During school in Australia, the scoring started at 50. But 50-60 was still an E, a fail. You end up with 50-60 for the year, you're not advancing to the next grade. I don't think anyone ever said "at least he got 50"
No child left behind, etc... even if it means cutting corners.
Sorry, some kids are retarded. They deserve a retarded stamp - not a "special needs stamp". They don't deserve "special treatment" unless by "special treatment" you mean a few hard smackings with a ruler.
And when the parents come by on the one occasion of the year and want to blame the teacher - they are also worthy of a few hard smackings with a ruler.
But retards gonna retard. Keep on with the PC culture. I'm sure it will succeed one of these days with kids and their gender studies degrees. But tell me more while you pour my latte Mr/Ms. Barista.
So because some kids have learning disabilities or just a lower aptitude for learning, they should be physically beaten?
You truly are a piece of shit.
While in college, I took a bunch of education courses with an eye towards possibly getting certified, as a backup. At that time and after, I talked with a bunch of teachers and the stories they told me about how the biggest obstacles to doing their jobs they had were with their own administrators! This was beyond depressing to hear.I was most of the way toward getting an elementary ed degree when I switched gears and went into IT. When I interned and started speaking to teachers, I knew I wouldn't make it...I have a huge problem with asshats in authority and the school system is a giant example of it. Hell I have enough problems dealing with pointy-haired bosses in IT!
The morality of "conservatives" around here is just pathetic.
@Atreus21 - The only reason why he isn't all rapey is because he isn't famous but abortion is horrible.
@imported_tajmahal - Dreams of chucking hand grenades at children.
@s0me0nesmind1 - Children and parents of children with intellectual impairments should be beat.
WTF is wrong with these people?
Or because as is constantly the case with you, you're a fucking moron that doesn't know what you're talking about. Who was it that pushed "No Child Left Behind"? The same group now constantly crying about things being too PC. Hence the irony in your statement, dumbass.
Well that and the fact that you routinely show that you're massively stupid. So go slap yourself with your ruler.
At least you know you'll be safe in a zombie apocalypse. You'd be completely invisible to anyone seeking brains.
Import the Japanese or Korean education model. They are superior in every way to our students and have been for a while.
Import the Japanese or Korean education model. They are superior in every way to our students and have been for a while.
Dead on.
People who lean right will blame this on PC culture while sticking their fingers in their ears screaming lalalalala can't hear you! Then start complaining about snowflakes who call them idiots....complete lack of self awareness.
I've posted it earlier in the thread, the situation in the OP has less to do with the kids, and almost everything to do with admins fudging numbers to look good on apaper and keep funding.
In my area, a public school was failing it's students so miserably that the state actually took over the district based on how poorly the students were doing on tests.
So while Im not a huge fan of standardized testing in general due to the corporate interests involved and how corporate leadership's style the admins have become. I also think that something to measure a baseline of knowledge should be in place.
I also attended a small christian school for 8-12 grade. They certainly passed people who should've failed. They would be required to administer the standardized test now. It wouldn't have gone well. I doubt christian teachings are on the exam. Also noting that IMXP, it was the religious that we're the most up in arms about standardized testing, they knew what it meant for their schools.
So because some kids have learning disabilities or just a lower aptitude for learning, they should be physically beaten?
You truly are a piece of shit.
Its the eternal struggle from two flawed sides that usually work well when in equal amounts.
The Right thinks anyone can do anything if they would just take the initiative and stop being lazy. That means the students that fail did not try hard enough.
The Left thinks anyone can learn anything but are held back from things outside of their control. That means if you can set up a system that is complex enough to deal with those things then there should be no failing kids.
The problem is that neither side will admit that some people cannot succeed. We have tried to build a system where nobody gets left behind. The Left and Right perspective that no child should fail is inherently wrong. They do a good job at trying to motivate (Right) and reduce barriers to learning (Left), but both sides cannot admit that trying to cater to the bottom hurts the remaining 90% or so of the other students.
