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werepossum

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But you are in the pot already. You might not be the top-level in the the bucket that is making 390% on a customer but you sure are in the bucket somewhere. Can't believe you're whining about being classified as the business type you self-admittedly running? A spade is a spade. Period.

Although this has taken an overly long time to come about, reigning in the predatory lending market is good for everyone. Business like yours are just the 21st century equivalent of the loan sharks of the 70's and 80's. Not sure why you're trying so hard to assure everyone you're magically different from all the other short-term lending services. Their core...your core...is built around taking advantage of a consumer. It doesn't matter if the consumer put themselves in their poor position (wanting a new 70" TV while workign at McD's) or if life put them in that position (unexpected car repair with little-to-no savings). I'm all for personal responsibility and people are free to make any bad decision they want...they have to live with that decision. Same goes for you...you can make money however you want just don't whine when you're sandboxed in or regulated for what you really are. I'm sure you'll learn new tricks to stay profitable in that line of work...the successful ones always do.
Sir, you are an idiot, and I say that with all due respect. Nobody owes you a damned thing, so no one offering a loan at any interest rate is taking advantage of a consumer unless the terms are dishonestly presented. Evidently you've never been poor and without recourse to someone in better financial shape, but to someone in that position, a 35% interest rate on a loan too small for any bank to loan is a freakin' gift from Heaven. It can literally mean the difference between keeping your life together and having it destruct into homelessness. It can mean that with a couple months of willing sacrifice, someone doesn't have to tell her child she's too poor to be a cheerleader or a football player. It can mean the difference between showing up for a job interview wearing appropriate business attire or showing up wearing your least stained clothing and best tennis shoes. It can mean the difference between having hot water and trying to spend the winter with your kids showering in cold water until you save enough to buy a new water heater. Even poor people who manage to scrape together a proper emergency fund can be hit with more than they can handle, and frankly, your preferred method of telling them to live with the consequences of their bad decision (which may well be the best automobile they can afford needing tires or repair, or their job moving to China, or their child needing braces) so that no one makes a higher percentage than you prefer is despicable.

And just so you know - since you apparently can't understand it from the very clear language he used - Robert isn't complaining about being regulated. He's complaining about people with your attitude trying to drive him out of business with underhanded pressure on the banks. Pressure they dropped like a hot potato when enough light was shed on their actions.
 

rudeguy

Lifer
Dec 27, 2001
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Explain to an average joe like me what's the difference between payday loans and your services? At a glance I see you two companies in the same boat. You're short-term loans to people with poor credit for higher than normal interest rates (but not astronomical).

but everybody's like gold teeth grey goose dripping in the bathroom blood stains ball gowns trashing the hotel room
 

TwiceOver

Lifer
Dec 20, 2002
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but everybody's like gold teeth grey goose dripping in the bathroom blood stains ball gowns trashing the hotel room

Making millions singing about how she'll never be rich. :thumbsup:

There's a ton of scum-of-the-earth lenders here. I'd be willing to pay another couple percent in taxes to eliminate the video lottery which perpetuates the payday lenders around here.
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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these threads amaze me. some hate something so much they because they think they hurt the poor (well they do in some) they want to stop htem. When in reality that will hurt them also.

They bich about a 35% loan. Why do you think they are getting 35% loans? not because they have good credit and a good risk. They get them because odds are a good portion are going ot default on them.

Now if you stop these business what then? do you think banks are suddenly going ot start offering them good rates (btw who decided what rate is good?)? or do you think the neighborhood drug dealer is going to offer a loan..

