life,” says professor Yvette Joy Liebesman of Saint Louis University School of Law. “They don’t have to be concerned about the way the tattoo is displayed on themselves. The issue is copying that tattoo on somebody else.”

http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/tattoo_artists_are_asserting_their_copyright_claims/
 

Ns1

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Four years ago, Christopher Escobedo, a tattoo artist in Phoenix, inked a large tattoo of a lion into the ribcage of a mixed martial arts fighter named Carlos Condit. A year later, the fighter and his lion tattoo appeared in the video game UFC Undisputed. Now the tattoo artist is suing the game’s maker, THQ, for copyright infringement. “It’s an exact replica of my art,” says Escobedo. “That’s like a $5,000 tattoo that I got no recognition for.”

Tattoos are a largely uncharted territory in copyright law. “There’s not really been any cases where this has been litigated by courts,” says Timothy Bradley, an intellectual-property lawyer in North Carolina who has written about tattoos and copyright (PDF). Artists have filed suits such as Escobedo’s before, but they have settled before a court could weigh in on tricky questions about what a person is entitled to do with an image stained into his or her skin.

In 2005, Portland artist Matthew Reed sued Nike (NKE), its ad agency Weiden & Kennedy, and NBA player Rasheed Wallace over an advertisement that showed Reed’s rendering of an Egyptian-style family slowly appearing on Wallace’s arm. The two sides settled before the case went to trial. S. Victor Whitmill, the Missouri artist responsible for Mike Tyson’s face tattoo, sued Warner Brothers (TWX) in 2011 over the use of his design in The Hangover Part II. In the movie, a character played by Ed Helms wakes up with a tattoo resembling Tyson’s. Whitmill also settled; Escobedo says he hopes to do the same. (His complaint is now a part of THQ’s bankruptcy proceedings.)

http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/article...-your-tattooed-arms-are-going-to-get-you-sued
 

JSt0rm

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So I guess its the exact recreation of the tattoo as digital asset that is the issue. Carlos condit's tattoo artist isnt suing the ufc everytime he fights because they showed the tattoo. Just as artists aren't suing filmmakers for having the art in their films but would probably sue if a videogame maker recreated the art.
 

Rakehellion

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How could the player not be selling their image when they are literally selling the rights to use their image?

They own the rights to their image. They do not own the rights to someone else's image printed on their body.

Would it also be A-OK to print the tattoo on a T-shirt and sell it for $20 a pop without giving the artist a dime?
 

slag

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Once it's printed on your body, it is part of your body. I don't think legally you could sell rights specifically to that image, but if its part of your body and you have a contract with joe blow game maker that you give them rights to reproduce your likeness, then I see no problems with it.
 

Red Squirrel

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We all know you pirate the fuck out of everything and do so thinking that its because ip laws arent what you demand but this case has nothing to do with ip laws being broken. This guy could bring a lawsuit whenever he wanted.

This does not even have anything to do with pirating. It's basically displaying an art work that was already paid for. If the tatoo artist does not want his art displayed in public, then perhaps he should not tatoo people with it.
 

Ns1

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This does not even have anything to do with pirating. It's basically displaying an art work that was already paid for. If the tatoo artist does not want his art displayed in public, then perhaps he should not tatoo people with it.

This is not about displaying his art in public, this is about another entity using said art and profiting from it.
 

Rakehellion

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Once it's printed on your body, it is part of your body. I don't think legally you could sell rights specifically to that image, but if its part of your body and you have a contract with joe blow game maker that you give them rights to reproduce your likeness, then I see no problems with it.

So if I create a movie starring Shrek it's trademark infringement, unless I also get a tattoo of Shrek on my body?

If the CEO of Electronic Arts gets the NBA logo tattooed on his ass then he can use their trademark without paying them a dime? Maybe he should get Lebron's face tattooed on there too so he doesn't have to pay to use his likeness!
 

BoberFett

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Next we'll have law suits of clothing company's claiming the same thing.

