Teachers Facebook creepin'

[Savij]

Originally posted by: Polish3d

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Polish3d

Originally posted by: moshquerade
If you put it out there it's public domain.

I disagree with that. It's publicly accessible, but so is my bedroom window with a telescope if one is so inclined to put forth EFFORT to do so. It's not like student's profiles plop down on the professor's homepage, they have to make a point of searching out their students and browsing around their pages; it's inappropriate. I shouldn't have to hide my profile to keep profs from snooping into my personal life

so not the same.

all you have to do is click and you can read someone's personal info and see pictures they've chosen to make public.

the telescope through a bedroom window could get you arrested.

sure, no one likes to have certain things about themselves revealed to their parents, their minister, their teachers/professors. some things are private. so why not keep them private online too?

That's not the case; in order to find someone's profile on FB, you need their first and last name, you have to type it in, and once you've found it, you then can start browsing around.

It's less invasive than setting up a telescope and peering through someone's window, but there are similarities in the sense that just because something is possible to view, doesn't mean it's appropriate to do so, particularly when one must expend effort to do so.

Listen: You've set up a public profile and are complaining about the public browsing it. What do you expect us to say?

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Polish3d

Originally posted by: moshquerade
If you put it out there it's public domain.

I disagree with that. It's publicly accessible, but so is my bedroom window with a telescope if one is so inclined to put forth EFFORT to do so. It's not like student's profiles plop down on the professor's homepage, they have to make a point of searching out their students and browsing around their pages; it's inappropriate. I shouldn't have to hide my profile to keep profs from snooping into my personal life

This isn't your bedroom window. It's a public forum that allows you a degree of control over your privacy. You are choosing not to use the tools they provide. You can't have both the publicity of a public profile and privacy. You can choose to either whisper to your friends or shout to the entire world. You've chosen not to keep your voice down.

Facebook is NOT a public forum in the sense that you're characterizing it as. It is not a forum such as this where a person's postings are presented to anyone who happens to looking at the forum as a whole.

In order to browse someone's profile, a person must take deliberate action to procure their full name, find their profile, click on it, click through it, and so forth.

This is not a case where my information is crossing their field of perception at no action of their own (which is what the "shout to the whole world" example would consist of), my profile is completely private until someone makes a point of searching it out and clicking through it.

I am not presenting the information to them. They are making an effort to procure it.

 

[Swag1138]

Originally posted by: Polish3d
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That's not the case; in order to find someone's profile on FB, you need their first and last name, you have to type it in, and once you've found it, you then can start browsing around.

It's less invasive than setting up a telescope and peering through someone's window, but there are similarities in the sense that just because something is possible to view, doesn't mean it's appropriate to do so, particularly when one must expend effort to do so.

What you're missing here is that when you put anything up on the internet, it's called publishing. As in a book or a magazine. If you don't make it private, then you are essentially placing your own article about yourself in a magazine that anyone with internet access can read. If you don't make it private, then no boundaries are crossed when someone reads it, wether you want them to or not.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Polish3d

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Polish3d

Originally posted by: moshquerade
If you put it out there it's public domain.

I disagree with that. It's publicly accessible, but so is my bedroom window with a telescope if one is so inclined to put forth EFFORT to do so. It's not like student's profiles plop down on the professor's homepage, they have to make a point of searching out their students and browsing around their pages; it's inappropriate. I shouldn't have to hide my profile to keep profs from snooping into my personal life

This isn't your bedroom window. It's a public forum that allows you a degree of control over your privacy. You are choosing not to use the tools they provide. You can't have both the publicity of a public profile and privacy. You can choose to either whisper to your friends or shout to the entire world. You've chosen not to keep your voice down.

Facebook is NOT a public forum in the sense that you're characterizing it as. It is not a forum such as this where a person's postings are presented to anyone who happens to looking at the forum as a whole.