it fucking cracks me up
 

highland145

Lifer
Oct 12, 2009
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Sir, you are an idiot, and I say that with all due respect. Nobody owes you a damned thing, so no one offering a loan at any interest rate is taking advantage of a consumer unless the terms are dishonestly presented. Evidently you've never been poor and without recourse to someone in better financial shape, but to someone in that position, a 35% interest rate on a loan too small for any bank to loan is a freakin' gift from Heaven. It can literally mean the difference between keeping your life together and having it destruct into homelessness. It can mean that with a couple months of willing sacrifice, someone doesn't have to tell her child she's too poor to be a cheerleader or a football player. It can mean the difference between showing up for a job interview wearing appropriate business attire or showing up wearing your least stained clothing and best tennis shoes. It can mean the difference between having hot water and trying to spend the winter with your kids showering in cold water until you save enough to buy a new water heater. Even poor people who manage to scrape together a proper emergency fund can be hit with more than they can handle, and frankly, your preferred method of telling them to live with the consequences of their bad decision (which may well be the best automobile they can afford needing tires or repair, or their job moving to China, or their child needing braces) so that no one makes a higher percentage than you prefer is despicable.
Truth speaker.
but everybody's like gold teeth grey goose dripping in the bathroom blood stains ball gowns trashing the hotel room

these threads amaze me. some hate something so much they because they think they hurt the poor (well they do in some) they want to stop htem. When in reality that will hurt them also.

They bich about a 35% loan. Why do you think they are getting 35% loans? not because they have good credit and a good risk. They get them because odds are a good portion are going ot default on them.

Now if you stop these business what then? do you think banks are suddenly going ot start offering them good rates (btw who decided what rate is good?)? or do you think the neighborhood drug dealer is going to offer a loan..

it fucking cracks me up
I'm going to open up a hotdog stand. Your 1st one is free with $300 change. Then you get to buy one from me for $65 for the next 6 months.
 

TheFamilyMan

Golden Member
Mar 18, 2003
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Sir, you are an idiot, and I say that with all due respect. Nobody owes you a damned thing, so no one offering a loan at any interest rate is taking advantage of a consumer unless the terms are dishonestly presented. Evidently you've never been poor and without recourse to someone in better financial shape, but to someone in that position, a 35% interest rate on a loan too small for any bank to loan is a freakin' gift from Heaven. It can literally mean the difference between keeping your life together and having it destruct into homelessness. It can mean that with a couple months of willing sacrifice, someone doesn't have to tell her child she's too poor to be a cheerleader or a football player. It can mean the difference between showing up for a job interview wearing appropriate business attire or showing up wearing your least stained clothing and best tennis shoes. It can mean the difference between having hot water and trying to spend the winter with your kids showering in cold water until you save enough to buy a new water heater. Even poor people who manage to scrape together a proper emergency fund can be hit with more than they can handle, and frankly, your preferred method of telling them to live with the consequences of their bad decision (which may well be the best automobile they can afford needing tires or repair, or their job moving to China, or their child needing braces) so that no one makes a higher percentage than you prefer is despicable.

And just so you know - since you apparently can't understand it from the very clear language he used - Robert isn't complaining about being regulated. He's complaining about people with your attitude trying to drive him out of business with underhanded pressure on the banks. Pressure they dropped like a hot potato when enough light was shed on their actions.

You are a tool. and I say that with very little respect. I've been poor and was approached, and almost fell into, the trap of the short-term lending. Better sense and judgment got the better of me and other means were explored and found. I've been there and almost done that. Please just go read up on the unregulated short-term (payday, 3-mo, 6-mo, otherwise) industry before you spout your drivel. Most short-term lenders make most of their money on the fact that even when information is clear and honestly presented, most of the borrowers don't understand and end up in loan after loan where the amounts get larger and larger. While some short-term loans have a small positive impact on credit scores, many end up costing the borrower and they end up on the negative side of things in the end.

And OP was complaining...he was complaining about being regulated as a short-term lender which is what he is. What he wants is either to be left alone as a tradition lender (which he's not) or have a dissection of the industry into extreme short-term lending (payday loans), a classification that fits his loans, etc etc. No one is trying to drive him out of business...the overall short-term lending industry is predatory by nature and, as such, should be regulated. No, his loans may not be as predatory and damaging in nature as the payday loans, but statistics say there is a damaging effect from his loans nonetheless. Also, as I said in the part you so consciously decided to ignore, "I'm sure you'll (the OP) learn new tricks to stay profitable in that line of work...the successful ones always do (which I presume he is)."