Actually, I don't believe clothing is copyrightable generally speaking. Knockoffs aren't illegal, only trademark can be violated. Make all the copies of high end clothing you want, you just can't use a logo that would fool somebody into thinking they're buying the real thing.
 

BoberFett

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So I guess its the exact recreation of the tattoo as digital asset that is the issue. Carlos condit's tattoo artist isnt suing the ufc everytime he fights because they showed the tattoo. Just as artists aren't suing filmmakers for having the art in their films but would probably sue if a videogame maker recreated the art.

That's the problem though, there's not really any difference between recreating the tattoo in a photo that is sold sell vs recreating it on a 3D model that is sold. I have a hard time believing video game companies recreate every tattoo of every athlete by hand, that would be ridiculous. I have to imagine they're using 3D imaging to create the textures. It's exactly like photography or filmmaking.

If this succeeds, it could open the floodgates for abuse.
 

Rakehellion

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Yet another massive Rakehellion fail.

Are you saying you can get a 24fps image tattooed on your ass?

Are you saying trademarks only apply to specific images and not a likeness, doofus? Just change one pixel of an image and it's legit! Way to go.
 

Red Squirrel

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This is not about displaying his art in public, this is about another entity using said art and profiting from it.

So it's ok in the real world but not ok in the virtual world? Still seems absurd to me. The game is simply trying to represent a real life situation, that real life situation happens to ahve that art in it. What are they suppose to do sensor everything? Nobody is losing money here, this copyright stuff is just so ridiculously absurd. It's basically a form of censorship at this point.
 

Ns1

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What are they suppose to do sensor everything? Nobody is losing money here, this copyright stuff is just so ridiculously absurd.

1) yes, TV shows and Movies already do this (but not for tattoos, which is an interesting point that I did not consider before BoberFett brought it up)

2) seems like the artist lost 1.1 million in potential licensing revenues, which he is now going to court over.
 
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Rakehellion

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So it's ok in the real world but not ok in the virtual world?

It's not ok if you're selling it.

The game is simply trying to represent a real life situation, that real life situation happens to ahve that art in it.

Video games are not real life. They're fabricated situations produced for entertainment.

What are they suppose to do sensor everything?

It isn't censorship. If you want to use someone's artwork, pay them for it. If you don't want to pay, don't use it.
 

Rakehellion

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1) yes, TV shows and Movies already do this (but not for tattoos, which is an interesting point that I did not consider before BoberFett brought it up)

Movies and TV shows aren't required to do this. Their product placement is incidental.
 

Rakehellion

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I can assure you in scripted TV nothing is incidental. Dunno about the reality side but I see TMZ blurring labels and brands all the time.

Right, but that's because their sponsors might be that brand's competitors and it keeps things simpler. And some movies don't hide logos.
 

BoberFett

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Are you saying trademarks only apply to specific images and not a likeness, doofus? Just change one pixel of an image and it's legit! Way to go.

Do you have a clue what you're talking about?

What does trademark law have to do with any of this? Does the basketball player have a tattoo of the tattoo parlor's logo on him?
 

Red Squirrel

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1) yes, TV shows and Movies already do this (but not for tattoos, which is an interesting point that I did not consider before BoberFett brought it up)

2) seems like the artist lost 1.1 million in potential licensing revenues, which he is now going to court over.

lol how? Sounds like a fake money situation to me, I doubt he actually has 1.1 million less than what he had before. That's the issue with this copryight stuff, numbers literally get made up on the spot despite nobody actually losing any real money.
 

Ns1

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lol how? Sounds like a fake money situation to me, I doubt he actually has 1.1 million less than what he had before. That's the issue with this copryight stuff, numbers literally get made up on the spot despite nobody actually losing any real money.

If you could make a 1 million dollar sale, and you no longer can make that sale because the person you were going to make the sale to decided to just use your shit anyway and not pay you, you just lost 1 million dollars.

...and this thread has pretty much reached its natural conclusion for me. Peace y'all.
 
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