In order to browse someone's profile, a person must take deliberate action to procure their full name, find their profile, click on it, click through it, and so forth.

This is not a case where my information is crossing their field of perception at no action of their own (which is what the "shout to the whole world" example would consist of), my profile is completely private until someone makes a point of searching it out and clicking through it.

I am not presenting the information to them. They are making an effort to procure it.

Why are we still talking about this? Make your profile private and stop whining.

 

[Savij]

Originally posted by: Polish3d

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Polish3d

Originally posted by: moshquerade
If you put it out there it's public domain.

I disagree with that. It's publicly accessible, but so is my bedroom window with a telescope if one is so inclined to put forth EFFORT to do so. It's not like student's profiles plop down on the professor's homepage, they have to make a point of searching out their students and browsing around their pages; it's inappropriate. I shouldn't have to hide my profile to keep profs from snooping into my personal life

This isn't your bedroom window. It's a public forum that allows you a degree of control over your privacy. You are choosing not to use the tools they provide. You can't have both the publicity of a public profile and privacy. You can choose to either whisper to your friends or shout to the entire world. You've chosen not to keep your voice down.

Facebook is NOT a public forum in the sense that you're characterizing it as. It is not a forum such as this where a person's postings are presented to anyone who happens to looking at the forum as a whole.

In order to browse someone's profile, a person must take deliberate action to procure their full name, find their profile, click on it, click through it, and so forth.

This is not a case where my information is crossing their field of perception at no action of their own (which is what the "shout to the whole world" example would consist of), my profile is completely private until someone makes a point of searching it out and clicking through it.

I am not presenting the information to them. They are making an effort to procure it.

Either change your settings or get used to it. Welcome to life.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Polish3d

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Polish3d

Originally posted by: moshquerade
If you put it out there it's public domain.

I disagree with that. It's publicly accessible, but so is my bedroom window with a telescope if one is so inclined to put forth EFFORT to do so. It's not like student's profiles plop down on the professor's homepage, they have to make a point of searching out their students and browsing around their pages; it's inappropriate. I shouldn't have to hide my profile to keep profs from snooping into my personal life

so not the same.

all you have to do is click and you can read someone's personal info and see pictures they've chosen to make public.

the telescope through a bedroom window could get you arrested.

sure, no one likes to have certain things about themselves revealed to their parents, their minister, their teachers/professors. some things are private. so why not keep them private online too?

That's not the case; in order to find someone's profile on FB, you need their first and last name, you have to type it in, and once you've found it, you then can start browsing around.

It's less invasive than setting up a telescope and peering through someone's window, but there are similarities in the sense that just because something is possible to view, doesn't mean it's appropriate to do so, particularly when one must expend effort to do so.

Listen: You've set up a public profile and are complaining about the public browsing it. What do you expect us to say?

You're free to say anything you wish of course, but I disagree with the idea that it's somehow acceptable for a professor in a position of authority to make a point of digging into students' personal lives.

 

[Savij]

Originally posted by: Polish3d

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Polish3d

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Polish3d

Originally posted by: moshquerade
If you put it out there it's public domain.

I disagree with that. It's publicly accessible, but so is my bedroom window with a telescope if one is so inclined to put forth EFFORT to do so. It's not like student's profiles plop down on the professor's homepage, they have to make a point of searching out their students and browsing around their pages; it's inappropriate. I shouldn't have to hide my profile to keep profs from snooping into my personal life

so not the same.

all you have to do is click and you can read someone's personal info and see pictures they've chosen to make public.

the telescope through a bedroom window could get you arrested.

sure, no one likes to have certain things about themselves revealed to their parents, their minister, their teachers/professors. some things are private. so why not keep them private online too?

That's not the case; in order to find someone's profile on FB, you need their first and last name, you have to type it in, and once you've found it, you then can start browsing around.

It's less invasive than setting up a telescope and peering through someone's window, but there are similarities in the sense that just because something is possible to view, doesn't mean it's appropriate to do so, particularly when one must expend effort to do so.