My business is regulated to hell and back by local, state, and governmental entities. When regulations change, we adapt, change, and retool when necessary to stay one step ahead of the marketplace. We don't spend precious time lamenting about it and we sure don't listen to idiots such as yourself bemoaning the poor and disenfranchised. These lenders, the OP included, will do just fine...just in a more regulated environment.
 

highland145

Lifer
Oct 12, 2009
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And OP was complaining...he was complaining about being regulated as a short-term lender which is what he is. What he wants is either to be left alone as a tradition lender (which he's not) or have a dissection of the industry into extreme short-term lending (payday loans), a classification that fits his loans, etc etc. No one is trying to drive him out of business...the overall short-term lending industry is predatory by nature and, as such, should be regulated. No, his loans may not be as predatory and damaging in nature as the payday loans, but statistics say there is a damaging effect from his loans nonetheless. Also, as I said in the part you so consciously decided to ignore, "I'm sure you'll (the OP) learn new tricks to stay profitable in that line of work...the successful ones always do (which I presume he is)."

My business is regulated to hell and back by local, state, and governmental entities. When regulations change, we adapt, change, and retool when necessary to stay one step ahead of the marketplace. We don't spend precious time lamenting about it and we sure don't listen to idiots such as yourself bemoaning the poor and disenfranchised. These lenders, the OP included, will do just fine...just in a more regulated environment.
Are we the same...nope. Ignore what I posted if you like but we're not the same.
Did SC cripple the payday loan business in my state...yes, trying to put them out of business.
Do I think the cfpb could do the same to me that SC did to the paydays.... absolutely.


What is a "traditional" lender and would they lend my customers? Would you lend my customers?

Should my sister be regulated out of her 400% profit?
 

highland145

Lifer
Oct 12, 2009
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First Citizens is VERY conservative. Great bank, though.

Try BB&T, also.
I've known my current banker for 20 years, which means nothing when the fdic is involved. She is hot though. This is small town USA so the bankers move around.

My new answer is to not deposit cash in the business account so I don't get flagged. When I build a surplus, I put it in my personal. Too bad I can't avoid the income tax. The fed is the problem, I should be able to screw them on the tax, right? O.K., not.
 
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highland145

Lifer
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TheFamilyMan

What is a "traditional" lender and would they lend my customers? Would you lend my customers?
 
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Carson Dyle

Diamond Member
Jul 2, 2012
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I'm not sure I've seen it explained exactly what business you're in, but I gather it's short-term consumer loans. Are they completely unsecured, or how exactly does it work?
 

highland145

Lifer
Oct 12, 2009
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What factors determine your interest rates? Local competition for the same customers?
$600 and under is set by the state, somewhere around 35%. Above that I can charge whatever I want as long as it's posted on the wall. That's why the payday/title pawn guys can charge what they do. My rate falls as the loan size increases but it's still not going to drop much under ~30%. Some of my competitors are at 91% on $1K cash out....the underbelly of low finance I mentioned. The customers don't pay attention to the rate. Much like when some go to buy a car, their only concern is what the payment is going to be. Never mind it's for 8 years....
 

Carson Dyle

Diamond Member
Jul 2, 2012
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Interesting business. Do you turn many customers away? If so, based on what, other than instinct? You don't run credit scores or do other kinds of background checks, or do you?
 

highland145

Lifer
Oct 12, 2009
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Interesting business. Do you turn many customers away? If so, based on what, other than instinct? You don't run credit scores or do other kinds of background checks, or do you?
A lot and I use equifax. The 2 basic things are the ability to repay and willingness to repay. The 2nd is the usual reason. I usually ignore medical/credit card/phone/electric collections. I'm specifically looking for credit like mine. Did they repay ABC loans or were they charged off? Or who referred them, children of customers I know, for example.

The county website shows anything that goes through the court system. Traffic tickets to murder charges. So it's a good source for summons, evictions and the like. And it's free.
 
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