It's worse than that, this isn't parent apathy. This is parental demand that their snowflakes are special and any system that does not pass them is automatically to blame. If parents see that their kids last four projects were not even turned in it's not the kids fault for being lazy and it's not the parents fault for being busy. It's the teachers fault because their kids are not getting the attention they need. And it's the schools fault for not supervising the teacher. And it's the districts fault for not overseeing the school. And it's the states fault for allowing a rogue district to exist in the first place. It's the fault of anyone else and everyone else, just not them or their shithead kids.
I agree that one of the biggest problems is admitting that people WILL fail when it comes to academics. Instead of looking down upon them like they can't succeed, I think a better program would be to institute something where they transition to learning that encompasses trade skills. Something like that would give them better hope for a path forward instead of trying to shovel things down their throat that they clearly aren't meant to be able to perform.
There is close to about 10% of the population that no matter what you try to train them on, they will not be productive enough to support themselves. I agree that we should have other paths for students, but, that wont be a solution for that group at the bottom.
You really think there is 10% that can't be productive at anything? I kinda disagree, I think everyone has something that they are good at. Everyone had some kind of hobby at some point right?
E.g. Someone might suck at academics - but they love racing and have gotten into messing with cars. Obvious transition to something mechanic related. Put them up in a trade-school where they teach hands-on stuff with cars and car parts?
You really think there is 10% that can't be productive at anything? I kinda disagree, I think everyone has something that they are good at. Everyone had some kind of hobby at some point right?
E.g. Someone might suck at academics - but they love racing and have gotten into messing with cars. Obvious transition to something mechanic related. Put them up in a trade-school where they teach hands-on stuff with cars and car parts?
Jordan Peterson did a good video on this.
A portion of the population, I can't remember how much, has an IQ that is too low for the US Military to employ.
In other words.... The US Military has determined that the minimum IQ that you need to be able to anything USEFUL for the military is 83. Below that, they will not let you load ammunition, drive tanks, or hold a rifle.
Something like 10% or maybe more of the population has an IQ below 83.
See the problem?
What a lot of you here aren't realizing is how much funding is tied to performance. When the schools under-perform they're often at risk of losing funding. This applies significant pressure on manipulating results to be a diploma factory over teaching. You could fill a library with all the valid criticisms against administrators, teachers, unions, BOEs, legislators, etc., but no matter what approach you take cutting funding is not going to right the ship of a failing school.
That is because you are someone from the Right.
The armed forces have a test that is a rough proxy for IQ. They try to keep out the lower 10% of test takers. That equates to an IQ text that disqualifies around 10% of the population. That means that the armed forces think that they cant find any useful job for you to do when your IQ is that low.
It does not mean that people cannot do things, it just means that they are not likely to be productive enough to support themselves given our world. The modern economy means those people compete against automation. There are either no jobs, or, the jobs that are out there will not pay enough to support these people.
Ok but how exactly does IQ relate to productivity? Your ability to repeat a task doesn't sound like IQ to me. I don't see what that has to do with being on the right. I'm not saying "these stupid lazy low IQ people need to pick themselves up by the bootstraps and be successful" I'm simply asking what does an IQ have to do with general labor? I don't expect them to be a foremen or manager, but if it is a repetitive task, I feel they are capable no?
Jordan Peterson did a good video on this.
A portion of the population, I can't remember how much, has an IQ that is too low for the US Military to employ.
In other words.... The US Military has determined that the minimum IQ that you need to be able to anything USEFUL for the military is 83. Below that, they will not let you load ammunition, drive tanks, or hold a rifle.
Something like 10% or maybe more of the population has an IQ below 83.
See the problem?
IQ is the best predictor for income by far. Higher IQ, better job. Lower IQ, lower job.
IQ takes into account your ability to remember instructions and steps. If you presume anyone can learn a repetitive task as a route to a productive job that has the assumption someone could learn, and that there is a job for that. A, people may not be able to, and B automation may have already taken that job away.
So what's the answer then? Because if I'm on the right and saying "Most of those people are capable of doing something productive in their life such as digging holes, fixing cars, garbage pickup, package delivery" does that mean the left's answer is "Sorry, there is no hope for you, you're screwed" ?
So what's the answer then? Because if I'm on the right and saying "Most of those people are capable of doing something productive in their life such as digging holes, fixing cars, garbage pickup, package delivery" does that mean the left's answer is "Sorry, there is no hope for you, you're screwed" ?