Listen: You've set up a public profile and are complaining about the public browsing it. What do you expect us to say?

You're free to say anything you wish of course, but I disagree with the idea that it's somehow acceptable for a professor in a position of authority to make a point of digging into students' personal lives.

Once again, welcome to life. It doesn't get any better.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: Polish3d

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Polish3d

Originally posted by: moshquerade
If you put it out there it's public domain.

I disagree with that. It's publicly accessible, but so is my bedroom window with a telescope if one is so inclined to put forth EFFORT to do so. It's not like student's profiles plop down on the professor's homepage, they have to make a point of searching out their students and browsing around their pages; it's inappropriate. I shouldn't have to hide my profile to keep profs from snooping into my personal life

so not the same.

all you have to do is click and you can read someone's personal info and see pictures they've chosen to make public.

the telescope through a bedroom window could get you arrested.

sure, no one likes to have certain things about themselves revealed to their parents, their minister, their teachers/professors. some things are private. so why not keep them private online too?

That's not the case; in order to find someone's profile on FB, you need their first and last name, you have to type it in, and once you've found it, you then can start browsing around.

It's less invasive than setting up a telescope and peering through someone's window, but there are similarities in the sense that just because something is possible to view, doesn't mean it's appropriate to do so, particularly when one must expend effort to do so.

I don't feel that to be a sound analogy at all. Facebook is a social networking site; the entire purpose is to place information in a publicly-viewable atmosphere. You are then able to individualize your settings and control just how wide open that "publicly" qualifier is.

Your bedroom, on the other hand, is in no way a public place, nor is it setup with the expectation that others will see it. The only similarity is that you have full control over who can view your bedroom (via choosing whom you admit into your home, and how thick you decide on your blinds/curtains being), just as you have full control over your facebook profile's availability.

And, for the record, yes, I am an instructor. But no, I do not attempt to view my students' facebook pages. I hardly ever even check my own. Would I consider it a bit odd that a professor would choose to actively seek out the profiles of his/her students? Possibly, depending on the situation. But it is, in my opinion, not globally inappropriate.

 

[nublikescake]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: moshquerade
If you put it out there it's public domain.

That's my philosophy on ota signals too, satellite and wifi.

Aren't you a happy camper?

 

[Born2bwire]

1. Change your privacy settings or stop putting personal info into the public domain.
2. Cry some more.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: Polish3d

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Polish3d

Originally posted by: moshquerade
If you put it out there it's public domain.

I disagree with that. It's publicly accessible, but so is my bedroom window with a telescope if one is so inclined to put forth EFFORT to do so. It's not like student's profiles plop down on the professor's homepage, they have to make a point of searching out their students and browsing around their pages; it's inappropriate. I shouldn't have to hide my profile to keep profs from snooping into my personal life

so not the same.

all you have to do is click and you can read someone's personal info and see pictures they've chosen to make public.

the telescope through a bedroom window could get you arrested.

sure, no one likes to have certain things about themselves revealed to their parents, their minister, their teachers/professors. some things are private. so why not keep them private online too?

That's not the case; in order to find someone's profile on FB, you need their first and last name, you have to type it in, and once you've found it, you then can start browsing around.

It's less invasive than setting up a telescope and peering through someone's window, but there are similarities in the sense that just because something is possible to view, doesn't mean it's appropriate to do so, particularly when one must expend effort to do so.

I don't feel that to be a sound analogy at all. Facebook is a social networking site; the entire purpose is to place information in a publicly-viewable atmosphere. You are then able to individualize your settings and control just how wide open that "publicly" qualifier is.

Your bedroom, on the other hand, is in no way a public place, nor is it setup with the expectation that others will see it. The only similarity is that you have full control over who can view your bedroom (via choosing whom you admit into your home, and how thick you decide on your blinds/curtains being), just as you have full control over your facebook profile's availability.

And, for the record, yes, I am an instructor. But no, I do not attempt to view my students' facebook pages. I hardly ever even check my own. Would I consider it a bit odd that a professor would choose to actively seek out the profiles of his/her students? Possibly, depending on the situation. But it is, in my opinion, not globally inappropriate.

And again, I think people are over-stating the "public forum" aspect of Facebook. Facebook allows you to put a profile up for social networking, but it does not present that information to others in a public way; people have to take action which first involves the procuring of personal information (first & last name) and then several subsequent deliberate steps in order to access further information. It may be information which can be accessed from a public place (in the same way that the going ons of a person's home can be viewed through a window from a public street, once their address has been obtained), but it is not information which is presented to individuals independent of any action to obtain it.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Polish3d

Originally posted by: Savij

Originally posted by: Polish3d

Originally posted by: moshquerade
If you put it out there it's public domain.

I disagree with that. It's publicly accessible, but so is my bedroom window with a telescope if one is so inclined to put forth EFFORT to do so. It's not like student's profiles plop down on the professor's homepage, they have to make a point of searching out their students and browsing around their pages; it's inappropriate. I shouldn't have to hide my profile to keep profs from snooping into my personal life

This isn't your bedroom window. It's a public forum that allows you a degree of control over your privacy. You are choosing not to use the tools they provide. You can't have both the publicity of a public profile and privacy. You can choose to either whisper to your friends or shout to the entire world. You've chosen not to keep your voice down.

Facebook is NOT a public forum in the sense that you're characterizing it as. It is not a forum such as this where a person's postings are presented to anyone who happens to looking at the forum as a whole.

In order to browse someone's profile, a person must take deliberate action to procure their full name, find their profile, click on it, click through it, and so forth.

This is not a case where my information is crossing their field of perception at no action of their own (which is what the "shout to the whole world" example would consist of), my profile is completely private until someone makes a point of searching it out and clicking through it.

I am not presenting the information to them. They are making an effort to procure it.

First of all, I glance at my facebook crap about once a week, if that. I'm hardly an expert in navigating through all the facebook crap, but I do know these few things:
1. You don't need the person's name. You can simply search by the school & class year.
2. If your profile is set to "private", then it's just that: private, unless you make it public to certain groups of people.
3. Who cares? Are you afraid because you have incriminating stuff on your facebook? Here's a big tip: you'll be graduating within a couple years. A *LOT* of people looking to hire you are also going to check into your online persona to the extent that they can quickly and easily. When they make their short list of 4 or 5 names, they're going hop online for a few minutes & search for those profiles on facebook, myspace, and myyearbook.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Polish3d

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: Polish3d

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Polish3d

Originally posted by: moshquerade
If you put it out there it's public domain.

I disagree with that. It's publicly accessible, but so is my bedroom window with a telescope if one is so inclined to put forth EFFORT to do so. It's not like student's profiles plop down on the professor's homepage, they have to make a point of searching out their students and browsing around their pages; it's inappropriate. I shouldn't have to hide my profile to keep profs from snooping into my personal life

so not the same.

all you have to do is click and you can read someone's personal info and see pictures they've chosen to make public.

the telescope through a bedroom window could get you arrested.

sure, no one likes to have certain things about themselves revealed to their parents, their minister, their teachers/professors. some things are private. so why not keep them private online too?

That's not the case; in order to find someone's profile on FB, you need their first and last name, you have to type it in, and once you've found it, you then can start browsing around.

It's less invasive than setting up a telescope and peering through someone's window, but there are similarities in the sense that just because something is possible to view, doesn't mean it's appropriate to do so, particularly when one must expend effort to do so.

I don't feel that to be a sound analogy at all. Facebook is a social networking site; the entire purpose is to place information in a publicly-viewable atmosphere. You are then able to individualize your settings and control just how wide open that "publicly" qualifier is.

Your bedroom, on the other hand, is in no way a public place, nor is it setup with the expectation that others will see it. The only similarity is that you have full control over who can view your bedroom (via choosing whom you admit into your home, and how thick you decide on your blinds/curtains being), just as you have full control over your facebook profile's availability.

And, for the record, yes, I am an instructor. But no, I do not attempt to view my students' facebook pages. I hardly ever even check my own. Would I consider it a bit odd that a professor would choose to actively seek out the profiles of his/her students? Possibly, depending on the situation. But it is, in my opinion, not globally inappropriate.

And again, I think people are over-stating the "public forum" aspect of Facebook. Facebook allows you to put a profile up for social networking, but it does not present that information to others in a public way; people have to take action which first involves the procuring of personal information (first & last name) and then several subsequent deliberate steps in order to access that information.

Originally posted by: mugs
Why are we still talking about this? Make your profile private and stop whining.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: Polish3d

And again, I think people are over-stating the "public forum" aspect of Facebook. Facebook allows you to put a profile up for social networking, but it does not present that information to others in a public way; people have to take action which first involves the procuring of personal information (first & last name) and then several subsequent deliberate steps in order to access that information. It may be information which can be accessed from a public place (in the same way that the going ons of a person's home can be viewed through a window from a public street, once their address has been obtained), but it is not information which is presented to individuals independent of any action to obtain it.

As others have said, not much active effort is required other than randomly browsing a university's network. At this point, I believe you can even browse by course number/title. It's how I've found friends of mine without knowing the proper spelling of their last names.

All in all, with the way the world is now, you simply HAVE to assume that if you put something online, other people will see it. Whether it's appropriate or not, it WILL happen. When in doubt, err on the side of caution. Only put up that information which you would not mind being seen by a professor, boss, significant other, or parent.

 

[nageov3t]

if you don't set your blog to private/friends-only/whatever, you've got no place to complain if people read it imo

 

[Swag1138]

Putting anything online is putting it out there for everyone to see. You are making an effort to have that information out in public. To use your window analogy, it's like you putting a display in a stores window to get out information about yourself. Whether you intend this information strictly for your friends or not, unless you make it private everyone in the world can see it. Regardless of wether it is appropriate or not, you shoulder all the blame of anyone seeing something you didn't want them to because YOU made the effort to make it viewable.

 

[darkswordsman17]

So did the OP ever actually say how he knew professors were looking at his page? I'm sorry, but I couldn't get past the "I'm too stupid to understand that the Internet is not private at all, but even so I can't understand basic privacy settings, so instead I'm going to go whine and pretend that I'm creeped out by people viewing my shit when chances are I'm into voyeurism and did it on purpose." You're like the girls who dress and act like sluts but then get offended when people treat them like one.

 

[Ruptga]

Originally posted by: Savij
Adjust your privacy settings, dumbass.

Edit: What did you say about your prof?

what he said. And I don't accept any profs as facebook friends unless I want them to be able to look at everything I say and do on there

 

[Ruptga]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Polish3d
What do you guys think about professors who read visit their student's facebook pages, and in some cases, browse them to a fair degree of depth?

I personally find it very inappropriate, and a tad creepy

Facebook pages are private by default. If you make it public, then no it's not inappropriate or creepy for someone to read it.

by default they're open to people on your network (iirc) and in any case that's what most people have it set to, even if that isn't the default

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
So did the OP ever actually say how he knew professors were looking at his page? I'm sorry, but I couldn't get past the "I'm too stupid to understand that the Internet is not private at all, but even so I can't understand basic privacy settings, so instead I'm going to go whine and pretend that I'm creeped out by people viewing my shit when chances are I'm into voyeurism and did it on purpose." You're like the girls who dress and act like sluts but then get offended when people treat them like one.

This thread is a great example of why computer hobbyists have a reputation for failure at social interaction. The bitterness, sniping and leaping at any opportunity to cut others down, generally through use of unwarranted assumptions is ridiculously bad when contrasted with how socially effective humans behave.

I'm not going to go into the specifics, mainly because I believe as already stated that just because it is possible to do something does not make it always acceptable for it to be done.

This was the point originated in the OP, the issue of setting the profile to private to prevent (what is IMO) misuse is a separate one.

Though it may be a reality that teachers will browse around their students' out-of-class lives by making a point of searching out and accessing their Facebook profiles, it doesn't make it an acceptable practice.

 

[rocadelpunk]

how's it feel up there on your cloud of judgement?

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: Polish3d

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
So did the OP ever actually say how he knew professors were looking at his page? I'm sorry, but I couldn't get past the "I'm too stupid to understand that the Internet is not private at all, but even so I can't understand basic privacy settings, so instead I'm going to go whine and pretend that I'm creeped out by people viewing my shit when chances are I'm into voyeurism and did it on purpose." You're like the girls who dress and act like sluts but then get offended when people treat them like one.

This thread is a great example of why computer hobbyists have a reputation for failure at social interaction. The bitterness, sniping and leaping at any opportunity to cut others down, generally through use of unwarranted assumptions is ridiculously bad when contrasted to how socially effective humans behave.

I'm not going to go into the specifics, mainly because I believe as already stated that just because it is possible to do something does not make it always acceptable for it to be done.

This was the point originated in the OP, the issue of setting the profile to private to prevent (what is IMO) misuse is a seperate one.

Though it may be a reality that teachers will browse around their students' out-of-class lives by making a point of searching out and accessing their Facebook profiles, it doesn't make it an acceptable practice.

What you're saying is akin to getting angry at someone for watching you or eavesdropping in public. Sure it makes you uncomfortable, but its not illegal and there's absolutely no reason for you to think so. Since you're clearly not understanding this. The Internet is not private. At all.

Also, plenty of students use bullshit excuses to try and get out of things, so I think its fair for the professors to check up on them (not to mention many students cheat on school related things using Facebook). Let me guess you don't like that employers browse social networking sites and Google to check on employees (especially potential employees)?

As for you babbling about people's reactions, if you're going to make a fool of yourself you should expect people to call you one. I love your lamedick attempt at saying its due to social ineptitude of computer nerds though.

 

[Polish3d]

Your post might be worth taking seriously if you first had a grasp of what I said before responding to it. I never said anything about illegality or anything remotely close to it.

Employers browsing Facebook is a less questionable practice.

And yes, your posts and the posts of others here are legitimate examples of poor social skills. You choose extreme negative over neutral or helpful responses, and there is an eagerness to tear others down here that is not typical to the way in which people who are generally positive behave; people who are genuinely confident do not make it a point to go around sniping at other people, and people are naturally repulsed by those who engage in such behavior.

 

[dighn]

You made an active effort to expose a part of your personal life on the internet. How you think that information should be accessed is irrelevant because 1. you had a choice to not publish it in the first place 2. you can easily adjust your settings to prevent unwanted access. However you refuse to take actions, and instead expect others to behave in a manner that you think is acceptable, when it's obvious that your expectations are considered unrealistic by almost all the posters in this thread. The consensus is, if you make something publicly accessible and refuse to hide it, then obviously you don't mind it being accessed. You were saying something about being socially effective? How about not being so self-centered and trying to force your arbitrary expectations on others?

 

[Polish3d]

You are saying it's irrelevant, but I'm saying it isn't.

In this case my expectations are not unreasonable. Despite the continued arguments vaguely citing "public domain," the issue of whether or not it is actually appropriate for a professor to make it a point to search out their students' profiles and browse around their personal, out-of-class lives has not been touched on much in this thread, despite the fact that it was the actual topic in the OP.

I do expect that a professor ought to recognize the inappropriateness of such action in general